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As I wrote and re-wrote this post in response to your proposal, I found it was difficult to actually be honest and frank without the potential for negative backlash. So I'll just say that I do not like your plan for a host of reasons. Nor do I think it will work out the way you hope it will.
It is my hope that you will reconsider this course of action.
Real and dedicated vegans and vegetarians are as bad as we Jews and our Kosher demands. Almost gone are the days when one might find a bit of chorizo floating in the promised vegetable soup or in Springtime a handfull of snails in your salad it's all fine and good that there are now often vegan/vegetarian items on the menu of many restaurants but those dishes have been prepared with the same knives etc used to slice meat, cooked in the same pan as the meatballs, fried in the same pan as the lomo, food served on the same wooden platter as the pulpo, presented on the same dishes using the same silverware. True many places use dishwashers but they don't always clean good enough, washing by hand with the same sponge/brush for all is also a problem. The only real option is to try and find only vegetarian places, prepare your meals with your own utensils, or to relax your principles. There are possibilities for kosher food in Madrid, Barcelona, Malaga, Girona, Valencia, and Cordoba - all far from the CF.
Itis impossible so I don't even try.You have no idea how many times I have ordered apparent vegetarian food to find a bit of meat in it. Things are not so rosy. I am not a radical vegan, just someone who would like a few more food choice options other than patatas fritas y ensalada sin carne, sin pollo, sin pescado, sin huevos, sin queso.
I would not like to be kosher on the Camino. That must truly be a nightmare, and certainly beyond my limited Spanish.
I'm not radical either, 1946caminoman, and also tire of mediocre salads and fries. But this is Spain, and it's a meat-eating culture, and lots of poeple don't know what vegetarians eat. Trying to change the cuisine is impossible - and so being a little flexible and good-humored about it all goes a long way.I am not a radical vegan, just someone who would like a few more food choice options other than patatas fritas y ensalada sin carne, sin pollo, sin p
@LTfit or any fluent speakers?I'm just curious did you ask in Spanish or English? I think it would be important for future vegans to know this and maybe learn how to ask the question if you did ask it in Spanish. Our OP does not speak Spanish so clarity might help.
Walk in expectation of success, rather than failure. It will make for a much more positive camino experience. Spread the word with a smile
If we do nothing, nothing will change. If you don't like my method, then you are free to suggest a better alternative, and if your method is actually a better alternative, then other vegetarian/ vegan pilgrims will follow your lead. Result! And if I inspire you to action, double result. However, if all you can do is criticise my attempt to make changes without offering up an alternative solution, then all you are bring is a nay-sayer, and that is not helpful at all. If you genuinely want to help, then do!
What you're proposing to do is no better than nothing. If it gets people's backs up it may cause them to be more stuck in their ways, which is worse than doing nothing. Better approaches to persuading a business to change require you to put in an effort commensurate with the change that you're expecting the business to make. For example:If we do nothing, nothing will change. If you don't like my method, then you are free to suggest a better alternative, and if your method is actually a better alternative, then other vegetarian/ vegan pilgrims will follow your lead.
Pilgrimage is about the Camino changing you, not you changing the Camino and everyone else you come into contact with.Next year, when I walk the Camino I am going to carry hundreds of little fliers, which I will give to the owners of every restaurant that does not offer a decent selection of vegetarian and vegan options.
They will be headlined thus: "BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY"
And will read: "Did you know that every year, thousands of vegetarians and vegans walk the Camino? If you do not supply a selection of vegetarian and vegan options on your menu, they will go somewhere else that does. Why lose out? By the way, I am a vegetarian, and as you have no decent vegetarian options I am not eating here"
I will get this text translated into Spanish by a friend (not Google translate).
