Clothing for mountains

Monasp · Apr 26, 2022

An American woman in shorts and flip-flops was rescued from the Bendarte pass (Pyrenees) in hypothermia
So for the mountain stages, be properly dressed and shod to avoid problems such as the following

Rescatada en Ibañeta una peregrina con hipotermia y calzada con chancletas

Además de la nieve en el suelo, en la zona había también niebla

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trecile · Apr 26, 2022

Interesting. The article says despite the fact that the woman was well equipped, she had worn flip-flops!

Former member 92300 · Apr 26, 2022

trecile said:
Interesting. The article says despite the fact that the woman was well equipped, she had worn flip-flops!

Yeah... at first I was thinking - she is from California, so she should have known better. I mean - CA has beaches, deserts, and snow covered mountains all up and down the state. But then again - I have known Californians who wear flip flops EVERYWHERE and in So.Cal it is not unheard of to see people skiing in bathing suits. She might have have been well equipped but thought it was like home? I don't know. Hard to judge when we don't know the whole story.

Layers, people, layers! Temperatures can rise and fall drastically when crossing mountain passes! Weather systems can change rapidly! Always be prepared and if you ship your pack forward - keep the layers IN YOUR PACK!

C clearly · Apr 26, 2022

trecile said:
despite the fact that the woman was well equipped, she had worn flip-flops!

At some point, I think this is no longer a matter of knowledge, but is a matter of being able to function rationally in the world. It is good that other pilgrims decided to call for help!

Yaya · Apr 27, 2022

Is it a good thing to wear layers in July when coming across hiking passes ?
Please be specific ?

Tincatinker · Apr 27, 2022

Yaya said:
Is it a good thing to wear layers in July when coming across hiking passes ?
Please be specific ?

The capacity to don and or remove layers of clothing; wind and waterproofs in mountain and exposed country is essential to personal safety.

Tincatinker · Apr 27, 2022

C clearly said:
At some point, I think this is no longer a matter of knowledge, but is a matter of being able to function rationally in the world. It is good that other pilgrims decided to call for help!

One of the first presenting symptoms of hyperthermia is poor or irrational decision making. Add in an illusion of over-heating and you have the reason many hypothermic casualties are found in an un-dressed state having shed clothing

VNwalking · Apr 27, 2022

Yaya said:
Is it a good thing to wear layers in July when coming across hiking passes ?
Please be specific ?

Wind and water in the mountains can kill at any time of the year. The only time I've gotten hypothermic was in the tropics at about 1200 meters ASL. The Col de Lepoeder is about 1400m. Not in the tropics.

Scott Sweeney · Apr 27, 2022

trecile said:
Interesting. The article says despite the fact that the woman was well equipped, she had worn flip-flops!

She was trying to be stylish. There is such a thing as common sense.

DoughnutANZ · Apr 28, 2022

C clearly said:
At some point, I think this is no longer a matter of knowledge, but is a matter of being able to function rationally in the world. It is good that other pilgrims decided to call for help!

When someone has hypothermia their blood supply is concentrated in their body core and there is reduced flow to the brain. As a result, people with hypothermia rarely act rationally.

I have had hypothermia when I was a teenager and survived because of the actions of others, not through my own actions and I can vouch that while I was not acting rationally at the time, it did not seem so to me.

Since then I keep an eye out for people who may be suffering from hypothermia so that I can help if that is needed.

C clearly · Apr 28, 2022

Yaya said:
Is it a good thing to wear layers in July when coming across hiking passes ?
Please be specific ?

Well it depends on the specific conditions that day and that place!

In my backpack, I would have all the items listed in this post/thread. If I were sending my pack by transport and just selecting items for a day pack, I would recommend whatever is your comfortable walking layer for a nice day, plus a spare long shirt and trousers (could be rain pants), rain jacket, buff, spare socks and gloves.

Tincatinker · Apr 28, 2022

Doughnut NZ said:
When someone has hypothermia their blood supply is concentrated in their body core and there is reduced flow to the brain. As a result, people with hypothermia rarely act rationally.

Hypothermic homeless / street people dismissed as drunk or stoned. Hypothermic teenagers dismissed as "larking about". Hypothermic elderly dismissed as "difficult". A "properly" equipped Pilgrim choosing to wear flip-flops in the snow..... Thankfully their companion recognized the symptoms.

JCarpenter · Apr 29, 2022

The scene was a clear July day, just before O Cebreiro. Once we gained a smidge of elevation the temps dropped just a bit- 50+ degrees, and into the clouds on a horse we went. With wool layers on, all I had to do was put on a poncho or dismount and walk. But my muscles locked up. I kept checking on my daughter on the horse behind me saying, "Are you warm enough?" but I was stubborn. My neck got stuck at 90* to the right. I was laughing! I had to slide off of the horse like a city slicker and walked into the bar with quite a hitch in my git-along. Three bowls of caldo later I revived. In hindsight I should have thought of the potential for hypothermia as the fog hit us and added the waterproof layer as a precaution, because it happens quickly (I made my daughter do.) I love that soup!

DoughnutANZ · Apr 29, 2022

JCarpenter said:
The scene was a clear July day, just before O Cebreiro. Once we gained a smidge of elevation the temps dropped just a bit- 50+ degrees, and into the clouds on a horse we went. With wool layers on, all I had to do was put on a poncho or dismount and walk. But my muscles locked up. I kept checking on my daughter on the horse behind me saying, "Are you warm enough?" but I was stubborn. My neck got stuck at 90* to the right. I was laughing! I had to slide off of the horse like a city slicker and walked into the bar with quite a hitch in my git-along. Three bowls of caldo later I revived. In hindsight I should have thought of the potential for hypothermia as the fog hit us and added the waterproof layer as a precaution, because it happens quickly (I made my daughter do.) I love that soup!

When my hiking companion eventually found me, off trail and in a hypothermic state he quickly put his coat on me, lit a fire and started boiling a billy of instant soup.

When it had boiled he said to me "you should drink this". I took him at his word, picked the billy up off the fire with my bare hands and drank the boiling soup.

He definitely had not expected that.

Although I was acting irrationally, I neither burnt my hands nor my mouth and throat although I have no idea how.

MichelleElynHogan · May 1, 2022

C clearly said:
At some point, I think this is no longer a matter of knowledge, but is a matter of being able to function rationally in the world. It is good that other pilgrims decided to call for help!

Sorry for this but seeing this article brought a movie memory back to me...from Blazing Saddles, where the townsfolk had set up a toll booth for the bandits to negotiate, just to slow them down. Or is it more like some kind of gateway is needed to allow those who are properly equipped / attired to proceed and all others declined entry?

Would a series of zip lines be of benefit?

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