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Bradyplus thanks mateCan't speak with any authority about the e-bike issue. But for a Compostela you must complete the final 200km by bike or 100km on foot. Doesn't matter how far you have gone on other stages.
The pilgrim office in Santiago has a page about the Compostela and what is necessary to receive one. The information does not seem to have been updated to include the latest addition to the list of rules: that one must complete the final 100km or 200km on an officially recognised route. Most people do in any case. I think that for you the key points are to have an officially recognised Credencial (either the cathedral's own or from one of the many national confraternities), to cycle at least the final 200km, and to be sure to have your credencial stamped at least twice per day during the final 200km. That is not difficult: one will almost certainly be given by wherever you sleep, and the other can be from a church, a bar, or almost any business in Spain. Apart from that there really are no "rules/laws" and what unwritten customs and conventions there are are mostly common-sense courtesies towards your fellow pilgrims. https://oficinadelperegrino.com/en/pilgrimage/the-compostela/Where can I obtain the rules / laws of the Camino please and thanks
I so agree, the achievement and experience is so much more important, my Spanish Brother in Law, always wanted to do León to Santiago in his elderly SEAT 600d, sadly he died last November without realising his wishNot trying to judge, but I am curious. Is a Compostela certificate important if cruising on an ebike? An ebike sounds like a lot of fun and would be an adventure, but it seems more like a motorcycle or car than a walk or cycling.
I would encourage you to just go however you want to travel, enjoy your trip and not worry about the Compostela if they don't offer one. For me, the greatest take-way from the Camino was not the certificate, but the sense of freedom and wandering, times of solitude, times of community and comradery, and accomplishment. Enjoy your Camino.
Depends where you apply the torque.As one who has walked six Caminos, including the full Frances twice, I will agree that having that extra torque from an electric motor on the uphill stretches would have been heavenly.
As one who has walked six Caminos, including the full Frances twice, I will agree that having that extra torque from an electric motor on the uphill stretches would have been heavenly.
Where do I buy them? Tell me! Now!You haven't heard of E-Poles? Electrically assisted trekking poles?
Where do I buy them? Tell me! Now!
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The E-Poles don't replace actual walking, they just provide 75% of the effort to each stride. This allows you to walk with only 25% of the energy compared to manual walking.
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The E-Poles don't replace actual walking, they just provide 75% of the effort to each stride. This allows you to walk with only 25% of the energy compared to manual walking.
Imagine, walking from St Jean Pied de Port to Pamplona in ONE day; no more messy reservation worries at Orrison or Roncesvalles Alburgue. . . you have so many more lodging options to choose from on your very first day.
You arrive with less risk of shin splints, blisters, ankle twists, and other assorted musculo-skeletal injuries. Plantars Fasciitis is now a thing of the past.
But, wait, there's more. . . . Act now and we'll UPGRADE your E-Poles to our DELUXE model with NO EXTRA CHARGE. So in addition to your power pace perfecter, you will also receive our exclusive automatic Gyroscopic Monitor and Corrector (GMC).
No more tumbles, spills, or falls. If you start to trip or slip, our exclusive GMC will sense your impending doom. Then in a split second, it will automatically move your E-Poles to the proper placement and angle, then power assist you to an upright position.
So, Order Now for only $19.95 ****
*** Batteries, shaft, tips, and hand grips are not included, but are available as optional add ons.
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Are these the type of treking poles that plug in and charge, or do you have to walk to charge them?You haven't heard of E-Poles? Electrically assisted trekking poles?
I bought an electric fork to go with my electric knife. They were out of electric spatulas, even at the House of Spatulas.You haven't heard of E-Poles?
And, they would be Camino-legal. Since they do not work if you do not walk, they likely do not run afoul of the rules.Careful, if Jeff Bezos gets wind of this, the clever folks in the PRC will actually come up with this as an adaptation of a pogo stick. The physics can be made to work. Look for it to be available on Amazon in about six months.
Imagine a walking assistive device that acts to effectively reduce your felt weight to a fraction of what it is, (like walking in Moon gravity) while lengthening your stride. IMHO, it can be done... it is like the present anti-shock hiking poles with a battery assisted hydraulics to push down for you.
You may have accidentally spawned a new product...
And, they would be Camino-legal. Since they do not work if you do not walk, they likely do not run afoul of the rules.
Can I buy stock in the startup company? We NEED Dougfitz in on this.
I tried one of those electric forks on my pasta al pomodoro - huge mistake, specks of tomato all over my walls!I bought an electric fork to go with my electric knife. They were out of electric spatulas, even at the House of Spatulas.