If every vegetarian or vegan reading this wrote their own version of this, printed out a few hundred copies and distributed them along the way, I bet we would have a significant impact
If we do nothing, nothing will change. If you don't like my method, then you are free to suggest a better alternative, and if your method is actually a better alternative, then other vegetarian/ vegan pilgrims will follow your lead. Result! And if I inspire you to action, double result. However, if all you can do is criticise my attempt to make changes without offering up an alternative solution, then all you are bring is a nay-sayer, and that is not helpful at all. If you genuinely want to help, then do!
You really can’t talk to davebugg like that; he’s a Camino institution and his opinions are generous, thoughtful and much valued. Your suggestion is naive and pretty much guaranteed to generate a fairly strong sense of ill will amongst the Spanish community. Pay close attention to Magwood’s post; it is far and away the most diplomatic approach.
Many of us have taken and actually are following a different and kinder alternative course of action. Magwood, and Ltfit have written articulate posts describing a useful and diplomatic way to ask for what is needed. And that does work.If we do nothing, nothing will change. If you don't like my method, then you are free to suggest a better alternative, and if your method is actually a better alternative, then other vegetarian/ vegan pilgrims will follow your lead. Result! And if I inspire you to action, double result.
I'm not radical either, 1946caminoman, and also tire of mediocre salads and fries. But this is Spain, and it's a meat-eating culture, and lots of poeple don't know what vegetarians eat. Trying to change the cuisine is impossible - and so being a little flexible and good-humored about it all goes a long way.
But asking one-on-one (without demanding) works pretty well, too (usually) in getting a decent vegetarian meal. 'Ayudame por favor' are always the first words - asking for assistance, rather than demanding. And then to be specific about what you don't eat. There are a gazillion kinds of vegetarians ant it can be confusing for those who aren't.@Magwood 's advice above is spot-on. The more we ask directly, the more businesses will figure it out for themselves.
@LTfit or any fluent speakers?
Bound to be a winning idea! I can just imagine the owners of some small, family run restaurants in rural Spain embracing you with open arms as they add quinoa to their menu along with kimchi for their Korean clients, sushi for the Japanese, Surströmming for the Swedes and pierogi for the Poles.Next year, when I walk the Camino I am going to carry hundreds of little fliers, which I will give to the owners of every restaurant that does not offer a decent selection of vegetarian and vegan options.
They will be headlined thus: "BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY"
And will read: "Did you know that every year, thousands of vegetarians and vegans walk the Camino? If you do not supply a selection of vegetarian and vegan options on your menu, they will go somewhere else that does. Why lose out? By the way, I am a vegetarian, and as you have no decent vegetarian options I am not eating here"
I will get this text translated into Spanish by a friend (not Google translate).
If every vegetarian or vegan reading this wrote their own version of this, printed out a few hundred copies and distributed them along the way, I bet we would have a significant impact
I'm sure your intentions are good @1946caminoman but in your posts (to me at least) you come across very much as the radical vegan you claim not to be.
Have you researched the demand for vegetarian/vegan food on the camino? Doing some rough calculations based on nationality demographics of those completing the camino and what the percentages of vegetarians and vegans are in those respective countries I'd be very surprised if more than 3% were vegetarian and 1% vegan, that's not a big market. Furthermore I wouldn't be at all surprised if even among the 300,000+ walking caminos last year the number of vegans failed to number in the thousands as you suggest.
I'm afraid I have to agree with @Raggy above, this just comes off as an entitled rant. Think about your message and your motivation. Maybe a better tack would be to present them with some recipe ideas.
Edit: FYI In Spain according to Wikipedia 1.5% of the population is estimated to be vegetarian and just 0.2% Vegan!
WOW, way to piss of the majority of forum members: have a go at one of the pillars of our "church". Well done man, well done.If we do nothing, nothing will change. If you don't like my method, then you are free to suggest a better alternative, and if your method is actually a better alternative, then other vegetarian/ vegan pilgrims will follow your lead. Result! And if I inspire you to action, double result. However, if all you can do is criticise my attempt to make changes without offering up an alternative solution, then all you are bring is a nay-sayer, and that is not helpful at all. If you genuinely want to help, then do!
