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Good question. I wondered whether the campsite of the Roncesvalles albergue was closed down by the regional government several years ago too for sanitary and safety reasons but don't remember. @Ianinam, can people put up tents these days?I have seen tents outside before now
Surely you would have rejoiced that the Camino provides a taxi to Espinal or even to Pamplona for you?If I'd found a "complet" sign at Roncesvalles on my first day, I'm not sure how I would have coped with that!
Not if it meant missing out sections so early!Surely you would have rejoiced that the Camino provides a taxi to Espinal or even to Pamplona for you?
Not if it meant missing out sections so early!
And a disconnect with those people you'd already met too...The temptation would be to taxi back to Roncesvalles in the morning I think ... the hospitelaros are as helpful as possible but can you imagine that feeling, when you arrive, tired after walking over a mountain, to be told that you have to taxi miles down route, maybe even to Pamplona?
The time, the cost, the disappointment .... ?
@Ianinam, I wish you'd be volunteering in the Roncesvalles albergue during the whole season and regularly keep us up to dateYears ago we had approx. 400 beds. [...] So officially we have now 91 beds in the albergue (50% of the capacity due to covid regulations); this may be more in case of families and groups, who do not have to keep distance, plus the 20 beds in the winter albergue. And that's it ....
Ianinam,Yes, tents are welcome. We have many nice places for small tents, people in tents can use all the facilities (toilets, showers, laundry) of the albergue.
This is good to hear and links with a discussion last year.Yes, tents are welcome. We have many nice places for small tents, people in tents can use all the facilities (toilets, showers, laundry) of the albergue.
A couple of years ago, I arrived (with reservations) to a foyer full of crying, desperate pilgrims who were told "no beds!" From that day forward, I have warned people to book, despite all those who walked years ago and said, "Don't worry, just go!" That is no longer good advice unless you have no schedule and no time limit. I'm not saying it is not the BEST way to go - but if you're on a schedule, not the smartest.The temptation would be to taxi back to Roncesvalles in the morning I think ... the hospitelaros are as helpful as possible but can you imagine that feeling, when you arrive, tired after walking over a mountain, to be told that you have to taxi miles down route, maybe even to Pamplona?
The time, the cost, the disappointment .... ?
I tell people that all the time. The etapas are not set in stone. Just walk! Many of the BEST places, in my opinion, are between stages.I turned to Booking.com and now have a bunk at Albergue Irugoienea Espinal-Auzperri on August 29th just down the road from Roncesvalles. Look around, we are not tied to a specific town just because a guidebook sets it as a stage. And, much cheaper in time and money than a taxi.
Hi, I am walking the Camino and my husband is driving out small campervan, would we be able to park at roncevalles?Years ago we had approx. 400 beds. Apart from the albergue itself (183 beds) we had beds in portocabins and in so-called borda's on the campamento, furthermore we had the sótano with 40 beds. Since a few years we are not allowed to use the Campamento due to government regulations, and we are no longer allowed to use the sótano due to fire-safety regulations. We still use the overflow of the 'winter albergue' with 20 beds. So officially we have now 91 beds in the albergue (50% of the capacity due to covid regulations); this may be more in case of families and groups, who do not have to keep distance, plus the 20 beds in the winter albergue. And that's it ....
On the main road in Roncesvalles you will see a small side turning next to the Posada restaurant. Turn down there, it curves left and then unexpectedly is revealed a really big car park - coaches park there too - and you can walk from there to the entrance to the refugio that pilgrims arrive at, only a hundred metres.Hi, I am walking the Camino and my husband is driving out small campervan, would we be able to park at roncevalles?
, we are not tied to a specific town just because a guidebook sets it as a stage.
The thing is, after you've made it over the Pyrenees to Roncesvalles, who has the strength to carry on?
Hello everyone,
1st time posting here, starting my 1st Camino August 17th. I'm wondering if I should take a bivy with me so that I will never have to worry about not having a place to stay. Would that be advisable?
Agree with @SabineP and also note another possible option: taxi ahead then back to start next day (or skip that portionThe thing is, after you've made it over the Pyrenees to Roncesvalles, who has the strength to carry on?