@davebugg it was lovely to see you return recently-and absolutely delightful to witness your ongoing healing....I always thought of you as immensely helpful - now I need to add cheeky!
By the way, I laughed at the electric poles. As I cannot adapt to the normal ones, should give those a go - feels like I will go bouncing across the mountains
And for those concerned with the environmental impact of Helium, we do offer the option of filling your Helium Bladder with C.U.F. (Compressed Unicorn Farts).
I have not laughed so much in days!
I probably sound like a unicorn too due to all the Helium!
Do the HelioPack or the CUF quantities follow the 10% rule? I am small, how much Unicorn Fart should I be carrying? Or, how much will be carrying me? Although organic, doesnt it provoke a greenhouse effect?
t2andreo thanks so much for your help in explaining this to meThe interpretation of the existing rules is used. If you are traveling on a bicycle you must cover at least the FINAL 200 km of any approved route into Santiago.
The issue of using an E-bike has been interpreted thusly... If it is a bicycle that REQUIRES pedaling to continue to move forward, even if it has a battery assist, it remains 'legal' for Compostela purposes. The theory is that you must continue to pedal to provide added charging to the battery, or the electro-assisted bicycle eventually becomes a pedal only bike. This applies even if you can remove the battery nightly to top off the charge or to prevent theft of the battery.
OTOH - an electric bicycle that can only be charged and ridden and DOES NOT use a pedal charging or pedal assist system, is considered an electric scooter, and IS NOT approved.
See, simple... Each year when I report for volunteer work, I see more and more of the electrical / battery assisted types of bikes out there. Just don't be tempted to go full electric scooter...
Hope this helps.
I have been following this with morbid fascination, worried that I wouldn't be able to get the word 'mate' into every sentence and not appear Australian enough! Now I am embarrassed that my old friends, and @pilgrimglenn7's new found mates, are taking the p**s. How could you do that to a mate? Although I did notice that the female contributors to the thread might be excused from this criticism - they have yet to be honoured with the sobriquet 'mate'.We NEED Dougfitz in on this.
thanks John H on a few thingsNot trying to judge, but I am curious. Is a Compostela certificate important if cruising on an ebike? An ebike sounds like a lot of fun and would be an adventure, but it seems more like a motorcycle or car than a walk or cycling.
I would encourage you to just go however you want to travel, enjoy your trip and not worry about the Compostela if they don't offer one. For me, the greatest take-way from the Camino was not the certificate, but the sense of freedom and wandering, times of solitude, times of community and comradery, and accomplishment. Enjoy your Camino.
thanks mate at DougfitzI have been following this with morbid fascination, worried that I wouldn't be able to get the word 'mate' into every sentence and not appear Australian enough! Now I am embarrassed that my old friends, and @pilgrimglenn7's new found mates, are taking the p**s. How could you do that to a mate? Although I did notice that the female contributors to the thread might be excused from this criticism - they have yet to be honoured with the sobriquet 'mate'.
As for electric poles, I am having plans drawn up for a device that will stimulate the leg muscles should one not press down hard enough on the poles. It would have an adjustable cadence so that if the user should fail to meet the speed target,they would get shocked into speeding up anyway. The sensors to detect a pilgrim about to race you for the last albergue bed are proving more difficult, and they will be a mid-life upgrade (at some cost) for those determined to win the bed race!!
So go ahead and load up that hair dryer, curling iron, coffee pot, and mini microwave. You won't notice a thing
Matee? Matette? (Both sound a tad patronising)I have been following this with morbid fascination, worried that I wouldn't be able to get the word 'mate' into every sentence and not appear Australian enough! Now I am embarrassed that my old friends, and @pilgrimglenn7's new found mates, are taking the p**s. How could you do that to a mate? Although I did notice that the female contributors to the thread might be excused from this criticism - they have yet to be honoured with the sobriquet 'mate'.
As for electric poles, I am having plans drawn up for a device that will stimulate the leg muscles should one not press down hard enough on the poles. It would have an adjustable cadence so that if the user should fail to meet the speed target, they would get shocked into speeding up anyway. The sensors to detect a pilgrim about to race you for the last albergue bed are proving more difficult, and they will be a mid-life upgrade (at some cost) for those determined to win the bed race!!
It could if you carried the moped . . .I would think, just guessing mind you, that since a vehicle like a moped would not be authorized, an E-bike, green or not, would fall into the same category.
i dont mind the fun at allMatee? Matette? (Both sound a tad patronising)
As for your device to stimulate leg muscles (Luigi Galvani says: "Been there, done that, you want to see my pet frog?") I've no doubt Dave Bugg Enterprises Inc®(a subsidiary of C.E.I) could dress up some cattle prods with a few scallop shell stickers.