1% of 300,000 is 3,000. 3% is 9,000. So yes, thousands
Why?As I wrote and re-wrote this post in response to your proposal, I found it was difficult to actually be honest and frank without the potential for negative backlash. So I'll just say that I do not like your plan for a host of reasons. Nor do I think it will work out the way you hope it will.
It is my hope that you will reconsider this course of action.
WOW, way to piss of the majority of forum members: have a go at one of the pillars of our "church". Well done man, well done.
If we do nothing, nothing will change. If you don't like my method, then you are free to suggest a better alternative, and if your method is actually a better alternative, then other vegetarian/ vegan pilgrims will follow your lead. Result! And if I inspire you to action, double result. However, if all you can do is criticise my attempt to make changes without offering up an alternative solution, then all you are bring is a nay-sayer, and that is not helpful at all. If you genuinely want to help, then do!
I will join with others on the forum who find that the attitude you display in your post will almost assuredly defeat your intentions. Most Spaniards you will meet on the Camino are kindly and generous and want to help you make your pilgrimage. But they are also a proud people in a good way and do not need to be told how to run their lives or businesses by passersby. The advice from others on the forum is the better course— less attitude, more humility, ask for help, and don’t go about change by straightening people out who you have just met.Next year, when I walk the Camino I am going to carry hundreds of little fliers, which I will give to the owners of every restaurant that does not offer a decent selection of vegetarian and vegan options.
They will be headlined thus: "BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY"
And will read: "Did you know that every year, thousands of vegetarians and vegans walk the Camino? If you do not supply a selection of vegetarian and vegan options on your menu, they will go somewhere else that does. Why lose out? By the way, I am a vegetarian, and as you have no decent vegetarian options I am not eating here"
I will get this text translated into Spanish by a friend (not Google translate).
If every vegetarian or vegan reading this wrote their own version of this, printed out a few hundred copies and distributed them along the way, I bet we would have a significant impact
Be sure to visit all the cocido maragato restaurants in Astorga. There are beans and potatoes on the platter.I am going to carry hundreds of little fliers, which I will give to the owners of every restaurant that does not offer a decent selection of vegetarian and vegan options.
I can see it would be frustrating for a vegan to try to find appropriate food. But pilgrims are visitors in Spain. The tendency of anglophones to preach causes backlash in many communities. I would myself find a Spanish vegan group and get their advice before proceeding with letters that might look like outsiders telling the local communities how things ought to be done.Next year, when I walk the Camino I am going to carry hundreds of little fliers, which I will give to the owners of every restaurant that does not offer a decent selection of vegetarian and vegan options.
They will be headlined thus: "BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY"
And will read: "Did you know that every year, thousands of vegetarians and vegans walk the Camino? If you do not supply a selection of vegetarian and vegan options on your menu, they will go somewhere else that does. Why lose out? By the way, I am a vegetarian, and as you have no decent vegetarian options I am not eating here"
I will get this text translated into Spanish by a friend (not Google translate).
If every vegetarian or vegan reading this wrote their own version of this, printed out a few hundred copies and distributed them along the way, I bet we would have a significant impact
Not sure what the significance of these figures is. 0.1% of the Spanish population is Vegan. And apart from UK, no other European population has 3% vegan.1% of 300,000 is 3,000. 3% is 9,000. So yes, thousands
Not sure what the significance of these figures is. 0.1% of the Spanish population is Vegan. And apart from UK, no other European population has 3% vegan.
I will join with others on the forum who find that the attitude you display in your post will almost assuredly defeat your intentions. Most Spaniards you will meet on the Camino are kindly and generous and want to help you make your pilgrimage. But they are also a proud people in a good way and do not need to be told how to run their lives or businesses by passersby. The advice from others on the forum is the better course— less attitude, more humility, ask for help, and don’t go about change by straightening people out who you have just met.
