Rainerbernd
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- Time of past OR future Camino
- On St James ways since 1971
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Does all the junk that gets dumped at Cruz de Ferro end up in a landfill site?
I agree.Perhaps the pilgrim’s credencial should contain a reminder to the bearer to leave no trace.
That's interesting but I fail to see the connection. The mostly rather crude crosses on the Camino Frances appear at some random place (and not at a significant destination) because there happens to be a wire fence and some pieces of wood lying around in that random place and one can see what other people did with the stuff.Kryžių Kalnas (The Hill of Crosses)
...masses of crosses...
Signs for El Camino are beginning to appear in parts of Lithuania. A Camino symbol has been placed outside the information centre at Kryžių Kalnas (The Hill of Crosses)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_of_Crosses
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What an amazing place that is! I had the opportunity to visit it a few years ago and I was left speechless at the time....masses of crosses...
Signs for El Camino are beginning to appear in parts of Lithuania. A Camino symbol has been placed outside the information centre at Kryžių Kalnas (The Hill of Crosses)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_of_Crosses
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Is it fair to call all the burdens and stones left behind at Cruz de Ferro junk? It's one of the most meaningful parts of the Camino for a lot of people and at least it's in the one spot.
It's the symbol of Salvation, mainly, I think? It's odd, I don't quite know why socks and undergarments bother me in this context. Cultural dissonances, no doubt. I can laugh about and love the Life of Brian. Even laughed about some jokes about the concept of the Trinity I once saw in Charlie Hebdo. But I don't know ... I must be taking some of those old symbols I see along the way just way too seriously.…The cross is an instrument of torture. An ill fitting pair of socks can be too. Perhaps the peregrino who fashioned a cross from his socks felt crucified by them....
we are taught, from that cross, devoted a life for HIS love to HIS people, carry your cross to get across on the bridges of problems. it may seems a torture instrument for you but a sacred one for us.cross is an instrument of torture.
i never walk the camino, though just because they didn't left a stone and different as yours, doesn't mean they are junk, maybe same as you that is something they want to let it go?"junk" being left as well.
Yes, very strange indeed. And I'm curious - what was the rest of the plaque? And was any of the graffiti a reaction?The whole thing is a - presumably custom made - ceramic plaque that is permanently fixed low on the front wall of the chapel next to the Cruz de Ferro actually.
...It's the symbol of Salvation, mainly, I think?...
Come on, you didn't understand that I was talking about Christian iconography along the historic ways to the apostle Saint James? It's an interesting topic actually, we wondered about this recently: What do people see along the way, how do they interpret the meaning of what they see, on the portals of Romanesque churches or inside, who are not at all or only vaguely familiar with that background - if they bother to look at it at all? Unfortunately, it's not a topic that is suitable for this forum....Not for everyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion
I think the rest of the plaque was initially empty. The graffiti is not related; graffiti just goes where there is empty space. Someone scribbled 2013 on it and I had a quick look on Google images. Looks like it wasn't there in 2010 for example. I may have been the first person in all these years who noticed and read the text.Yes, very strange indeed. And I'm curious - what was the rest of the plaque? And was any of the graffiti a reaction?
Come on, you didn't understand that I was talking about Christian iconography along the historic ways to the apostle Saint James? It's an interesting topic actually, we wondered about this recently: What do people see along the way, how do they interpret the meaning of what they see, on the portals of Romanesque churches or inside, who are not at all or only vaguely familiar with that background - if they bother to look at it at all? Unfortunately, it's not a topic that is suitable for this forum.
im so sorry!violate the rule
Don't worry, @yaying, it happens to the best of usim so sorry!
That's interesting but I fail to see the connection. The mostly rather crude crosses on the Camino Frances appear at some random place (and not at a significant destination) because there happens to be a wire fence and some pieces of wood lying around in that random place and one can see what other people did with the stuff...
Moving on ... the article mentions the padlocks but not the newest fad: a pair of trainers/sneakers hanging over power lines. I think I've seem at least 3 pairs so far along the Camino Frances. You need to look up to see them. That at least requires some skill if not patience ...
And the similarity is what I can't see. ....
I remember that market at the lighthouse from 2016 but this year early June it was surprisingly quiet. Maybe because of windy and chilly afternoon. No real tourists and maybe 20-30 people on the rocks waiting for sunset. It was nice.Hi Rainer,
I can not believe that people do not learn from these things!
The situation around the lighthouse has imperished the last couple of years.
In June 2007, ending my first camino, I really liked to sit there in the evening and to watch the sunset. In June 2010 it was already much more noisy, people drinking wine from plastic mugs and leaving their trash behind.
Having finished the Via de la Plata I was shocked, to see People who had merely walked the last 100 km to Santiago and then gone to Fisterra by bus, trying to burn their almost new hiking gear. Because of all the plastic it smelled horrible.
In April 2012 they had turned Cabo Finisterre into a market-place with souvenir-Shops and lots of Tourist buses driving the people up there. That was my last visit!
This June, when reaching Fisterra, I refrained from walking to the lighthouse and instead watched the sunset at Praia Mar do Fora (the wild beach). It was a very peaceful atmosphere. I only regret, that I could not convince my italian fellow pilgrims to join me to this place.
BC
Alexandra
I do think these masses of crosses look like a pretty empty gesture to me.
I've seen sneakers on power lines in US cities for decades.Moving on ... the article mentions the padlocks but not the newest fad: a pair of trainers/sneakers hanging over power lines. I think I've seem at least 3 pairs so far along the Camino Frances.
You need to look up to see them.
That at least requires some skill if not patience and perseverance ...
I wonder if it is the difference between the tourist and the Peregrino?There's a linked article about Fisterra particularly, including firemen dealing with the consequences of people burning clothes ...
https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notic...a-manda-cabo-fisterra/0003_201809C18C3994.htm
I've never understood why so many people insist on behaving so selfishly on the Camino.
It's dangerous to post info like this. You might start new old ritualRarely mentioned these days is a pilgrim ritual that has died out, it seems. A pretty old booklet, written in Latin, has this to say in an English translation:
The mountain is eight miles up, and eight miles down the other side, and seems to touch the sky. Climb it and you'll feel you could push the sky with your hand. The view from the summit takes in the Sea of Brittany, the Atlantic Ocean, and three territories: Castille, Aragon and France. On the summit is a place called Charlemagne's Cross, because here Charlemagne, setting out with his armies for Spain, made a track with axes, picks and other digging tools. He first raised a cross and then knelt facing Galicia and poured out prayers to God and St James.And so it's traditional for pilgrims to kneel here facing St. James' homeland and to plant their own crosses. You might find a thousand crosses here, the first station of prayer on the Camino de Santiago.I didn't see a single cross planted near that place. Never saw a photo that would confirm that it is a contemporary ritual. I think people don't do this anymore ...
never been there but wherever its between being respectful or ill-mannered.between the tourist
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