(Apologies to @pilgrimglenn7 - such nonsense as this usually gets confined to the "Not a serious thread" thread but once you open up a can of worms here there's no telling where it will lead).
Sound environmental thinking. Bimetallic trekking poles - one copper, one zinc (or possibly galvanized steel). Just remember to apply liberal quantities of locally-sourced lemon juice to the skin to improve conduction before whacking your calf muscles at every step. If only someone can now demonstrate conclusively that lemon juice is either a deterrent or is actually toxic to bedbugs..... That would be a plus.As for your device to stimulate leg muscles (Luigi Galvani says: "Been there, done that, you want to see my pet frog?")
i found it if its battery powered and powered up by your legs you can get your certificate as long as you use your legs only on last 200 kilometersHello Pilgrimglen7............i hired a bike , not an e bike , from these people..........www.cyclingthecamino.com........ last year and i read in their brochure that if you hire an E bikes then you would not be entitled to a compostela . I dont know how authoritative their brochure is , but i suppose they gleaned the info from somewhere .
There are other threads on this forum about this issue .
Regards.....John
Intrigued (and bored - waiting for a delivery "sometime today") I instantly Googled it:Sound environmental thinking. Bimetallic trekking poles - one copper, one zinc (or possibly galvanized steel). Just remember to apply liberal quantities of locally-sourced lemon juice to the skin to improve conduction before whacking your calf muscles at every step. If only someone can now demonstrate conclusively that lemon juice is either a deterrent or is actually toxic to bedbugs..... That would be a plus.
Rebekah Scott thanks for your comment matewhen the cathedral finally decides to get out of the souvenir business or eliminate the ludicrous "100 km. rule," the Compostela fever will subside and the entire Enhanced Camino Experience business will collapse. Cash in now, folks, while the market is hot!
t2andreo thanks so much for your help in explaining this to mehopefully my wife can join me and support me muchas gracias mi amigo and buen camino. I plan to go from st jean du port to santiago to muxia and fisterre and back to santiago but what is best to do in what direction from santiago back to santiago? thanks again sir much appreciated mate
Trying to reproduce in writing something that works well in the Australian spoken vernacular is always going to be fraught with the prospect of misunderstanding. The word mate is one of the more strongly gender biased terms, and its use requires care. For example men can call men mate, a man wouldn't do that to a woman, but women might do it to each other, although I rarely hear that. The word can be extended (maaaaate) and be an expression of joy at meeting a friend, or complete derision of someone's stupid idea. It is also a proxy for the rather longer winded 'I have forgotten your name, and even if you tell it to me now I will have forgotten it again before long, so I will save us both the embarrassment of having to formally introduce ourselves, mate!'Matee? Matette? (Both sound a tad patronising)
I would think, just guessing mind you, that since a vehicle like a moped would not be authorized, an E-bike, green or not, would fall into the same category.
Oh for the simpler, far off, days of 1970s London when just saying the words "Oi, Sheila" in Kangeroo Valley would have half the population turn towards you!Trying to reproduce in writing something that works well in the Australian spoken vernacular is always going to be fraught with the prospect of misunderstanding. The word mate is one of the more strongly gender biased terms, and its use requires care. For example men can call men mate, a man wouldn't do that to a woman, but women might do it to each other, although I rarely hear that. The word can be extended (maaaaate) and be an expression of joy at meeting a friend, or complete derision of someone's stupid idea. It is also a proxy for the rather longer winded 'I have forgotten your name, and even if you tell it to me now I will have forgotten it again before long, so I will save us both the embarrassment of having to formally introduce ourselves, mate!'
As to what one might call a woman, great care is required. 'Love', 'honey' or 'sweetheart' have generally worn out their welcome, as I think, has 'miss'. The standby I use is 'ma'am' when speaking and as the formal salutation on correspondence, but it wouldn't replace 'mate' in other contexts.
Other than the difficulties the word creates as a salutation, it still has great utility. I could say 'a mate of mine and I are going to walk the camino' without creating any confusion, and an Australian would clearly understand that you and the person you are walking with are likely to be the same gender. Saying 'a friend of mine and I are going to walk the camimo' would leave the matter of gender open.
Which is all a long winded way of saying 'matee' or 'matette' aren't likely to be entering the Australian vernacular in the foreseeable future.
I believe Jeff is already working on shoes that provide the same service. When you step down on them they push you back up for the next step. They are great while you are walking but they are still working out the kinks for stopping (at the end of the day, at bars, or at traffic lights and stop signs).Careful, if Jeff Bezos gets wind of this, the clever folks in the PRC will actually come up with this, as an adaptation of a pogo stick. The physics can be made to work. Look for it to be available on Amazon in about six months.