Pragmatically, @1946caminoman , genuine humility just works better. And a superior attitude gets up everyone's noses. Even those of fellow vegetarians and vegans.But people with an attitude of surperioriry, such as what i am picking up from your flyer idea, got old fast.
hahaha! San Dave.WOW, way to piss of the majority of forum members: have a go at one of the pillars of our "church". Well done man, well done.
I love a completely b*ll&cks statistic. So how about 9000 vegan pilgrims per year = 25 vegan pilgrims per day, spread along 34 days of Camino = 0.7 vegan pilgrims per day, shared between lets say an happy estimate of two possible restaurants per location = 0.35 customers per day. If I was striving to keep my bar open and my family employed I'd definitely target that market.1% of 300,000 is 3,000. 3% is 9,000. So yes, thousands
It will backfire on you, guaranteed.
An ex-boss was of the opinion that 85% of statistics are made up on the spot.I love a completely b*ll&cks statistic. So how about 9000 vegan pilgrims per year = 25 vegan pilgrims per day, spread along 34 days of Camino = 0.7 vegan pilgrims per day, shared between lets say an happy estimate of two possible restaurants per location = 0.35 customers per day. If I was striving to keep my bar open and my family employed I'd definitely target that market.
Ach. I have some sympathy for the OP and their desire to eat well and easily in a challenging environment. Nevertheless I am more impressed by the novel, open hearted and respectful solutions to the conundrum that have been posted by many.
I just hope that next time I don't come back as a Prawn anywhere near Galicia.
hahaha! San Dave.
And no offense to vegetarians and vegans (I am primarily vegetarian at home, but also an opportunistic browser/grazer, especially on the road), but this reminds me of a joke:
Q: How do you know somebody is vegan?
A: Oh, don't worry. They'll tell you.
Q - What's 0.7 Vegan?I love a completely b*ll&cks statistic. So how about 9000 vegan pilgrims per year = 25 vegan pilgrims per day, spread along 34 days of Camino = 0.7 vegan pilgrims per day, shared between lets say an happy estimate of two possible restaurants per location = 0.35 customers per day. If I was striving to keep my bar open and my family employed I'd definitely target that market.
Ach. I have some sympathy for the OP and their desire to eat well and easily in a challenging environment. Nevertheless I am more impressed by the novel, open hearted and respectful solutions to the conundrum that have been posted by many.
I just hope that next time I don't come back as a Prawn anywhere near Galicia.
1% of 300,000 is 3,000. 3% is 9,000. So yes, thousands
You have no idea how many times I have ordered apparent vegetarian food to find a bit of meat in it. Things are not so rosy. I am not a radical vegan, just someone who would like a few more food choice options other than patatas fritas y ensalada sin carne, sin pollo, sin pescado, sin huevos, sin queso.
I for one don’t want it to change! I actually like Spanish food. When I get tired of it, I cook my own!!!If we do nothing, nothing will change.
Dear 1946caminoman:Next year, when I walk the Camino I am going to carry hundreds of little fliers, which I will give to the owners of every restaurant that does not offer a decent selection of vegetarian and vegan options.
They will be headlined thus: "BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY"
And will read: "Did you know that every year, thousands of vegetarians and vegans walk the Camino? If you do not supply a selection of vegetarian and vegan options on your menu, they will go somewhere else that does. Why lose out? By the way, I am a vegetarian, and as you have no decent vegetarian options I am not eating here"
I will get this text translated into Spanish by a friend (not Google translate).
If every vegetarian or vegan reading this wrote their own version of this, printed out a few hundred copies and distributed them along the way, I bet we would have a significant impact
Dave that was a great post...in its entirety. Thank you. I learned something new...always good.So what can perhaps eventually make a change? Awareness. NOT to a restaurant owner, but to fellow vegans and vegetarians. Produce and distribute a flyer to fellow non meat eaters on Camino. Ask them, when they pay their bill for a meal or drinks, to gently compliment the owner for his hospitality, and that as a non-meat eater, they appreciate the restaurants help in making a special meal.
