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Not that I’m aware of but Alverca do Ribatejo, which has several accommodation options, will now be a more feasible option for the first night out of Lisbon, as the new route will cut the walk to Alverca by quite a few kilometres.
Have you estimated how much? I ask because I did a quick estimate on Google maps, and it might only make it a couple of km shorter going closer to the river shore. It would still be in the vicinity of 30 km, not enough to make it workable for me. This was measured from the Igreja de Santiago to the Igreja de Pastorinhos.Not that I’m aware of but Alverca do Ribatejo, which has several accommodation options, will now be a more feasible option for the first night out of Lisbon, as the new route will cut the walk to Alverca by quite a few kilometres.
I might be misremembering what the Via Lusitana folks told me but the number that is coming to mind is 8km. But I agree that that is a bigger reduction than seems possible looking at a map.Have you estimated how much? I ask because I did a quick estimate on Google maps, and it might only make it a couple of km shorter going closer to the river shore.
I have found a figure of 7 km since I posted my query. That might make it about 25 km from Lisbon to Alverca do Ribotejo, depending on exactly where one starts and finishes the day.I might be misremembering what the Via Lusitana folks told me but the number that is coming to mind is 8km. But I agree that that is a bigger reduction than seems possible looking at a map.
There is a jpeg showing the new and old routes in post #4 of the thread @peregrina2000 linked to earlier.
It is called Trilho da Ribeira do Tejo and part of the Rota Europeia E7.Is the new route the light blue line along the river?
Sad for Alpriate. It was a sweet little albergue.
This trail is north of Santarem. It is NOT the section being discussed here.It is called Trilho da Ribeira do Tejo and part of the Rota Europeia E7.
Trilho Panorâmico do Tejo: percurso pedestre Constância - Almourol - Barquinha - VagaMundos
Trilho Panorâmico do Tejo: percurso pedestre Constância - Castelo Almourol - Vila Nova da Barquinha, passadiços, miradouros, mapa e track GPS.www.vagamundos.pt
That is my understanding.
It is called Trilho da Ribeira do Tejo and part of the Rota Europeia E7.
Trilho Panorâmico do Tejo: percurso pedestre Constância - Almourol - Barquinha - VagaMundos
Trilho Panorâmico do Tejo: percurso pedestre Constância - Castelo Almourol - Vila Nova da Barquinha, passadiços, miradouros, mapa e track GPS.www.vagamundos.pt
Yes, Doug is correct. There is a thread about the Trilho Panorâmico do Tejo here.This trail is north of Santarem. It is NOT the section being discussed here.
In Oct 2021, I did what you suggest as your second option given VF de Xira has a very good Apartment/Albergue.I received an email from the management of the albergue in Alpriate saying it is closed permanently. My tentative plan is to walk to Sacavem or Povoa de Santa Iria then train back to Lisbon or to Vila Franca de Xira and back the next morning to continue where we finished. The youth hostel at Parque Das Nacoes is fully booked for our dates (May 14) but plenty of other hostels in Lisbon. There are a couple of hotels near Alpriate as well. What have others done before or are planning to do for this section? Linda
Yes it will. At the Vasco da Gama bridge the new route continues along the river while the old route turned left away from the river towards Sacavém, where the attacks occurred.But the new route looks like it will avoid the area where there had been problems before - the section I didn't enjoy walking alone as a solo female.
Could you describe, which way to use behind Sacavem along the river (Tejo)?At the Vasco da Gama bridge the new route continues along the river while the old route turned left away from the river towards Sacavém
I am also curious about this. Short of building a pedestrian bridge to the east of where the A30 crosses the river, the route shown won't be possible. From memory, the only pedestrian crossing right now is the bridge where the EN10 crosses the Rio Trancao, a little further west.Could you describe, which way to use behind Sacavem along the river (Tejo)?
I am starting in Lisbon in Mid May 2023. I had planned on spending a night at Alpriate, but now see that it is closed. Has anyone stayed at the Bombeioros in Povoa de Santa Iria? I see in the Village to Village Map Guide, that they have cots and floor space. My first night starting from Lisbon the Pousada de Juventud is booked, so I will be training back, but the bombieros seem like a decent option for the second night. Are there any places to eat in Povoa de Santa Iria?