Imagine a walking assistive device that acts to effectively reduce your felt weight to a fraction of what it is, (like walking in Moon gravity) while lengthening your stride. IMHO, it can be done... it is like the present anti-shock hiking poles with battery assisted hydraulics to push down for you.
You may have accidentally spawned a new product...
And, they would be Camino-legal. Since they do not work if you do not walk, they likely do not run afoul of the rules.
Can I buy stock in the startup company? We NEED Dougfitz in on this.
Not to me, I am afraid.Does this make sense?
I don't see the use of external (to the person) power source in anything like the same light as the use of gearing. I do understand that the amount of assistance could vary quite significantly between different models, and that there are going to be arrangements and control mechanisms that require the rider to pedal to get any assistance. This would ensure that the rider cannot cruise or coast without some pedalling effort. That said the rider is always going to have available the assistance of a motor.In this context, the electric assist bicycle is a further enhancement of the gearing concept. You STILL have to pedal to move the contraption forward.
I can honestly say that riding a e-bike isn't easy! All it does it take the pressure off your knees and helps you get up the hills better. At 71, I was ready to leave my cycling days behind me then friends (older than me) said they found their e-bikes mean they could still enjoy the sport. My doctor also advised me that if I didn't want to end up having a knee operation, I should seriously consider an e-bike.Not trying to judge, but I am curious. Is a Compostela certificate important if cruising on an ebike? An ebike sounds like a lot of fun and would be an adventure, but it seems more like a motorcycle or car than a walk or cycling.
I would encourage you to just go however you want to travel, enjoy your trip and not worry about the Compostela if they don't offer one. For me, the greatest take-way from the Camino was not the certificate, but the sense of freedom and wandering, times of solitude, times of community and comradery, and accomplishment. Enjoy your Camino.
Sadly, it is attitudes like this that force me to realise that I have to give up my yearning to ride the Camino, which I did in 2013 on a normal bike, using my new e-bike. I had to invest in one because my doctor told me to either give up what was a wonderful way of keeping fit if I wanted to avoid knee surgery. It seems funny that people on horses and motorbikes are seen as valid when it comes to making their way along the Camino, yet those using an e-bike (which, believe me, is still not an easy mode of transport - see my reply to John H. above) is frowned upon.The cathedral has not been distinguishing the gradations among e-bikes or other forms of motorization, beyond what I explained. Perhaps they should, but to date they have not entered the fray.
When I have asked in the past, as recently as last summer, the only verbal answer I ever received was that "if you MUST pedal to move forward, it is still okay. If you do not need to ever pedal, as a motor provides all locomotion, then it is not legal." I am paraphrasing slightly but that is a near literal rendition of what management told me.
But there is no bicycle inspector outside the office greeting and inspecting all arriving cyclists to tell them if their camino was valid or not. We may be many things at the Pilgrim Office, but stupid ain't among them. Let me put it this way, it is not a function I would ever want to do.
Personally, while I do appreciate the benefits of the electric ASSIST bicycles, were I king, I would ban all e-bikes as a development too far. IMHO they reduce the effort required, and make light of the traditional seriousness of the Camino.
Then again, I am a purist at heart. I would prefer that NO bicycles or other self propelled but mechanical wheeled means of transport be approved, with the SOLE exception of a wheelchair for a disabled person.
But, this isn't going to happen. So, bicycles remain legitimate as do pogo sticks, push scooters, and any other form of human locomotion that requires a human to make an effort to cause it to move forward.
Hope this helps.
I am sorry to read this. It sounds as if you have carefully thought through your own particular abilities and needs and had decided on a journey built around them. A decision made for what appear to be sound reasons and in good conscience. Why throw that away because of some interpretations of "rules" which only apply to you if you choose to let them? On my second Camino I met members of a German coach party on a parish pilgrimage from Bavaria. One woman was quite angry with me and told me that solo walkers like myself were tourists and not proper pilgrims: she and her friends were the real pilgrims because they travelled together in an officially organised church group supervised by a priest who said mass daily and led them in prayers and spiritual meditations. Walking played no part in her understanding of what 'pilgrimage' meant. Although I did not share her judgment on myself and other walkers I was more than ready to accept that she was as much a pilgrim as myself. I have often thought and have frequently stated that the 100km/200km rule and other subsequent conditions for receiving a Compostela are a serious mistake in judgment on the part of the cathedral: something which encourages a fixation with trivial details, "cheating" and an over-emphasis on the physical challenges of a journey rather than the spiritual focus. If you do not build your plans around the Compostela rules why should they determine how you make your pilgrimage?I am a very patient person and tend to believe that everybody has a right to their own choices in life. It just cuts to the core when I realise that I may come across attitudes like this because I would do anything to avoid such negative feelings being directed at me. So I am giving up on my plans to use my newly acquired e-bike in Spain this year.