That does two immediate things:
1. It makes the owner appreciative of a pilgrim with a great attitude of gratitude.
2. It lets the owner know in a non-confrontational manner, that yet another non-meat eater/customer was served.
Dave that was a great post...in its entirety. Thank you. I learned something new...always good.
And that flier? A very good idea!
Oh JillGat!! Hilarious LMAO!!!I have to admit I've fantasized about a number of different flyers I could carry and distribute on the Camino (I wouldn't do it, but I'm a big fantasizer):
(to be posted on the local bar/cafe as I leave the albergue) "BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY: "If you would open and start serving coffee at 6 or even 7am instead of at 9, you would make enough money to close early for the day"
"TO THE PERSON WHO SPREADS OUT AND HANGS THEIR MICROFIBER TOWELS (sometimes even horizontally) ON THE LINE LEAVING NO SPACE FOR ANYONE ELSE TO HANG THEIR CLOTHES: WTF?"
(to be posted when relevant on my neighbor's bunk at the albergue): "If you continue to clip your toenails near my bed, I will clip mine too, collect yours and mine and sprinkle them all in your sleeping bag."
Any other ideas?
Damn, stuff the restaurant business - run for President.In my initial two posts, I was being frank about why I did not like the Flyer/Hand-out approach that you were choosing as a method to advocate for vegan cuisine. My response touched only on the tone and attitude of the flyer as I saw it; how it comes across to me. I assumed that is why you posted what you did; to see what a response might be.
Now let me explain some things, based on a restaurant's unique business model, in a crash course of things to consider. I do hope this may be of help.
Restaurants are different than other businesses in that it isn't about how many sales that a single menu (product) item has, it is how many seats are filled during the course of a service (breakfast, lunch, or dinner). A restaurant doesn't focus on how many times one person, with a specific preference, will choose to eat at his/her restaurant. This is because one person may choose to eat out a few times a month, and select a different restaurant some of that time unless they REALLY like my food. So I do not focus on the same customer that comes in on one, single day, because they won't eat at my restaurant EVERY SINGLE DAY.
What I focus on is my need to sell the same seat, to as many customers I can, for each hour that I'm open, for each day I that I am open, 365 days per year (or however many days a year I open the restaurant).
Look at it this way: Suppose I have a tiny restaurant with a seating for 40 people. Based on average opening hours, if I sell every seat once every thirty minutes, I can seat 400 people per day. That is 146,000 people per year. Now, consider this: Because I have sold meals to every seat, and those meals were ordered and eaten, that means without changing what I do or how I do it, I have 100% capacity.
If I have 100% capacity, the only way to earn more money is to either expand the restaurant's footprint (bigger store or second store), or to increase my profit on each menu item served without losing customers. Increasing profitability can mean anything from raising the price of each menu item by 10 cents, to getting a better deal on my menu ingredients, or increase efficiency of kitchen and front of store staff after decreasing personnel on my payroll, or become more efficient with utilities (water, electricity, gas), etc., or all of the above.
As a business, then, my biggest problem would be a lack of profitability due to empty seats. As a business person who wants to survive, THAT is when I would seriously look at expanding my menu (or even changing my menu) as one method to fill those empty seats. As with any business, part of what one does is to sell what the customer wants, not what I want to sell to the customer.
In order to effect a change to make Vegan offerings commonplace along the Camino, you need to understand the above. It is also important to know whether or not you are talking to the owner of, for example, a barbecue joint or other specialty cuisine which fills seats BECAUSE of its specialty, and whether it is truly practical to target that restaurant.
A restaurant that has been around for a while has an owner that knows and understands business. S/he understands their target market, what food items or offerings by his competitors siphon off his customers, and if gaining those lost customers can be done profitably.
A stranger comes into my store. This stranger is a foreign visitor/tourist passing through my town. The stranger hasn't ordered anything. The stranger hands me a flyer which informs me that I am not serving a specific type of cuisine and that I need to add vegan menu items or she will eat elsewhere.
