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As a Protestant...

In 2013 I both saw signs (in several languages) stating the same thing in the Cathedral in Santander; no announcement (that I noticed/recall) but a security guard walked up to me to tell me. I would have thought the fact I was on my knees praying would have outweighed my backpack, but I thanked her in Spanish and explained my desire to attend Mass....so she let me stay.
 
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For foot/knee ailing pilgrims there is also the, perfectly acceptable, version of kneeling whilst your backside is still resting on the pew. You show respect but at the same time you don't have your full weight on your knees. Basically start by sitting down, slip gently forward and let your knees touch the 'knee rest' whilst your behind is still supported by the pew. Perfect pilgrims rest position in church.
Buen Camino, SY
 
I was brought up by Baptists and went to a CofE school. My policy in churches in Spain is very simple: I stand up when others do. I sit when others kneel and have never felt awkward doing so. I don't curtsey to the altar or cross myself, go near the holy water, and I don't go up for communion. And I get my cheek pinched by old ladies, so I must be doing OK.
 
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I'm going to apologize in advance because I'm going to point out a technicality and I'm well aware not everyone likes it. There isn't mass on Good Friday.

Yes thank you for pointing it out , it is of course a service seeing there is no Consecration until the Easter Mass.

Then again please also take into consideration that english is not my native language so I tend to make errors.

All in all : Mass or Service, kneeling or sitting, Communion or not :
Where people of Goodwill come together to praise God and listen to his gospel I don't worry about semantics but try to focus on the broader meaning. And being part of a community.
Think this will be my last word on this subject seeing this technical approach is not what I think religion is about.
 
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There are a lot of non-native speakers (including me) participating in this (for me) highly interesting thread ;-)
Just lets be gentle with each other and, if in doubt, assume the best intention ;-)
Buen Camino, SY
 
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About 10-15 minuts before the service you are now asked to leave the cathedral if you are not there to worship.
That is in Santiago, we attended a mass at the cathedral in Pamplona held in a side chapel in the rear of the church. While the priest was conducting the service a deacon had to get up, walk into the main part of the church and quiet the tourists with the loudest and most intimidating "Shhh!" I ever heard.
 
Think this will be my last word on this subject seeing this technical approach is not what I think religion is about.

I'm really sorry if you decide to leave the thread due to my well-intended comment and I would feel better if you didn't leave.

I'm used to make that comment because when I make it here in Spain, usually, people weren't aware of it (i.e.: they weren't aware there's no mass on Good Friday) and welcome the comment. Of course, I'm aware that technicalities aren't everyone's cup of tea and that's why I apologized in advance.

I don't pretend to turn the thread into a technical one. Except that comment and a brief one I made saying Roman Catholic rules don't stipulate blessings at communion time, I think the rest of what I wrote on this thread is based on common usage in Spain regardless what technicallity may say. I pretend to keep the same line (i.e.: talk about common usage regardless what technicallity may say) because I'm not a fan of technicallities and because I lack of knowledge to talk about technicallities (with a few odd exceptions).

Oh, and I'm not a native English speaker either so inaccuracies, wrong grammar usage, mixing of words and other mistakes in English language use may happen and indeed they happen on my posts (more frequently than I'd like, BTW). Thankfully people on the forum is nice enough as to not make of it a big deal.

Once said all that, let me apologize, once again, if my post annoyed you or if you didn't feel comfortable with it. My most sincere apologies.
 
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Hi Jakke. I think that because you were respectful and sensitive enough to ask your question in the first place, you will be absolutely fine in any Mass you attend.

My only addition to the wealth of information above is to point out that Catholics genuflect or bow in the direction of the altar before they take their seat. Without going into the theological reasons for that, I suggest that you may feel comfortable doing your own version of that before you sit down - or even just pausing respectfully before moving into the pew.

With both Protestants and Catholics in our family, my suggestion is to maybe "just nod your head once, slowly and respectfully - to Jesus - or God the Father - whatever is meaningful to you" before entering the pew.

God bless you - and Buen Camino.
 
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My only addition to the wealth of information above is to point out that Catholics genuflect or bow in the direction of the altar before they take their seat.

That might be theory. Common usage in Spain is another story. Many people that don't have to pass through the aisle in front of the altar don't genuflect or bow before they take their seat. Among the people that has to pass through the aisle in front of the altar there's more people that genuflect or bow but not everybody makes it.
 