I am sorry to read this. It sounds as if you have carefully thought through your own particular abilities and needs and had decided on a journey built around them. A decision made for what appear to be sound reasons and in good conscience. Why throw that away because of some interpretations of "rules" which only apply to you if you choose to let them? On my second Camino I met members of a German coach party on a parish pilgrimage from Bavaria. One woman was quite angry with me and told me that solo walkers like myself were tourists and not proper pilgrims: she and her friends were the real pilgrims because they travelled together in an officially organised church group supervised by a priest who said mass daily and led them in prayers and spiritual meditations. Walking played no part in her understanding of what 'pilgrimage' meant. Although I did not share her judgment on myself and other walkers I was more than ready to accept that she was as much a pilgrim as myself. I have often thought and have frequently stated that the 100km/200km rule and other subsequent conditions for receiving a Compostela are a serious mistake in judgment on the part of the cathedral: something which encourages a fixation with trivial details, "cheating" and an over-emphasis on the physical challenges of a journey rather than the spiritual focus. If you do not build your plans around the Compostela rules why should they determine how you make your pilgrimage?
It seems funny that people on horses and motorbikes are seen as valid when it comes to making their way along the Camino,
Sadly, it is attitudes like this that force me to realise that I have to give up my yearning to ride the Camino, which I did in 2013 on a normal bike, using my new e-bike. I had to invest in one because my doctor told me to either give up what was a wonderful way of keeping fit if I wanted to avoid knee surgery. It seems funny that people on horses and motorbikes are seen as valid when it comes to making their way along the Camino, yet those using an e-bike (which, believe me, is still not an easy mode of transport - see my reply to John H. above) is frowned upon.
I am a very patient person and tend to believe that everybody has a right to their own choices in life. It just cuts to the core when I realise that I may come across attitudes like this because I would do anything to avoid such negative feelings being directed at me. So I am giving up on my plans to use my newly acquired e-bike in Spain this year.
But there is no reason you can't ride the camino on your new e-bike. It just may or may not qualify you for the particular piece of paper.I have to give up my yearning to ride the Camino... using my new e-bike.
thanks mateI am sorry to read this. It sounds as if you have carefully thought through your own particular abilities and needs and had decided on a journey built around them. A decision made for what appear to be sound reasons and in good conscience. Why throw that away because of some interpretations of "rules" which only apply to you if you choose to let them? On my second Camino I met members of a German coach party on a parish pilgrimage from Bavaria. One woman was quite angry with me and told me that solo walkers like myself were tourists and not proper pilgrims: she and her friends were the real pilgrims because they travelled together in an officially organised church group supervised by a priest who said mass daily and led them in prayers and spiritual meditations. Walking played no part in her understanding of what 'pilgrimage' meant. Although I did not share her judgment on myself and other walkers I was more than ready to accept that she was as much a pilgrim as myself. I have often thought and have frequently stated that the 100km/200km rule and other subsequent conditions for receiving a Compostela are a serious mistake in judgment on the part of the cathedral: something which encourages a fixation with trivial details, "cheating" and an over-emphasis on the physical challenges of a journey rather than the spiritual focus. If you do not build your plans around the Compostela rules why should they determine how you make your pilgrimage?
I think the problem was a sort of tunnel vision. If her own choices and definitions were self-evidently correct then anything else must equally obviously be "wrong". It is not an uncommon attitude. Sometimes it may come from defensiveness about one's own decisions - a pre-emptive attack to forestall possible criticism. At other times I suspect simple arrogance and a lack of humility. We see it here on the forum often enough when people fail to make any distinction between their personal opinions and universal truths and instead make pronouncements of unquestionable "fact" on everything from footwear to bedbug prevention to daily stages and the choice of guidebookBut in regards to being a pilgrim i believe you are more correct than that german lady told you.