Thank you so so much for all of this really useful information. We will probably sleep in the camper most nights but would happily pay to use the facilities in the albergues. We will also eat out every night too. My husband hopes to do some days walking with me and those days we hope to park up for a couple of nights and use albergues then. The plan is to follow the John Brierley book 'roughly' but obviously if I need to stop sooner or can walk longer then we will do that.On the main road in Roncesvalles you will see a small side turning next to the Posada restaurant. Turn down there, it curves left and then unexpectedly is revealed a really big car park - coaches park there too - and you can walk from there to the entrance to the refugio that pilgrims arrive at, only a hundred metres.
No charge, no time limits. I knew a chap who parked a converted bus there, and returned after Camino.
The car park slopes a little - most level for parking a camper (and having a comfy night) is along the far end right hand side, facing inwards.
If your stop next day is Zubiri the municipal has a car park in front of the front door, off road.
Larrasoana, parking in front of the municipal.
Pamplona is tricky for parking a camper as you can't get into the underground car parks. There is lots of street parking but you might drive round for an hour trying to get a space. Better to walk through to Cizur Menor where the only refugio there has parking outside for a couple of vehicles.
At Puente La Reina stay at refugio Santiago Apostol, which is up a track after crossing the medieval bridge. Is a modern building with superb facilities though the building is ugly. Has parking in front, a campsite with shower blocks, and a swimming pool. Good quality plain cheap meals and cheap wine - friendly hospitelaros, one named Stalin! what's not to like! To drive to Apostol you need to leave town on the main road and come back on it from the other side.
Hope this helps! - if you have a fixed stages plan message me with your list and I will let you know parking facilities but if you are winging it, stopping when you get tired, then there would be too many!!
forgot to say! There is a car park at Eunate!! very quiet, free, campers do stop over but the likelihood is that you would be there by yourself or just one or two others - is marvellous to sit at Eunate when the stars are out xx
I don’t know if covid rules would allow, but I imagine albergues are desperate for money and may let people camp on their grounds for a nominal fee if their allotted beds are filled. Maybe not but couldn’t hurt to ask. Buen CaminoHello everyone,
1st time posting here, starting my 1st Camino August 17th. I'm wondering if I should take a bivy with me so that I will never have to worry about not having a place to stay. Would that be advisable?
If you've spent the night in Orisson its not too bad.The thing is, after you've made it over the Pyrenees to Roncesvalles, who has the strength to carry on?
I'd say mostly because many people don't know that it exists!I fail to understand why more people do not start in Madrid. It is a two week Frances with mountains, forest and Meseta. Then when you reach Sahagun you have the option to follow the Frances to Santiago, head north on the San Salvador when you reach Leon and finish on the Primitivo from Oviedo or continue on to the Norte. You can also stay on the Frances and pick up the Invierno at Ponferada. So many options without the extra stress of additional travel to other starting points.
Or alternately bring a warm sleeping bag and bug spray and sleep under the stars? Seems like there is more planning to do now that things are being handled differently around Covid. I can hardly wait until we can set a new norm and get back to it.Pilgrims, be prepared! Holiday-season has started last weekend in France and in Spain. In Roncesvalles it is very busy this week and during the last days the albergue has been totally full as we are not allowed to use all the beds because of the Covid measurements for keeping distance.
This means that many pilgrims had to be referred to other places, but every time it turns out that all albergues and hostals are full up to Pamplona.
Taxi’s come and go and it is a great disappointment for many pilgrims that, after their tiring walk over the Pyrenees, they cannot find a bed in Roncesvalles and far beyond.
So if you want to cross the Pyrenees in the next weeks: arrange your bed in time and therefore: book in advance!
Speaking as someone who plans to do exactly that combination next time I get the chance (Madrid/San Salvador/Primitivo) I still understand entirely why people choose to walk the Frances, especially first time pilgrims. It is the route that they have seen on TV or movies and read about in books. It is the one that has guide books written about it (since the 12th century). It is the one that for centuries has brought millions from across Europe to Santiago. Now, it is the one with the most infrastructure, and the strongest community of fellow pilgrims for mutual support. It really isn't that hard to understand what draws people to it.I fail to understand why more people do not start in Madrid. It is a two week Frances with mountains, forest and Meseta. Then when you reach Sahagun you have the option to follow the Frances to Santiago, head north on the San Salvador when you reach Leon and finish on the Primitivo from Oviedo or continue on to the Norte. You can also stay on the Frances and pick up the Invierno at Ponferada. So many options without the extra stress of additional travel to other starting points.