At my daughters Catholic high school the priest entered the mass procession with a lap top held over his head instead of the bible. The laptop of course had the text of the bible called up. A modern touch and a sign of things to come. The kids appreciated it and were invited to call up the readings on their mobile phones.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
At Easter in Malaga I saw a large crucifix being carried in a procession that had a GoPro affixed above Christ's head.
 
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Thanks for clarifying, Castilian. It's so easy to get caught up in one's own local customs
 
Thanks for your answer, it is very nice to read that everyone should and can be treated with respect and kindness and welcomed with grace.
 
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As a Protestant, I've been privileged to work, live & pray with Catholics (& other Christian denominations) in various countries over the past 45 years, including with Catholic nuns and Jesuit priests in Rome in the late 70s, and ecumenical retreats in Switzerland during the last 15 years.
As long as I've shown respect to fellow worshippers, I've never felt that I was in the wrong place.
A lot of great advice (& fascinating information) has been given in this thread, but if you come away with anything @Jakke, I think it is to respect the worshippers around you (& find a little old lady to sit behind )
Buen Camino Suzanne
 

I followed the adage of "do whatever the local people do," including the kneeling. But I know not everyone is comfortable doing that. So what I wanted to mention, for those conscientious non-Catholics who don't want to offend anyone, was that I noticed that even some seemingly-Catholic people did not kneel every time. I say "seemingly-Catholic" because I don't actually know if they were Catholic, but to my (non-Catholic) eyes they looked like local people and they seemed to know all the rituals, songs, prayers, etc. of the mass.

Perhaps some didn't kneel due to age/infirmity, I don't know. Others, sometimes looked as if they were sitting in prayer instead. No one gave any dirty looks or anything like that.

Anyway, my point is to reassure a worried non-Catholic who chooses not to kneel for whatever reason, that they would probably not be the *only one* not kneeling, and probably not offend anyone, if they just kept sitting instead. I think keeping a respectful/attentive attitude is the most important part.

P.S. Thanks to the moderators for allowing this discussion about politeness and basic protocols in churches. I think it's a topic most pilgrims worry about, because they want to be able to visit these spaces and be respectful and not cause offense. I can totally understand not wanting to include any "religious debate" on the forum, which is a totally different thing.
 
Phew!

I am absolutely shattered, worn-out and exhausted.

I read all the posts here one-at-time, imagined myself at worship and tried do each variation of standing, kneeling and sitting each time.

Think I'll just wait outside church next time to be safe.

Buen (worshipping-in-whatever-way you-can) Camino
 
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Regarding kneeling - It is also widely understood by the kind people that live alongside the Camino that kneeling (and getting up again!!!) can be too much for wary pilgrim legs ;-) Buen Camino, SY
 
I know Castilian towns where on (some) weddings there were just a few men in church while the rest of them where waiting outside at the closest bar.
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I have also seen men outside the church in a Sunday mass in a small village on the camino. Six women attended the Sunday service, but a quantity of men (I am uncertain how many) were outside the church both before and after the service. They seemed to want to chat with the priest, who was delayed in conversations with men both before and after the service, but they did not enter the church.
 
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There was (and there's still) people that had (and have) the idea that mass (and most -if not all- things about religion) was (is) a women's thing. (Some) Men with that point of view accompanied women (wife, female family members, female guests, female frieds...) to the church but instead of getting inside to attend whatever religious act was going to take place, those men waited outside (many times in the nearest bar) till women were done with their things. Nowadays, you may see it yet on some places but it's getting more usual to don't bother to accompany someone to church if you don't plan to attend whatever religious act is going to take place (just going -at most- at the stimated ending time of the religious act to meet the person who attended).
 
Reminds me of a time on the Via de la Plata this year when the priest praised those men that had actually accompanied their wives to church and stayed for mass ;-) Buen Camino, SY
 
I noticed that this was posted in the Variante Espiritual section, I din't know if it was by mistake, but in case it was meant to be in that sub-forum I would not worry as I doubt the OP will find many services to attend, let alone pilgrim blessings. Even at tne Armenteira monastery there was no mass but vespers, which were cancelled the evening I was there, replaced by a wedding.
 
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Kneeling
You do if you can.
I sit because if i kneel, the back issues i have will compete with my attention.

Its understood that if your injured,infirm or aged..your good.
Its the effort above all that counts..the folks around me know my varuous issues.

Those wonderfull,wondrous little old ladies,widows some
Will give me a hand,,or arm to get up
Give an appraising look and approve.

