Catalonia trouble

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• Sep 29, 2017

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Don´t really know if this should even be a topic on this forum. But I think that pilgrims heading for Barcelona or generally in the northern and eastern part of Spain should follow the news about the situation in catalonia. On Sunday October .1. the local goverment in Barcelona(Catalonia) have announced that there is going to be a referendum concerning secession from Spain - and there is likely going to be disturbances and in worst care riots - since the Spanish goverment have declared it illegal. In case of a yes - Catalonia is going to secede in a matter of a few days. News are reporting that more than 10000 extra police officers and paramilitary forces are going to be in the barcelona. Be careful out there.

 

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• Sep 29, 2017

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Just so long as people realize that we are not going to smile kindly on debates over the referendum itself, I agree that pilgrims planning to travel to or through Cataluña should know about the referendum. Let's see if we can for once limit a thread like this to factual information that might have an impact on pilgrims' safety or travel plans.

 

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peregrina2000 said:

Just so long as people realize that we are not going to smile kindly on debates over the referendum itself, I agree that pilgrims planning to travel to or through Cataluña should know about the referendum. Let's see if we can for once limit a thread like this to factual information that might have an impact on pilgrims' safety or travel plans.

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Exactly - I was careful how I frased it. Just information - no debate.

 

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• Sep 30, 2017

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In my experience with similar situations in Spain pilgrims/visitors/tourists and the like will be rarely affected. Just don't voice any opinion with the locals and you will be fine. BC SY

 

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Security Message from the US State Department.

https://es.usembassy.gov/security-m-u-s-citizens/

 

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• Sep 30, 2017

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Just try to avoid large and/or narrow public spaces throughout the coming weekend and especially on Sunday evening (7pm if I'm not mistaken) after the voting places will be closed (if not raided by Guardia Civil!).

We all hope everything will go without any clashes.

Buena suerte!

PS (Althought I would so much want to make a political comment on the situation (have the similar experience - look in my avatar and Google) I know it would be erased. Our mods are more vigilant than Guardia Civil )

 

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KinkyOne said:

PS (Althought I would so much want to make a political comment on the situation (have the similar experience - look in my avatar and Google) I know it would be erased. Our mods are more vigilant than Guardia Civil )

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Hi, Kinky, I saw that you had posted and have to admit my first thought was, oh no, here we go. Thanks for being considerate to the forum's rules. And btw, if anyone wants to discuss the political aspects of this with Kinky, the Private Conversation function is a perfect place to do that.

 

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• Sep 30, 2017

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(Althought I would so much want to make a political comment on the situation (have the similar experience - look in my avatar and Google) I know it would be erased. Our mods are more vigilant than Guardia Civil )

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Kinky, PM me, I want to hear your opinion!

 

peregrina2000

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• Sep 30, 2017

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JillGat said:

Kinky, PM me, I want to hear your opinion!

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Kinky and I are battling it out in a PM, and I will add you to the conversation!

 

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• Sep 30, 2017

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peregrina2000 said:

Kinky and I are battling it out in a PM, and I will add you to the conversation!

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Hmmm include me in, I am curious to hear the opinion of outsiders (I have already heard so many views over the past months from Spanish friends on both sides!)

 

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• Sep 30, 2017

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LTfit said:

Hmmm include me in, I am curious to hear the opinion of outsiders (I have already heard so many views over the past months from Spanish friends on both sides!)

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Interested too

 

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• Sep 30, 2017

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Hopefully it will be a peaceful day in all of Spain.

 

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• Oct 1, 2017

• #13

For those interested I have an article in English about the background of this referendum and the legal issues at stake. Will send it in in PM.

 

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• Oct 1, 2017

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Some posts have been deleted.
Political statements and comments are prohibited on the forum...as most people are aware.
Those who intentionally violate the forum rules will be issued points that may lead to a
"time-out" from forum privileges.

 

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• Oct 1, 2017

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JillGat said:

Kinky, PM me, I want to hear your opinion!

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Me too please. Very distressing day for all sides.

MinaKamina said:

For those interested I have an article in English about the background of this referendum and the legal issues at stake. Will send it in in PM.

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Yes please.

 

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• Oct 1, 2017

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jesper K said:

Don´t really know if this should even be a topic on this forum. But I think that pilgrims heading for Barcelona or generally in the northern and eastern part of Spain should follow the news about the situation in catalonia. On Sunday October .1. the local goverment in Barcelona(Catalonia) have announced that there is going to be a referendum concerning secession from Spain - and there is likely going to be disturbances and in worst care riots - since the Spanish goverment have declared it illegal. In case of a yes - Catalonia is going to secede in a matter of a few days. News are reporting that more than 10000 extra police officers and paramilitary forces are going to be in the barcelona. Be careful out there.

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I am in Barcelona right now and things are relatively calm although many businesses are closed. Many Catalonian flags hanging in windows. We did see a large demonstration against Catalonian independence but it was mostly peaceful. The police presence is obvious and some of them have automatic weapons. No Spaniards have asked me my opinion on the trouble, but if they do I will tell them I don't have an opinion on the matter, which is true in my case.

 

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• Oct 2, 2017

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I missed the events yesterday, I was working all day. Sat at home now in Exeter with my girlfriend who is Spanish, and is visibly shocked and upset at what happened yesterday. I hope at least one side can step back and make reconciliatory tones and take the heat out of the situation.

 

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• Oct 2, 2017

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I'm closing this thread now that October 1 is done. Those traveling to Barcelona, please be aware of the events that happened yesterday and stay safe.