agree mate im starting to see that in my questionsI think the problem was a sort of tunnel vision. If her own choices and definitions were self-evidently correct then anything else must equally obviously be "wrong". It is not an uncommon attitude. Sometimes it may come from defensiveness about one's own decisions - a pre-emptive attack to forestall possible criticism. At other times I suspect simple arrogance and a lack of humility. We see it here on the forum often enough when people fail to make any distinction between their personal opinions and universal truths and instead make pronouncements of unquestionable "fact" on everything from footwear to bedbug prevention to daily stages and the choice of guidebook
I call eveyone mate no matter who it iseven my wife and shes american and she calls me mate i call my mother mate and my step dad mate. My dad was called mate before he died over 12 years ago. No matter where i am say mate now i might say bro brother or sis or sister its just me u can call me anything you want but i am happy to say these to people when i get on the pilgrimage and i will also say muchas gracias or my amiga and expecially buen camino i will learn basic spanish before coming cause where ever i travel i like to learn some language as people from that land appreciate it you are trying to be more understanding and respectful to them and yes a smile goes a long way too cheers mates
I call eveyone mate no matter who it iseven my wife and shes american and she calls me mate i call my mother mate and my step dad mate. My dad was called mate before he died over 12 years ago. No matter where i am say mate now i might say bro brother or sis or sister its just me u can call me anything you want but i am happy to say these to people when i get on the pilgrimage and i will also say muchas gracias or my amiga and expecially buen camino i will learn basic spanish before coming cause where ever i travel i like to learn some language as people from that land appreciate it you are trying to be more understanding and respectful to them and yes a smile goes a long way too cheers mates
While it might be nice to have the Compostela at the end of the journey, it isn't really all about that, is it. I reason with myself and tell myself that I don't need a piece of paper to qualify what I have achieved. Back in 2013, when I used a smashing Boardman bike (not an e-bike) to ride the Camino de Santiago, the journey was really daunting and much, much harder than anything I had ever undertaken before. And receiving the Compostela on reaching Santiago seemed the perfect ending. But I'd have been just as happy simply to reach Santiago after such a magical few weeks without receiving it.But there is no reason you can't ride the camino on your new e-bike. It just may or may not qualify you for the particular piece of paper.
Very definitely Cheeky and Very entertaining.@davebugg it was lovely to see you return recently-and absolutely delightful to witness your ongoing healing....I always thought of you as immensely helpful - now I need to add cheeky!
I find it hard to understand why bikes aren't sold with a bell as standard. And I agree with you that a bell is crucial particularly when you are sharing the space with others, whether on bikes or not. We have a local path through from a main road to the church and people take their dogs for walks along there. I think our bells get used along this path more than anywhere else! And we are always aware that a dog may come dashing out along the meadow in front of us. Having respect for everybody leads to harmony and we often get a wave and a smile from someone when we've warned them that we are approaching on our bikes.Please use a bell on your bikes, sometimes us walkers are away with the fairies and don't hear you coming from behind! And sometimes we can be annoying by zig-zagging down steep descents to save our knees. If I hear you coming I will gladly move over for you.
And of course you are pilgrims. (I actually think it is harder by bike - but then I have a habit of falling off regularly)!
Buen Camino!
Thanks Ducky Mate DaveyHere I call everyone 'mate' too. Though where I grew up in England it was 'duck' or 'ducky'! In some areas it is 'love' (Cheers love), even between males. Confuses some people but I love these regional things!
Buen camino ducky!
Davey
yes u are a true pilgrim mateWhile it might be nice to have the Compostela at the end of the journey, it isn't really all about that, is it. I reason with myself and tell myself that I don't need a piece of paper to qualify what I have achieved. Back in 2013, when I used a smashing Boardman bike (not an e-bike) to ride the Camino de Santiago, the journey was really daunting and much, much harder than anything I had ever undertaken before. And receiving the Compostela on reaching Santiago seemed the perfect ending. But I'd have been just as happy simply to reach Santiago after such a magical few weeks without receiving it.
Now that I'm in my 80th decade (only just, mind) I find my body won't do the things it once did so effortlessly. It was really a case of give up anything adventurous or find a way around it. I actually picked up my new e-bike today - just in time for a gloriously sunny Easter weekend - and am hoping my husband is right when he tells me that now I'll be able to keep up with him! The darn thing still needs peddling and only makes it easier to get over the hills. That'll do me.
We are still contemplating riding the Del Norte and I would almost certainly use the e-bike. But I have to admit that I would never knowingly annoy others, and will always try to be patient with those who might not see me as a true pilgrim - in my heart, I know I am.
buen camino duckyPlease use a bell on your bikes, sometimes us walkers are away with the fairies and don't hear you coming from behind! And sometimes we can be annoying by zig-zagging down steep descents to save our knees. If I hear you coming I will gladly move over for you.
And of course you are pilgrims. (I actually think it is harder by bike - but then I have a habit of falling off regularly)!