I believe that their information is out of date. Someone like @peregrina2000, @Albertinho or @jungleboy would know. But the bombeiros aren't listed on Wise Pilgrim or Gronze.2023 Village to Village. I guess I will see what happens. It would be nice if the new route opened by mid May
I start walking from Lisbon on April 19th. A solo female pilgrim. My plan heading to Alpriate as the new route won't be open yet. I've read of the attacks in areas leaving Lisbon and am concerned. I've also been following Portuguese news . Stories of increasing crime.I have very fond memories of staying in the Alpriate albergue - and I even managed to get a sandwich and beer in the hunting club bar opposite (other friendly bar was shut that day).
But the new route looks like it will avoid the area where there had been problems before - the section I didn't enjoy walking alone as a solo female.
As much as I hate to admit it, I probably wouldn't walk that section of Sacavem through Alpriate to Alverca on the CP again. I have walked alot alone on caminos and other routes, so walking solo doesn't normally freak me out but I felt very uncomfortable there. I think i would rather take the train out to Alverca even if the attacks there have been isolated incidents untilthenew route opens. I generally found people in Portugal friendly and welcoming, and I really enjoyed the CP!I start walking from Lisbon on April 19th. A solo female pilgrim. My plan heading to Alpriate as the new route won't be open yet. I've read of the attacks in areas leaving Lisbon and am concerned. I've also been following Portuguese news . Stories of increasing crime.
I wouldn't over think things. Crime is still relatively low and pilgrims aren't particular targets - but leaving Lisbon like any big city can have dodgy areas, unfortunately the camino skirts an area that might have a dodgy reputation.I walked from SJDP to Santiago in 2016. As a solo female .
I walked then in considerable pain and limitations....this time more so. So I worry that I will appear an easy target for those looking to harm.
Thank you for your suggestion and honesty
I'm starting from Lisbon on 13th April, solo and senior. I will walk up to Vasco da Gama bridge on my day in Lisbon and take the train back . Then planning on taking transport to Alpriate next day and walking to Villafranca where I have a booking. Now not sure !I walked from SJDP to Santiago in 2016. As a solo female .
I walked then in considerable pain and limitations....this time more so. So I worry that I will appear an easy target for those looking to harm.
Thank you for your suggestion and honesty
I had zero issues during the walk from Alpriate to Vila Franca de Xira last year. It was a rather pleasant day of walking.I'm starting from Lisbon on 13th April, solo and senior. I will walk up to Vasco da Gama bridge on my day in Lisbon and take the train back . Then planning on taking transport to Alpriate next day and walking to Villafranca where I have a booking. Now not sure !
When I faced a similar dilemma last year, I repeated this process. Staying in Lisbon for three nights and Santarem for two, and using public transport to get back and forth. I turned out to be a little more complicated than that at Santarem, but only because I took the opportunity to take the bus out to Muge on the second day at Santarem, where I had stopped at Porto do Muge the previous day.I'm starting from Lisbon on 13th April, solo and senior. I will walk up to Vasco da Gama bridge on my day in Lisbon and take the train back . Then planning on taking transport to Alpriate next day and walking to Villafranca where I have a booking. Now not sure !
Hi, I’m going to do the same Camino and just realised that I have the same problem… no idea where to stay for the first night. I’m also leaving on the 1. May from LisbonHi
I’m going to walk my first camino starting on 1. May. I Can not find af place to stat for the Night arround Alpriate ? The place a closed? What to do?
Sorry, I just saw that you wrote this on the 9. April…did you find a solution for the first night? Thank youHi
I’m going to walk my first camino starting on 1. May. I Can not find af place to stat for the Night arround Alpriate ? The place a closed? What to do?
See some of the earlier posts about how others have managed this.Hi
I’m going to walk my first camino starting on 1. May. I Can not find af place to stat for the Night arround Alpriate ? The place a closed? What to do?
We are starting Lisbon on April 8 and had not heard anything about the change to the way around Alpriate. Have you got any information if the way has changed and if so where is the actual route pleaseThe reason the albergue has closed is because the camino is being rerouted away from Alpriate (and Sacavém) in favour of a new riverside exit from Lisbon (after Parque das Nações). I don’t know if the new route will be ready by May but if it is, that should give you more options. My advice would be to stay flexible for now (ie not lock yourself into accommodation bookings) and hope that the new route is ready by the time you start your walk.
This is a current thread that has information about the changes here: Starting in LisbonWe are starting Lisbon on April 8 and had not heard anything about the change to the way around Alpriate. Have you got any information if the way has changed and if so where is the actual route please
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