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I read this as assisting the 'bishop's palace' ie the diocese, to open an albergue at Saviñao, not converting the bishop's home into an albergue. Have I got this wrong?5 million euros are being put aside for albergues, with two mentioned as -- one in the bishop's palace at the church in Diomondi
I think you have misunderstood. There is a bishop's palace - a very modest one - adjoining the church which is earmarked for rebuilding. It is a quite literal statement. https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notic...abo-cinco-anos-espera/0003_201512M16C2991.htmI read this as assisting the 'bishop's palace' ie the diocese, to open an albergue at Saviñao, not converting the bishop's home into an albergue. Have I got this wrong?
12 million for signage?I know we have seen something about this before, but I found this article so astonishing that I thought I would post it.
The article details the following facts:
-- Signage on the Invierno has cost 12 million euros to date.
-- 3 million more will go to signage. Since the Invierno now has more mojones than any other camino I can think of in terms of mojon per km, I cannot imagine where the additional money will go.
-- 1.5 million will be held in reserve for maintenance
-- 5 million euros are being put aside for albergues, with two mentioned as -- one in the bishop's palace at the church in Diomondi (I know some people think that's a great, evocative place to put an albergue but it has absolutely no services anywhere near it. More than that, though, I would think that putting an albergue in a 15th century building would be extremely expensive to meet requirements for historical buildings.) The other place mentioned for an albergue is Rodeiro, which since last year has had a marvelous private albergue in the Hostal Carpinteiras.
I know it is easy to criticize, but I really don't think these bureaucrats have any real connection to the pilgrim community or any real understanding of what the people who walk would actually like to see. Also, this seems to be one of the inevitable consequences of transferring the government's work with the Camino from the departments of culture and history to where it currently is, the Department of Tourism.
If anyone knows of an outlet for this handwringing, it'd be great to know. Is there some vehicle for public input?
Mejoras en el Camino de Invierno con tres millones
El conselleiro de Cultura e Turismo, Román Rodríguez, anunció ayer en Fitur que en febrero será presentado el proyecto de señalización del Camino de I...www.elcorreogallego.es
I have not walked the Invierno (yet), but why mojones? What is wrong with yellow arrows?
I know we have seen something about this before, but I found this article so astonishing that I thought I would post it.
The article details the following facts:
-- Signage on the Invierno has cost 12 million euros to date.
-- 3 million more will go to signage. Since the Invierno now has more mojones than any other camino I can think of in terms of mojon per km, I cannot imagine where the additional money will go.
-- 1.5 million will be held in reserve for maintenance
-- 5 million euros are being put aside for albergues, with two mentioned as -- one in the bishop's palace at the church in Diomondi (I know some people think that's a great, evocative place to put an albergue but it has absolutely no services anywhere near it. More than that, though, I would think that putting an albergue in a 15th century building would be extremely expensive to meet requirements for historical buildings.) The other place mentioned for an albergue is Rodeiro, which since last year has had a marvelous private albergue in the Hostal Carpinteiras.
I know it is easy to criticize, but I really don't think these bureaucrats have any real connection to the pilgrim community or any real understanding of what the people who walk would actually like to see. Also, this seems to be one of the inevitable consequences of transferring the government's work with the Camino from the departments of culture and history to where it currently is, the Department of Tourism.
If anyone knows of an outlet for this handwringing, it'd be great to know. Is there some vehicle for public input?
Mejoras en el Camino de Invierno con tres millones
El conselleiro de Cultura e Turismo, Román Rodríguez, anunció ayer en Fitur que en febrero será presentado el proyecto de señalización del Camino de I...www.elcorreogallego.es
The 2019 Corruption Perception Index places Spain 30th on a list going from least to most corrupt and improving. In contrast, the US is only seven places ahead at 23rd, but it is going backwards down the list. New Zealand tops the list with Denmark as having the lowest perceived levels of public corruption. The top 20 includes Germany, Canada, the UK, Australia, Ireland and Japan.Reminds me of a joke that will be hard to tell without gestures. But I will try. Several corrupt politicians are flying in a plane looking down at the ground below. One says — see that dam? The others nod. Then the first one pats his pocket and says “10%.” The flight continues. The second one says — See that terminal? The others nod. Second one pats his pocket and says “20%.” The flight continues. And the third one says — see that bridge? No one sees a bridge. He pats his pocket and says “100%.” Something like that may be going on here!