Buen Camino!
i agree mateI find it hard to understand why bikes aren't sold with a bell as standard. And I agree with you that a bell is crucial particularly when you are sharing the space with others, whether on bikes or not. We have a local path through from a main road to the church and people take their dogs for walks along there. I think our bells get used along this path more than anywhere else! And we are always aware that a dog may come dashing out along the meadow in front of us. Having respect for everybody leads to harmony and we often get a wave and a smile from someone when we've warned them that we are approaching on our bikes.
I love seeing pilgrims "away with the fairies" because it means they are enjoying the moment or literally being one with their surrounding. It makes your heart sing to see such uninhibited joy.
I still enjoy cycling with my husband (he used to race in his youth - oh, such a long time ago). Often when some youngster sails passed us I comfort myself with knowing he or she's got at least 40 year's on usi agree matei dont want to be away with the fairies and bump into another pilgrim on a walk or other bike but worse a horse. I have enough injuries i dont want any more
yes for me its a dream come true to do a long distance bike ride and complete itwhen i raced my bike from 1985-1988 i dreamed of winning the tour de france but then i knew i couldnt so i said i be dreaming i win the mountain jersey and then down to win at least 1 mountain stage now its a dream to do cycling holidays where i can and still take my beautiful supportive wife where ever i go and we still enjoy our roadtrips as long as my back and legs can hold out and neck
With SERC medication Ménière’s disease is a thing of the past, must take it for a month three times a day to have any affect and must be taken for two years before you can reduce to two tablets a day.thinks" ! could be a godsend for old guys like me with Meniere's disease ! but then you cad you are probably joking! remind me to break your legs as you zoom past!
The Malingerer in malignant mode.
yes i agree and you could do a mr bean in his movie with his time in france and race past the pelotonI still enjoy cycling with my husband (he used to race in his youth - oh, such a long time ago). Often when some youngster sails passed us I comfort myself with knowing he or she's got at least 40 year's on us. And I say to my husband "in our next life, dear"...
If you ride an ebike, it's like riding a motorbike all the way. Do you really think you should get a Certificate???Hey All
I am planning on riding the Way of St James and wondering is there any rule / law that allows me to still get my certificate for completing the St James Way? I hear you can via E Bike but also hear you need to ride only 200 kilometers. Is this only the last 200 or any of the 800 or so kilometers (200 of the 800) I have heard also if you E bike all the way you dont get a certificate.
I want to be honest in Santiago De Compostela office and abide by the rules and laws of the Camino.
Where can I obtain the rules / laws of the Camino please and thanks
Thanks all
Glenn
Nev Sheather no i dont think i shouldIf you ride an ebike, it's like riding a motorbike all the way. Do you really think you should get a Certificate???
thanks Jeff for your long comment and message. Not to offend you but i dont want to question you but you said my uneducated thougts a lot.I wonder. My uneducated thoughts were that originally, pilgrimages were done from the door of one's home, and were a journey with an intentional, spiritual intention behind the pilgrimage. It may have been as a spiritual petition, or as a penance. Thus, with those motives in mind, I can see some going by horse back, but my uneducated thought is that the vast majority went by foot on their pilgrimages. There was a distinct purpose. If one wants to summit Everest, summit Everest, challenge yourself. Climb x. y. or z peak. Go from point A to point B. But, again, my uneducated thought is that pilgrimages such as The Camino, were something intentionally completed with a whole different purpose, thus the Compostella. This seems likely to me (again, my very uneducated thoughts) to follow that pilgrimages were something of a religious nature. Therefore, it makes sense to my uneducated mind, that this would possibly be why there is a question as to the motive for the journey. Was it religious or recreational. Does a recreational walk make it any less difficult? It may, or may not, depending each individual's physical state. Does it make it anymore or less significant. My uneducated thoughts is that "yes, it does" and, "No, it does not." Personally, I think that the original spirit of the pilgrimage was one of a religious nature, so my uneducated thought is for that reason, "Yes, it makes a difference." However, again for those who want to make the trip to make a trip to a renown or known place, great, make it. Cut another notch on the belt, or make a special note of it, and take a photograph or make the special occasion in some wonderful and unforgettable fashion. But, personally, my uneducated opinion is that a person who gives "religious" as the motive simply to obtain the Compostella, well, I wonder...perhaps those individuals should do some internal reflection on pilgrimages, and what they are all about. If those who make them with no religious intent are fine with telling someone or an office that they made the trip with religious intentions in order to obtain the Compostella, in the original intent in which they are offered, well, all the best to them. I just have to wonder though, as a person who is religious, how does that sit with one's conscience after words?
