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Why chould the name be changed in "American " Camino.
I was a little amazed to read that he, as a Puritan, attended High Mass in Leon Cathedral on the Feast of Epiphany (6 Jan) and described how everyone kneeled at one point but he refused to do so and just bowed and mocked the (assumed) reaction of the bishop.
I do not know if this will show, but it is the statue of John Adams in Bilbao.
Hahaha, so are we. Seems like after all this years the issue didn't changeAlso of note. In his writings on his journey John Adams complained loudly about the bedbugs lol
It should also be noted that when John Adams arrived in France, there to solicit France's support for the new republic, the French were incredulous that Adams didn't speak French! I imagine it might be a similar experience for me as I possibly embark on the Geneva to SJPP route.
Small points, his pilgrimage was towards political support and money, his criticism of the Catholic Church palpable and he regretted never having visited San Diago, though the history is wonderfully fascinating and worth more general interest and kudos. Notwithstanding it may have some value and meaning for many American pilgrims. Thanks for this thread everyone.I have read this thread with interest. My two-cents worth is that "construction" of a "Camino Americano" might be feasible if the route mentioned above were REVERSED so that the beginning was in Paris, let's state Notre Dame for consistency, and so that the end point was Santiago. There would have to be historically based alternative starting points, so that folks not having two months or more to walk from Paris could still do this route.
For a Camino to be part of the Camino de Santiago "network," per se, the end must be at the Apostle's tomb, the Cathedral. The "official" marker designating the end point is at the center of Plaza Obradoiro, immediately in front of the Cathedral. Still, this route has significant political and historical value, mostly to US citizens.
All in all, it might be interesting to cobble this route together using a combination of French routes Grand Randonee (GR) and the various established routes already acknowledged as being part of the Camino de Santiago system or network of routes, all terminating at Santiago.
I hope this helps.
Please stay on topic and try not to stray into politics.
The American Camino should be from Finisterra following the Camino backwards through Spain and France to Paris. This is the route that future President John Adams took at the height of the War of Independence. His desperate, amazing journey was to seek help from the French king and his success marked a turning point in the war that created the new nation of the USA.
Thank you for correcting this. Before I posted, I had seen that John Adams was a Congregationalist or a Unitarian during his life but coming from a cultural background that, for centuries, knew only Catholics and Protestants (called Lutherans, Calvinists, Huguenots, Protestants, Evangelicals etc, depending on the country and the language), I had assumed that Puritan was good enough to characterize him as a non-Catholic ChristianJohn Adams came from a long line of Puritans, but he was not a "Puritan" himself. He was a Unitarian, a son of the Enlightenment.
That's an interesting way of putting it and helps me to better understand some of the discussions I had followed earlier. Again, my cultural background is such that I found it a bit unusual for the late 1700s. Although I don't really know much about the situation in the majority of European countries, my feeling is that Catholics and Protestants (in the generic sense) kept pretty much strictly separate throughout the centuries - when they weren't killing each other for mainly politico-soci0-economic reasons in the name of religion - and this changed only in the 1960s perhaps with the ecumenical movement.This included feeling free to attend services of other faith groups.
... the only semi-religious-inspired effort to develop something similar to the Camino de Santiago in the US is a California-based effort to link the Spanish-developed chain of 16th century Spanish missions in Southern California...
Chimayo is a 30 mile pilgrimage from Santa Fe, New Mexico to a chapel outside the city. I haven't done it yet so would be interested to hear if anyone else has. It has the added benefit of starting in Santa Fe, a gem of a town filled with art, food and history.
WinterPilgrim.blogspot.com walked a route from St Louis to Chimayo. Her blog makes great late night reading.
http://www.elsantuariodechimayo.us/Santuario/PilgrimChild.html
Thank you T2andreo for your note and thank you for your leadership. The trail is El Camino Real, covering 21 missions [in California]. The southern terminus is Mission San Diego de Alcala [in San Diego, about 1 mile from where I used to work] and the northern terminus is Mission San Francisco Solano de Sonoma [north of San Francisco]. Most of the original camino is now covered by highways and the caminantes must "adapt, improvise, and overcome" to complete this camino. I know of a [basic] guide for this camino, written by Ron Briery [ link: https://tinyurl.com/ycjv8zjk ] and I have read about caminantes completing this camino. In my opinion, this is a good camino for American history aficionados [it is in my bucket list]. Buena suerte, y que la luz de Dios alumbre su camino.. . . As far as I know, the only semi-religious-inspired effort to develop something similar to the Camino de Santiago in the US is a California-based effort to link the Spanish-developed chain of 16th century Spanish missions in Southern California, from the Mexican border near San Diego, North to about San Francisco . . .
John Adams was not on pilgrimage-- he was inconveniently shipwrecked and just trying to get to his destination. Hence the grumbling. Pertinent point.The American Camino should be from Finisterra following the Camino backwards through Spain and France to Paris. This is the route that future President John Adams took at the height of the War of Independence. His desperate, amazing journey was to seek help from the French king and his success marked a turning point in the war that created the new nation of the USA.
That's because you won the last tussle with the USA. The score, I believe, was 18 - 12?LOL, notice how us Canadians are keeping out of this one?
You've never been to Normandy then Doug?I would have thought that there were many spiritually significant places in the Americas that would be candidates for an 'American Pilgrimage', and no need to have such a thing in Europe. Besides, an American pilgrimage to Paris seems rather passe - perhaps an idea a little past its prime!
I have more interest in the battlefields where Australian troops were engaged. I would rather satisfy my interest in seeing them first.You've never been to Normandy then Doug?
I think we need to be very careful extending this line of thinking. The forum has been a discussion place for many pilgrimage routes leading to 'classic' Christian destinations in Europe as well as non-Christian pilgrimages and modern pilgrimage routes such as those that have emerged in Canada and Australia. This inclusive practice is, to my mind, one of the strengths of our community.However, and ''this is where I fear we stray in the forum, is when we conflate a visit to an honored location, religious or not, with the Camino de Santiago. Let us try to keep separate the walking, cycling pilgrimage of at least the final 100/200 kilometers to the tomb of the Apostle Saint James, at Santiago de Compostela, from other pursuits. No matter how worthy they may be, they are not (at least IMHO) in the same category.
As a matter of fact we do!I would have thought that there were many spiritually significant places in the Americas that would be candidates for an 'American Pilgrimage', and no need to have such a thing in Europe. Besides, an American pilgrimage to Paris seems rather passe - perhaps an idea a little past its prime!
He also followed the current itinerary of the N VI highway from Ponferrada to Astorga, instead of the Camino Frances. John Adams does not provide details but his young son John Quincy had to keep a diary and writes:From Betanzos to O Cebreiro he followed the current itinerary of N VI highway.
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