Absolutely.Speaking as someone who plans to do exactly that combination next time I get the chance (Madrid/San Salvador/Primitivo) I still understand entirely why people choose to walk the Frances, especially first time pilgrims. It is the route that they have seen on TV and read about in books. It is the one that has guide books written about it (since the 12th century). It is the one that for centuries has brought millions from across Europe to Santiago. Now, it is the one with the most infrastructure, and the strongest community of fellow pilgrims for mutual support. It really isn't that hard to understand what draws people to it.
The wonderful thing about Spanish Camino's is they all have great infrastructure. The only thing Madrid, San Salvador, Mozarabe and others do not have are Pilgrims. The Mozarabe, imo, has the most supportive local community. What the Frances offers is the most convenient Camino. There are only two days you have to walk more than 17 km's and there are lots of Pilgrims.Speaking as someone who plans to do exactly that combination next time I get the chance (Madrid/San Salvador/Primitivo) I still understand entirely why people choose to walk the Frances, especially first time pilgrims. It is the route that they have seen on TV or movies and read about in books. It is the one that has guide books written about it (since the 12th century). It is the one that for centuries has brought millions from across Europe to Santiago. Now, it is the one with the most infrastructure, and the strongest community of fellow pilgrims for mutual support. It really isn't that hard to understand what draws people to it.
If you know of a resource like Gitlitz and Davidson's The Pilgrimage Road to Santiago: The Complete Cultural Handbook for any other Camino route, I'm very interested to learn of it.The wonderful thing about Spanish Camino's is they all have great infrastructure. The only thing Madrid, San Salvador, Mozarabe and others do not have are Pilgrims. The Mozarabe, imo, has the most supportive local community. What the Frances offers is the most convenient Camino. There are only two days you have to walk more than 17 km's and there are lots of Pilgrims.
That said, it is not the easiest to get too. Especially if you are starting in SJPdP.
I understand there is more information on the French route. That said, with the internet, Forums, Gronze and other websites, there is more than enough information on the on all the available Camino's.
In the past, I could understand people gravitating towards the French route. Now, with easy access to information on the other Camino's, I do not understand Peregrino's putting themselves through additional travel to walk the French vs. other more accessible camino routes.
You will enjoy the Madrid, San Salvador, Primitivo but do not expect much company until the Primitivo.
Best regards,
Joe
The history and Culture of the Camino, while interesting, are not why I walk or what my continued journeys are about. My walk is more introspective. I am looking for time alone to self examine and develop a plan to change something about myself to improve and grow as a human being. They are small changes but doable.If you know of a resource like Gitlitz and Davidson's The Pilgrimage Road to Santiago: The Complete Cultural Handbook for any other Camino route, I'm very interested to learn of it.
Are there generally taxis available in Roncesvalles ?Agree with @SabineP and also note another possible option: taxi ahead then back to start next day (or skip that portion). This is the time of summer vacation, albergues have covid rule occupancy limits, it’s a Holy Year (I believe) and lots of people wanting to travel after the last year locked down. I think it could be an expensive time to walk. Good luck to everyone doing it and Buen Camino!
I don’t think there’s a taxi service out of there (could be wrong) but there are taxis ferrying walkers from Pamplona to Roncesvalles and SJPdP that would otherwise be returning empty so could probably be found willing to take you with them (for a price). I took a taxi to SJPdP and I think he was going to check at Roncesvalles before heading home. The OP mentioned taxis coming and going from Roncesvalles so you might ask them. Pensions where you are headed may be willing to pick you up.Are there generally taxis available in Roncesvalles ?
CheersI don’t think there’s a taxi service out of there (could be wrong) but there are taxis ferrying walkers from Pamplona to Roncesvalles and SJPdP that would otherwise be returning empty so could probably be found willing to take you with them (for a price). I took a taxi to SJPdP and I think he was going to check at Roncesvalles before heading home. The OP mentioned taxis coming and going from Roncesvalles so you might ask them. Pensions where you are headed may be willing to pick you up.
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