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You pay it at the cathedral, and it may take a couple of weeks lead time. There are different rates for different groups, so 300E may or may not apply.It is my understanding that pilgrims can make a 300 Euro donation to insure that the botafumeiro at a specific mass.
Does anyone know who that is paid to, and how it is paid?
Thank you.
Historically, no.Is it possible to find out if the botafumerio has been booked/ordered for a specific date?
... there is something awe inspiring about sitting under the swinging Botafumeiro. I also think it is wonderful that a 1000 year old spectacle can still bring gasps from a modern audience. For all our technology.
Perhaps, but not because they want to see the botafumeiro swinging. It has been an integral part of the Catholic service for hundreds of years. Is your post a bit demeaning to the motivations of others?Ok, I get it, I think some people see it as the camino equivalent of the Disney Fireworks Show - "see the finale, then go home".
... It has been an integral part of the Catholic service for hundreds of years.
.....like this:......Make sure you do NOT sit facing the alter! Best views are from the side pews when it flies over your head.
A Google translation from the Cathedral website (a bit different from the same page in English; it lists a means of contacting the office to pay for a swinging).
When the Botafumeiro works
Botafumeiro used for liturgical reasons, just as any priest would use a censer on the altar, and you can see the following day Eucharistic celebration:
- The Epiphany: 6 January
- Easter Sunday
- The Ascension
- The Apparition of Apostle Clavijo: May 23
- Pentecost
- The Martyrdom of St. James: July 25
- The Assumption of Mary: August 15
- All Saints Day: November 1
- Christ the King
- The Immaculate Conception: 8 December
- Christmas: December 25
- Transfer of Remains of the Apostle: December 30
You can also operate the Botafumeiro during pilgrimages that have applied it to the Cathedral.
Botafumeiro To reserve should be directed to e-mail:botafumeiro@catedraldesantiago.es.
The burning of incense is a fundamental part of every service of Christian worship.
I prefer not get carried away with the theatre of the Botafumeiro but I try to understand its purpose and it's relevance in the Mass at end of the pilgrimage.
If "it" swings, "it" swings - incense will still be burnt.
Dax
In Pune, (a work in progress)
I am trying to plan my timetable and my lift home around a Friday... because I so want to watch this spectacle.
The burning of incense is a fundamental part of every service of Christian worship.
I prefer not get carried away with the theatre of the Botafumeiro but I try to understand its purpose and it's relevance in the Mass at end of the pilgrimage.
If "it" swings, "it" swings - incense will still be burnt.
I'm sorry, but after travelling 8454 kilometres from where I live in the USA to SJPP and then walking 800 km to Santiago, I want to see the Boafumeiro swing. And I'm an Athiest.
Dax
In Pune, (a work in progress)
I am with you there. I am currently in Sahagun ( halfway! ) , just under 3 weeks to Santiago. I booked my trip dates starting with being in SdC on a Friday to ensure I see the Botafumeiro. And I am an atheist, too.I'm sorry, but after traveling 8454 km from USA to SJPP, and then walking 800 Km to Santiago, I want to see the Botafumeiro swing. And I'm an Atheist.
Glad you mentioned this, Xin.. Very impressive sight, but most people were more impressed with the woman singing during the services.
The burning of incense is a fundamental part of every service of Christian worship.
John, you might like to comment on the perception that is around, that swinging the bota is somehow commercialised. I presume that the eight men involved are well trained in what the are doing, and there are safety issues involved. We can hardly expect these people to turn up at every Cathedral mass for our benefit without renumeration.To clarify some of the misinformation given:
Thank you Katharina. Much appreciated!And for me, that means also taking no photos, taking no videos
Thanks, Katharina for your comments...........And for me, that means also taking no photos, taking no videos.
If I understand correctly, the "audience" even applauds afterwards?
I could not agree more. And thank you for pointing out that a thurible is not commonplace in all Christian services as someone else said earlier - it is not used in Lutheran/Protestant services for examples. I belong to the latter but I do attend Catholic services from time to time. Of course I would like to the see the Botafumeiro swing but if I am there I will be attending mass and not a spectacle to which I have a right after all my travelling and walking. And for me, that means also taking no photos, taking no videos.
If I understand correctly, the "audience" even applauds afterwards?[/QUOTE
I don't plan on applauding. Or photographing this "spectacle". However, I do appreciate ritual and spiritual events, even as an atheist. I certainly don't lay claim to them for any reason. But I do plan on staying in Santiago long enough to watch the Boafumeiro swing. And why not??
If I understand correctly, the "audience" even applauds afterwards?
Katharina, I couldn't get in to this site. is the above correct?
For goodness sakes. Joy in religion? What next?The fact that these kids were excited to be inside the cathedral far outweighed any preconceived notions of what should be considered "proper".
If you want too much information in English:A physical model of the movement of the Botafumiero
Wow, Falcon! Some fascinating stuff here. The first section had me hooked; accidents, the significance of rope thickness, and the the description of the complexity of the movement. The conclusion about the impossibility of achieving such a feat in a Gothic cathedral is eye-opening. Incidentally, hmmm....... despite my background , I skipped the pages of maths! As you say, way too much.If you want too much information in English:
Sorry Dax, but its no fuss it's a part of history iff you liked or not, Peter.Why all the fuss about "it" swinging?
Dax
In Pune, (a work in progress)
Hi, I arrived yesterday in Santiago after my journey from SJPDP. I went to the pilgrims service today and the Botafumeiro swing today and for me it was a moving experience. It did something with me. Wish you well, Peter.I think this is it for me... I'm not a Catholic, but the history and the location and the setting and all the millions that have been before us... well, if I'm lucky enough to reach Santiago I imagine it will be a very moving and emotional occasion.
Katharina you must be an amazing internet searcher!Yes, the link works correctly, I have checked it several times now. The site has got formulas, but also an animation (if that is the right word).
Interesting. I searched around a bit and found a link to the script ( http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/1492-Conquest-of-Paradise.html ), .
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