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peregrinorog

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Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2005/11/13, Norte 2007, Portuguese 2011, ViaDP 2013, Primitivo 2015/17, Madrid 2017, El Salv
In April/May this year I walked the Camino Olvidado, via Vegacervera after extracting as much information from the various threads in the Forum and Ender's Guide kindly posted by Peregrina 2000. I can vouch for its beauty, except perhaps the initial 50ks from Bilbao, as well as its capability to test your fitness. However, I found Ender's Guide, in several places, inaccurate and confusing, also the marking varied greatly. As a consequence I have written a detailed Guide in English and given it to the CSJ. The basic information may be found on their website under routes in Spain. The Guide is available by emailing CSJ.

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Aglass

Andrew
Camino(s) past & future
Walked el Camino Frances in 2003. Did the Primitivo in August 13 and Ruta lebaniega in July 14. Summer 2016 - Camino del Salvador.
One day: Ruta de la Plata into the Sanabres, maybe part of the Norte, and perhaps the Olvidado.
In April/May this year I walked the Camino Olvidado, via Vegacervera after extracting as much information from the various threads in the Forum and Ender's Guide kindly posted by Peregrina 2000. I can vouch for its beauty, except perhaps the initial 50ks from Bilbao, as well as its capability to test your fitness. However, I found Ender's Guide, in several places, inaccurate and confusing, also the marking varied greatly. As a consequence I have written a detailed Guide in English and given it to the CSJ. The basic information may be found on their website under routes in Spain. The Guide is available by emailing CSJ.

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Thank you As. I plan to set off on 10 Or 11 July. Any chance you could post a copy here? CSJ are not always the quickest at replying. Thanks. Andrew
 

Aisling Collins

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Have walked Camino Frances.
Planning to walk Lisbon - Santiago July 20th, 2014....
Thank you As. I plan to set off on 10 Or 11 July. Any chance you could post a copy here? CSJ are not always the quickest at replying. Thanks. Andrew
Yes, I sent an email off to the CSJ yesterday, however received automatic reply that they are away for a few weeks.
 

peregrinorog

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2005/11/13, Norte 2007, Portuguese 2011, ViaDP 2013, Primitivo 2015/17, Madrid 2017, El Salv
Freddy of CSJ is away until 28th June. If you email, orders@csj.org.uk, this address will be covered by staff on Tues 25 and Sat 29 June between 10.30 and 17.00. Otherwise tel 0207 928 9988. At present the Guide is available on a donativo basis and at present I believe it is in booklet form. However, if you request an email copy to be sent to you, they will probably do this. If there is sufficient demand CSJ will print the guide in their normal format.
Enjoy the Olvidado!
 

toscamulder

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Oviedo to Santiago de Compostela (2019)
Thank you As. I plan to set off on 10 Or 11 July. Any chance you could post a copy here? CSJ are not always the quickest at replying. Thanks. Andrew
Hi! I'm also leaving the 10th from Bilbao. :) Do you know if many people walk/cycle the Olvidado?
 

Aisling Collins

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Have walked Camino Frances.
Planning to walk Lisbon - Santiago July 20th, 2014....
Hi! I'm also leaving the 10th from Bilbao. :) Do you know if many people walk/cycle the Olvidado?
I have a flight tomorrow night into Santander.
Was hoping to get a blablacar direct, but they keep "rejecting my requests" 😂😂😂. My "Google translate Spanish" must be brutal. I really do not want to sleep in Santander.. always walk through it.

Hopefully will arrive to Bilbao Wednesday ... And may walk out a bit and train back first day, as nursing a sprained ankle. Then repeat
train out next morning...
I hope to go slower than normal, so may be passed out at some stage.😂
 

toscamulder

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Oviedo to Santiago de Compostela (2019)
I have a flight tomorrow night into Santander.
Was hoping to get a blablacar direct, but they keep "rejecting my requests" 😂😂😂. My "Google translate Spanish" must be brutal. I really do not want to sleep in Santander.. always walk through it.