In the Army, we used to laugh about people who would get caught doing the dumbest of things, like wearing a Ranger Tab or some other military qualification on their uniform to which a person was not entitled to. In the service, those who wore things on their uniforms, which they were not entitled to were known as "PX / BX / Clothing Sales Rangers." It was just incredible and unthinkable to most Soldiers that others would simply, and quite literally, walk into the clothing sales store, where uniform items were sold, and buy whatever item it was, and put it on their uniforms. In conversations about these individuals who eventually, are always caught, (and always had to answer some uncomfortable questions afterwards) the rest of us, and especially those who had earned the particular award which the other had chosen to simply put on their uniform, simply wondered why a person felt like they had to do that. Was it because they had such low self esteem that they wanted others to take notice of them? What was it? Were they a person who had a need to have others think great things about them? Why would someone put themselves in that inevitable position of one day someone asking, "Hey, how did you get or how did you earn that?"
Personally, I am Catholic and therefore, I personally believe in the Last Judgement. I do not want to have to give an accounting for being a "PX Ranger." I think that my personal choice, when I make my pilgrimage during the next jubilee year, it will be the entire route, and for personal religious reasons by foot. I too hope to be able to obtain a Compostella, so that I might have it to recall the journey, the pains and the joys of my personal journey and hope the merits, whatever they may be, may be an acceptable offering to Him.
Whatever your motives, may you have a safe and wonderful journey!
Deseandoles un buen camino,
jeff
Not to offend you but i dont want to question you but you said my uneducated thougts a lot.
If was a mate i would have mate. His post never made sense to me except buen caminoDidn't you forget to say, "mate"?
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If was a mate i would have mate. His post never made sense to me except buen camino
thanks Jeff for your long comment and message. Not to offend you but i dont want to question you but you said my uneducated thougts a lot.
As some said to me when i first mentioned i want to go on a pilgrimage they said a true pilgrims wears clothing like a ancient monk walks barefeet and has a walking pole and not carry water or buy water and food but relies on the goodness of others on their journey.
I am wondering no offense why you said all that you said?
We all are on a journey and being a pilgrim in the ways as we ourselves understand why be a pilgrim and why go on a pilgrimage.
For me its not the idea of a compastella or a certificate but that is an added bonus but I am there as i have given reasons before. I am also there to do a life time dream to visit Spain and do a walk or for me bike ride on the way of St James. I wish i could walk it but i cant. I will struggle as it is with a bike but God willing i will achieve a life time dream with Gods helpand my wife in a support vehicle as she cant walk or bike or even motor bike the distances.
Thanks again for your comment
Buen Camino and all the best for you tooGod bless you in all that you do now and plan to do
If was a mate i would have mate. His post never made sense to me except buen camino
I try to answer all comments relating to my questions. Thanks no problemGreetings! No, no offense taken. No offense meant. I did not keep in mind that the comment would be taken as a reply to your original post. Although it was not meant to be, and I see how it would appear to have been and for that I apologize for the confusion.
j
Yes i haveI guess you missed the irony.
There was a time when cyclists and walkers co-existed quite happily on the Caminos because they mostly followed parallel but separate routes. The road touring bikes in vogue in the 1980s were not practical for the narrow and uneven off-road footpaths. With the growth in popularity of off-road bikes and the explosion in numbers walking the Caminos there has been increasing conflict of interest. While most cyclists are considerate in my experience a small but significant minority are not and cause fear and occasional injuries by reckless riding on paths too narrow or confined for pedestrians to take evasive action easily. Sadly the hostility generated by this carries over into a low-level antipathy towards all cyclists from many walkers. This is a fact and wishful thinking will not alter it. If you feel that your choices are well reasoned and justified then I think you should make your journey as you have intended. You cannot please all of the people all of the time.I’m now really worried that I’ll just end up generating negative atmosphere and vibes from others on the journey and it’s the last thing I want to do. I’m now surprised to find myself sort of depressed having been previously focussed, training and excited.
HiThere was a time when cyclists and walkers co-existed quite happily on the Caminos because they mostly followed parallel but separate routes. The road touring bikes in vogue in the 1980s were not practical for the narrow and uneven off-road footpaths. With the growth in popularity of off-road bikes and the explosion in numbers walking the Caminos there has been increasing conflict of interest. While most cyclists are considerate in my experience a small but significant minority are not and cause fear and occasional injuries by reckless riding on paths too narrow or confined for pedestrians to take evasive action easily. Sadly the hostility generated by this carries over into a low-level antipathy towards all cyclists from many walkers. This is a fact and wishful thinking will not alter it. If you feel that your choices are well reasoned and justified then I think you should make your journey as you have intended. You cannot please all of the people all of the time.
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