Furthermore, that stranger, who has no idea about my restaurant business and financials, insists that I am missing out on a business opportunity. If I MIGHT be interested, or am trying to be polite, I ask the stranger some important questions like:
The stranger speaks so little Spanish, that there is no hope of communication about these questions. More importantly, I get the sense that the stranger has no real knowledge of the restaurant business, marketing, or even what a simple menu ingredient costing might be.
- How I would need to rearrange my kitchen to avoid vegan foods from being cross contaminated with meat or dairy or eggs during prep and cooking?
- How to arrange product storage in my limited cooler and freezer and pantry space to make it vegan acceptable?
- Can I use the same pans, stove, fryer, knives, hot holding and cold holding equipment, etc, for both vegan and non-vegan (I am somewhat familiar with Kosher requirements so I ask if this is the same with vegan)?
- Can I use pre-packaged foods from a factory which also processes animal products?
- Is there an extra expense to buying vegan ingredients?
- Is organic part of the vegan requirement?
- ETC, etc, etc
So what I am faced with is someone telling me something about my business that they are woefully ignorant about. Heck, they cannot even speak my language enough to give me a proper business pitch even if they had that information.
In the meantime, I have a full house of customers waiting to buy what I am already selling. The stranger, on the other hand, has given me a flyer that includes an ultimatum. I hope that this clarifies why I would crumple the flyer and escort you to the door of my establishment and tell you to feel free to open your own restaurant. I want you to see your demands as I would see them from the perspective of a business owner.
So what can perhaps eventually make a change? Awareness. NOT to a restaurant owner, but to fellow vegans and vegetarians. Produce and distribute a flyer to fellow non meat eaters on Camino. Ask them, when they pay their bill for a meal or drinks, to gently compliment the owner for his hospitality, and that as a non-meat eater, they appreciate the restaurants help in making a special meal.
That does two immediate things:
1. It makes the owner appreciative of a pilgrim with a great attitude of gratitude.
2. It lets the owner know in a non-confrontational manner, that yet another non-meat eater/customer was served.
IF the owners get enough customers, it is my guess that they will make some effort to add more options for non-meat eaters on the menu. A flyer, or a transient advocate of veganism, cannot accurately make a marketing assessment that is meaningful. What is a meaningful marketing indicator, are the number of individual customers asking if the restaurant can prepare a non-meat meal off menu. That is guerrilla marketing potential that a restaurant owner will notice
If in the course of 3 months I get 100 requests for non meat meals, I am going to pay attention. If I get a transient stranger handing me a flyer with demands, not so much.
So do the flyer. . just do it for a different group.
Trop vrai!!Le touriste exige, le pélerin remercie.
This line made it obvious to me that the OP hasn't done the Camino before. If he or she had, they would know that there often is not "somewhere else" to take their business.Not to beat a dead horse radish, but re. this part of the flyer:
"If you do not supply a selection of vegetarian and vegan options on your menu, they will go somewhere else that does."
If there is somewhere else that does, why care about the one who doesn't?
If I'm reading DaveBugg's comment correctly, the owner's main concern is not that he loses seats by adding vegan options. Rather it is that adding vegan options might not increase the number of times that each seat is "sold" during the restaurant's business hours. (Or if it does raise that number, the question is by how much?)But to play Devil's advocate to DaveBugg's piece and to even support the OPs concern, a restaurant doesn't need to LOSE seats to add a couple of vegan options to the menu.
Somewhere else is the albergue kitchen or the nearest supermarket, I guess.This line made it obvious to me that the OP hasn't done the Camino before. If he or she had, they would know that there often is not" somewhere else" to take their business.
Thank you, I appreciate it. My two consulting areas of practice are in Public Health Education and Information, and Small Restaurant Startups. You would be surprised at how many consults I have done for those wanting to start an American Style barbecue joint within the EU.