Hopefully will arrive to Bilbao Wednesday ... And may walk out a bit and train back first day, as nursing a sprained ankle. Then repeat
train out next morning...
I hope to go slower than normal, so may be passed out at some stage.😂
Courageous to start out with a sprained ankle :) Bursitis in my big toe has made me change my plans from walking into cycling the camino. But I cant find anything online about cycling the Olvidado! But yes, we might meet! :)
 

Aisling Collins

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Have walked Camino Frances.
Planning to walk Lisbon - Santiago July 20th, 2014....
Courageous to start out with a sprained ankle :) Bursitis in my big toe has made me change my plans from walking into cycling the camino. But I cant find anything online about cycling the Olvidado! But yes, we might meet! :)
Well I've given ankle a month to mend. I'll walk 20km and then see how it is the following day. I have no knowledge of taking a bike. I know I was considering north Camino by bike because of injury a few years back, but thankfully dropped that idea, as it would only have worked for me if I stayed on the main roads.
 

peregrinorog

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2005/11/13, Norte 2007, Portuguese 2011, ViaDP 2013, Primitivo 2015/17, Madrid 2017, El Salv
The Olvidado is a recently resurrected route and consequently is unknown, although I am confident this will change in coming years. In 18 days in April and May I saw only 2 other walkers and about 4 cyclists. However, much of the marked walking route is unsuitable for bikes, which is probably why I did not see many cyclists. You would have to find your own route via carreteras or small roads.
 

toscamulder

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Oviedo to Santiago de Compostela (2019)
The Olvidado is a recently resurrected route and consequently is unknown, although I am confident this will change in coming years. In 18 days in April and May I saw only 2 other walkers and about 4 cyclists. However, much of the marked walking route is unsuitable for bikes, which is probably why I did not see many cyclists. You would have to find your own route via carreteras or small roads.
Thank you! I don't mind making my own routes but I do fear being alone on the bike for 2 weeks.

That's why I was thinking of going from Oviedo and taking detours for example to Cadavedo/Ribadeo (on the Del Norte) and then back to Tineo on the Primitivo. Do you think I could meet some people to cycle with along the way? Sorry for the off-topic.
 

Aisling Collins

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Have walked Camino Frances.
Planning to walk Lisbon - Santiago July 20th, 2014....
Freddy of CSJ is away until 28th June. If you email, orders@csj.org.uk, this address will be covered by staff on Tues 25 and Sat 29 June between 10.30 and 17.00. Otherwise tel 0207 928 9988. At present the Guide is available on a donativo basis and at present I believe it is in booklet form. However, if you request an email copy to be sent to you, they will probably do this. If there is sufficient demand CSJ will print the guide in their normal format.
Enjoy the Olvidado!
Thank you so much. Freddy just emailed the document. I'm literally on the bus to Dublin for Santander, and have the first few pages read. Super work, easy to read and informative. I appreciate all your insight and effort and memory. Aisling.
 

Aisling Collins

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Have walked Camino Frances.
Planning to walk Lisbon - Santiago July 20th, 2014....
In April/May this year I walked the Camino Olvidado, via Vegacervera after extracting as much information from the various threads in the Forum and Ender's Guide kindly posted by Peregrina 2000. I can vouch for its beauty, except perhaps the initial 50ks from Bilbao, as well as its capability to test your fitness. However, I found Ender's Guide, in several places, inaccurate and confusing, also the marking varied greatly. As a consequence I have written a detailed Guide in English and given it to the CSJ. The basic information may be found on their website under routes in Spain. The Guide is available by emailing CSJ.

Rodger,
In vegacervega tonight..had the exact same running around on the green plateau part as the first yellow arrow for sure points forward but eventually away from the actual path. It does however bring you eventually to a fountain for cattle.. and the top of a hill at 1590. After that ...I crossed a fence and transfered through the big green bushes to the other side and a dirt road and another fountain with arrow.