Country life does this hardening to these Women.
The Priest or Deacon will walk back and serve those that are infirm.

Its not your lack of knowledge nor fear of making mistakes..
It that you try your best and show up.

Go in Sir..your heart is beautiful and in the right place
Find a measure of rest and peace.
 

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That is what I am hoping for as well. Shalom to you!
 
 
Remember, the Catholic church, the individual parish's welcomes all those who believe in our Lord to worship. What it does not allow is receiving communion if you are not a practicing Catholic. So please pray often be it in a Catholic church, a Protestant church or on top of O'Cebreiro....your prayers are heard.

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In my experience, as a spiritual but not religious person, the Camino today is the best of all faiths. I went into every church (that was unlocked) and sat in respectfully on a number of masses. I was told by a priest that my work was important 'work of the soul' and it did not matter my faith. Another priest reminded us of the way going back before the start of christianity and told me he thought the catholic church was the group currently quested to protect it's importance to humanity. It was a very accepting, amazing experience in terms of religion and spirituality for me.
 

Ahh The Voice of Reason, matched by Tinkatinkers commendably even handed Pagan moderation !
 

If I remember correctly, this was my mistake. I did not realize then that the Variante Espiritual is an actual camino. I just presumed this was the right place to address more or less spiritual matters. This discussion has been informative and funny at times. Thanks!
 
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Too funny! The Variante Espiritual is a 3 day detour or the Portuguese, but certainly has much less religious or spiritual components than the Frances, other than the fact that the river walk is like being in a Lord of th Rings movie, or that the boat ride is supposed to be the way St-James came in to Spain.
 
not to mention the great early/late riser schism
 
Re comings and goings: Others may come late or leave early, but I don't know the reasons--perhaps everyone knows that particular family has a child with special, unpredictable needs, or that woman is working three jobs since her husband died, etc...but I am a stranger and they are welcoming me into their parish church, where they have worshiped their entire life. So I do my best to come on time, be polite, smile, and thank everyone for their generosity. I'm also kind of adsorbed with the business at hand in church, so couldn't tell you when people come and go if my life depended on it.
 
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Very confusing, until I recently asked a Spanish friend to clarify ! We'd both attended a Catholic Colegio Mayor whilst at Uni and it was simple then... I wondered if things had changed. Well no, she said, but people do it very much their way now i.e. my knees hurt so I don't kneel, I just stay up or I'm too frail to kneel so I sit down....
I just love the way it is done in Spain, yes people often (always, even! ) turn up late for Mass in my local church but at least they come.... All the Masses on a Sunday are well attended and there are many.
I have also been guilty of entering a church not knowing there was a Mass going on. Happened in Santander recently, went early as we wanted to light a candle for my friend's father as it was the anniversary of his death. If it is done discreetly, no hassle and no, we didn't stay for Communion, sadly we had a flight to catch
 
As a Protestant within a family of pastors in 5 generations, I have always had a split relationship with the Church, but not with the services.
25 yrs ago, I joined a Gregorian Schola Cantorum. We are singing pre Refomation material in Danish and sometimes Latin for educational purposes.
It was therefore a sheer deligt to encounter the Salve Regina as regular ingredient into mass in Spanish churches. I now always carry a copy of the Latin version in both my rucksacks.
I feel included when I come into a Catholic mass, I always find it important to greet the altar and remember why I´ve come and I delight in the togetherness of the crowd gathered in the beautiful room, knowing that it takes all kinds....when nationalities are called out we recognize each other as guest in a foreign place, but welcomed....
My favourite mass is taken in Carrion de los Condes, and when the sun is out, they will open the big doors and the light flood in.
We are living in a secular world when we work but somewhere there is an appropriate place for contemplation and introspection and I found both in the churches and Cathedrals of Spain, but also in the outdoor open on the Camino.
Not wearing any musical players, I enjoy my musical choir snippets or any music that occupy my mind...
 
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A resurrection of an old thread (@Stivandrer the previous post was nearly a year ago) - so a reminder to everyone that discussion of religion is not allowed. We do allow some leeway to provide straightforward information and personal recollections, but no opinions, no preaching or proselytising.
 
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Bravo! An excellent post which exhibits a true spirit of ecumenism on many points.We should all be so open-minded and appreciative of the traditions of others.
 
This is an old, pre-camino thread. My own thoughts are now informed by both the C.P. and the VdlP. That means lots of great experiences and discussions. To fellow Protestants: be sensitive, be polite, and you'll be blessed!
 
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