At least in Valencia, mojon in most often used to mean "turd". All this talk of mojones is giving me juvenile chuckles. As in "the Invierno has lots of mojones".As far as I know a mojon is a concrete thing with a shell pointing you the way you should go towards Santiago. And in Galicia it gives you the remaining distance to Santiago.
No need to have them if you want to make sure pilgrims find their way to Santiago! In fact a waste of money....
Laurie, as usual, you hit the spot there: 57 euro per fecking meter of the camino, you can make a chain of 5 euro notes to cover the whole camino with that much money!!! The Camino de Invierno, as a Camino, is a joke, and it is a pity because to me it is the wildest of caminos in Galicia, more dramatic than Primitivo. There are lots of meetings, things going on with associations, and where are the results? That Camino will never be popular because it is long, physically demanding, and does not have 100 km rush options.The mojón is one of those granite waymarkers with the shell symbol on it. I think they are called bollards in English, but I am not sure, having never had occasion to use the word in English. I found a picture in our media section. https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/camino-photos/mojon-at-ferreiros.6709/
But Annette, your comment made me think. 15 million euros spread over 260 kms comes out to about 57,000 euros per km to put these things in. That doesn’t pass the straight face test. Reminds me of a joke that will be hard to tell without gestures. But I will try. Several corrupt politicians are flying in a plane looking down at the ground below. One says — see that dam? The others nod. Then the first one pats his pocket and says “10%.” The flight continues. The second one says — See that terminal? The others nod. Second one pats his pocket and says “20%.” The flight continues. And the third one says — see that bridge? No one sees a bridge. He pats his pocket and says “100%.” Something like that may be going on here!
The article says that 12 million has been the investment for all the Caminos in Galicia since 2015. For the Invierno go 3 million.12 million for signage?
No way!
Yes there are a lot of mojons on the Invierno but 12 million!!?
Methinks that money has gone somewhere else ....even 3 million for sinkage seems a bit excessive
No kidding.I really don't think these bureaucrats have any real connection to the pilgrim community or any real understanding of what the people who walk would actually like to see.
Do bureaucrats ever have a connection to anyone (other than themselves) or have any understanding of what people really want?I really don't think these bureaucrats have any real connection to the pilgrim community or any real understanding of what the people who walk would actually like to see.
The article says that 12 million has been the investment for all the Caminos in Galicia since 2015. For the Invierno go 3 million.
Most mojones are in private properties and the owners must be paid.
Oh thank you thank you, @Pelegrin for correcting my mistake. That is a big difference. And for letting us know that it is not so simple as just plunking down a big hunk of granite wherever you feel like. That does make it more understandable. I think the news does a big disservice by throwing these numbers around without context, because to those of us who walk, it is hard to imagine how they can find 3 million more ways to spend a euro to improve signage on the best signed camino in Spain!
Two things:I have just seen yet another article about more money for signage on the Invierno. This one says 1.7 million euros will be split among 14 municipalities. I wonder if this is in addition to the article I (mis)reported a few months ago, or just a follow-up.
Well, that's good to know, as my next pilgrimage will be the Levante from Valencia.At least in Valencia, mojon in most often used to mean "turd". All this talk of mojones is giving me juvenile chuckles. As in "the Invierno has lots of mojones".
The article says that the works also include "acondicionamiento de tramos en mal estado" Improvement of stretches in bad condition.
I'm super late seeing this but I've studied the route and that's quite an undertaking - I hope you get to do it soon and that you love it (what's not to love)! Hoping my Primitivo that got canceled in May becomes a reality soon too. Be well!Well, that's good to know, as my next pilgrimage will be the Levante from Valencia.
I have walked the VdlP so I think I shall be able to manage the Levante, but I agree that I would prefer it to be soon.I'm super late seeing this but I've studied the route and that's quite an undertaking - I hope you get to do it soon and that you love it (what's not to love)! Hoping my Primitivo that got canceled in May becomes a reality soon too. Be well!
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