May I say your guide has been most helpful..every day I say I must remember to tl you 'this and that'.. for example Nava is excellent..and new Alberge will open by Alfonso..but you can sleep there now.. retiilio was amazing alternative hike, although you did need a route on GPS track to get off the other side...
In olea, we ran into some strange business with Miquel, who put us in a house of a friend..and we ended up leaving the house (shocking dirty, sheets covered in strange marks and hair everywhere, dead flies by the 1000, poor guy who was taking the €20 was not cut out for 'hospitality', and walking around smoking in every room..another room had wires and plumping pipes instead of Light switches etc).
We decided to walk back 2 or 3km from the middle of nowhere to Olea and stay in Los Eros or something which was amazing.
GPS TRACK necessary for sure..
Now to decide where to go tomorrow.. Buiza just seems to close.. and was there before on San Salvador.
 

peregrinorog

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2005/11/13, Norte 2007, Portuguese 2011, ViaDP 2013, Primitivo 2015/17, Madrid 2017, El Salv
Hi Aisling,
Thanks for your kind comments. Can you clarify that there is albergue accommodation at present in Nava run by Adolfo and the tel. number included in the guide is correct. Also what facilities are there, eg no of bunks/beds, kitchen etc. Any idea when the new albergue will open?
Really pleased to hear you tried the Arroyo-Retortillo option - so it does work! You say GPS is needed at the Retortillo end - does this mean the route is not marked all the way, also where does it meet the Camino?
Sorry to hear about the Olea experience, unfortunately this is one section where there is not a lot of accommodation options.
Please keep the comments coming as this way the guide information will be improved.
Buen Camino, Roger
 

omicko

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances,
May 1999 and others.
Hi Aisling,
Thanks for your kind comments. Can you clarify that there is albergue accommodation at present in Nava run by Adolfo and the tel. number included in the guide is correct. Also what facilities are there, eg no of bunks/beds, kitchen etc. Any idea when the new albergue will open?
Really pleased to hear you tried the Arroyo-Retortillo option - so it does work! You say GPS is needed at the Retortillo end - does this mean the route is not marked all the way, also where does it meet the Camino?
Sorry to hear about the Olea experience, unfortunately this is one section where there is not a lot of accommodation options.
Please keep the comments coming as this way the guide information will be improved.
Buen Camino, Roger
Hello Roger, look at my Camino Olvidado Guide from Bilbao - May 2018.
Adolfo is still waiting for the licence for the newly built Albergue. Cheers Mick.
 

peregrinorog

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2005/11/13, Norte 2007, Portuguese 2011, ViaDP 2013, Primitivo 2015/17, Madrid 2017, El Salv
Hi Mick.
Thanks for the info. Can you confirm that Adolfo has an albergue in the old school open at present that peregrinos can stay in. Also is the tel. number in your Guide still valid. The reason I ask is that Ender, in his Guide of 2019, has stated there is no accommodation in Nava. Thanks again. R.
 

omicko

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances,
May 1999 and others.
Hi Mick.
Thanks for the info. Can you confirm that Adolfo has an albergue in the old school open at present that peregrinos can stay in. Also is the tel. number in your Guide still valid. The reason I ask is that Ender, in his Guide of 2019, has stated there is no accommodation in Nava. Thanks again. R.
The old school is not an Albergue. It it is used as a community centre for the small village. I stayed there on a very comfortable sofa and was glad of it. Pilgrims will be allowed to stay there until the Albergue opens.The telephone number is still valid.Cheers Mick.
 
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peregrina2000

Moderator
Staff member
Ender does know Adolfo and knows about the informal arrangement. He was waiting until it became more formalized to put it in the guide. There are a couple of other places where similar informal “acogida” may be available, and I think it’s a tough decision, because you may wind up giving people false assurances. Anyway, I know others who have stayed with Adolfo, so it seems pretty secure. I met Adolfo back in 2015 when he walked with me and Susanna for several hours from Nava. He is a very nce guy and very dedicated to the Olvidado!
 

MikeJS

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Francis (2011), Norte (2012), VdlP (Apr 2016). Sureste/Invierno (Apr/May 2017).
Where is Nava on the camino olvidado?
 