We have some things in common, Dave; my Masters degree is in Public Health - focus on Epidemiology - and I also worked in the mountaineering industry for some years. (No restaurant experience, though).
Let us imagine the this scenario:-Next year, when I walk the Camino I am going to carry hundreds of little fliers, which I will give to the owners of every restaurant that does not offer a decent selection of vegetarian and vegan options.
They will be headlined thus: "BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY"
And will read: "Did you know that every year, thousands of vegetarians and vegans walk the Camino? If you do not supply a selection of vegetarian and vegan options on your menu, they will go somewhere else that does. Why lose out? By the way, I am a vegetarian, and as you have no decent vegetarian options I am not eating here" .................
I'm wondering: Does it matter whether a post is a well-designed trolling post or a naive post or a post where someone just vents their frustration? There are obviously enough of us who like to tackle any loosely camino related topic under the sun, and then some. We could just look at such posts as an invitation: "Here's a topic and a bit of an exposé. Discuss!". With the breadth and depth of knowledge and experience of so many forum members, there's often something interesting to learn or something entertaining to enjoy in many threads. I've been wondering lately whether another recent thread about stamps between Monte do Gozo and Santiago was such a fake post. And, again, whether it matters?Although there is no way to be certain sans a confession post by the OP, I think I prefer the thread be a troll than an actual proposal as stated in the OP.
I, along with thousands of others, only eat meat, fish, eggs, dairy and do not eat vegetables (apart from potatoes) or salad
How can someone walk four Caminos and not learn that being humble/thankful/gracious is an essential part of being a pilgrim?
FlexitarianYeah exactly, except you forgot : "or cereals or any vegetable oils except for olive oil or avocado, although if you have any berries or any fresh fruit picked this morning those are fine as well." And you forgot all about the yummy sausages and pâtés and hams. (though personally the eggs and the sea fish are off the menu too ; so Drat !! no more caviar !!)
Oh, and I've found that beetroot is mostly OK, carrots in moderation (preferably not cooked though), and turnips are probably OK too, at least to an extent.
Actually this week I decided to take a break from the diet, mostly just for a bit of a change, and I came out with an extensive skin rash.
Still not planning any angry anti-Vegan leaflets -- my diet is my responsibility on my Camino.
I've been wondering lately whether another recent thread about stamps between Monte do Gozo and Santiago was such a fake post
Flexitarian
The OP is real
Don't be "the Ugly American" but rather the modest pilgrim.
Don't know if he's American, it's just an expression (guess I'm dating myself).
A person could do worse:Don't know if he's American, it's just an expression (guess I'm dating myself).
A person could do worse:
The "Ugly American" of the book title refers to the book's hero, plain-looking engineer Homer Atkins,
"calloused and grease-blackened hands always reminded him that he was an ugly man." Atkins, who lives with the local people, comes to understand their needs, and offers genuinely useful assistance with small-scale projects such as the development of a simple bicycle-powered water pump.
Alas, it no longer means that. It symbolizes rudeness and thoughtless, along with a loud, demanding personality.
Does anyone know how to get from Erewhon to Llareggub on a Friday evening in July?
Well since we're getting nowhere with this, at least we've started the journey.Does anyone know how to get from Erewhon to Llareggub on a Friday evening in July?
I think that we have sufficiently piled on such that he will not be back.
The Quiet American often is confused with the ugly American.Alas, it no longer means that. It symbolizes rudeness and thoughtless, along with a loud, demanding personality.
Naughty! That gentleman was no gentlemanThe Quiet American often is confused with the ugly American.
Actually. there are some tricks to avoid getting weighed down by flyers. If you bring a printer, you can print off 10 or 20 flyers at a time - enough to last a couple of days and weighing no more than 100g.Walking a Camino with extra weight for flyers,
My son is vegan and we live in France and it's not always easy.
Alas, it no longer means that. It symbolizes rudeness and thoughtless, along with a loud, demanding personality.
Someone handed me a flyer with TRAVEL OPPORTUNITY on it but I threw it away.
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