Aisling Collins

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Have walked Camino Frances.
Planning to walk Lisbon - Santiago July 20th, 2014....
Hi Aisling,
Thanks for your kind comments. Can you clarify that there is albergue accommodation at present in Nava run by Adolfo and the tel. number included in the guide is correct. Also what facilities are there, eg no of bunks/beds, kitchen etc. Any idea when the new albergue will open?
Really pleased to hear you tried the Arroyo-Retortillo option - so it does work! You say GPS is needed at the Retortillo end - does this mean the route is not marked all the way, also where does it meet the Camino?
Sorry to hear about the Olea experience, unfortunately this is one section where there is not a lot of accommodation options.
Please keep the comments coming as this way the guide information will be improved.
Buen Camino, Roger

Hi Roger,
Quiet reply on Nava first.
Yes, the info in your guide is correct on Adolfo.
The day I wanted to leave was really hot... And I was already struggling and hadn't left Bilboa.
I went to tourist office and Feve office and tried to figure out train times for one of the stops outside the city that you mentioned in your guide. I convinced tourist office lady to speak on my behalf to Adolfo. He recommended I get off train at la Balmaseda because of the heat and he was so right. In fact I passed a lot of time in the town hoping temperature would drop but know now that the heat tends to stay and even continue to rise until 6pm.
The walk to Nava was basically just follow arrows...lots of fountains and shade. I got there and Adolfo was so nice considering I have very little Spanish. His son Ivan turned up and was dragged into translating for me.
Basically, according to son, his dad loves walking... Loves pilgrims, loves the Camino, and loves working so when he retired recently his new project was to turn the 'old stable' part of his house in Alberge. Prior to this you could sleep in school across from his house.
The building he had 3 weeks back was still been worked on.. but he had 2 blowup beds and blankets ready for pilgrims.
This hostel when finished will be amazing. In a beautiful setting just by river and was so nice to sit on weir and watch evening go by.
The bar in town is also excellent and friendly and accommodating. (I'm veggie).
Adolfo is on committee of Bilboa Camino association. He is doing all the work himself and to a really good standard, but also practical. He understands what people want. He will have perhaps 4 separate cubicle /rooms with 1 bunk beds in each. The kitchen is small and compact but has industrial unit gone in... Wow.
Big living space and a big space at the back that possible could be more beds.. 4 toilets and 2 showers, but why shower when you can go to fab river with picturesque weir and picnic tables and shade etc.
He even has little stickers made for the Alberge creditential. I wish I could have spoken in Spanish with this man ... Amazing. He also organised that I stay in villasante the next day with Isabell, who is another incredible lady and opens her home to pilgrims. The route from Nava to Villasante... was complicated.. I'm not sure if that is because there are problems or if because a man who was also walking on that day, didn't have a GPS track and was following the advice of locals... And so we did some ridiculous road walking... And didn't go on paths which had arrows and matched my GPS. Lesson learnt for me.
 

Aisling Collins

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Have walked Camino Frances.
Planning to walk Lisbon - Santiago July 20th, 2014....
Hello Roger, look at my Camino Olvidado Guide from Bilbao - May 2018.
Adolfo is still waiting for the licence for the newly built Albergue. Cheers Mick.
Mick.. Adolfo mentioned you with a big smile. That he doesn't forget people.
 

peregrina2000

Moderator
Staff member
Where is Nava on the camino olvidado?
Take a look at the towns and distances in Ender’s Spanish guide. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LVtQW64pGcbM_2R5R4IhatggNSnxuDoC/view?fbclid=IwAR0TSF49rNa47DDo1GO9jT9twmOt3uVtGFZ5f4wFA2B3bO77TqiZGUl0VKc

It is a good second stage if you stop the first day in Güeñes. We walked on to Villasana because we wanted to visit the romanesque churches in Siones and Vallejo. They are exceptional, but I think I remember that you are not a fan. Apparently, histsorical records show that those two towns were definitely on the camino, but I don’t know if anyone is going to try to re-route it now.
 

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