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It doesn't matter which was the oldest/first/authentic/mythical - when people ask about the "Camino" I presume they mean the Camino Frances.
...Why have the caminos to Santiago become so popular...
...why there are so few walking pilgrimage routes now: Rome, Fatima and St Olavs route are the only ones that come to mind though I am sure there are others?
...The quantities of pilgrimage badges found in the UK from English sites such as Canterbury and Walsingham compared to those of Santiago and Rome (approx 97%) back this up and the pattern is the same on the continent. Why has this pattern not reappeared?
William Marques said:It is interesting how a particular route becomes popular and for what reason. Why have the caminos to Santiago become so popular
William Marques said:and why there are so few walking pilgrimage routes now: Rome, Fatima and St Olavs route are the only ones that come to mind though I am sure there are others?
William Marques said:In the medeival period when relics were really venerated a local pilgrimage to the big cathedral a few days/weeks away was the most common pilgrimage. Why has this pattern not reappeared?
xm said:I should check out the other writers you named.
But let me suggest this: prior to start compiling a bibliography on the other Caminos, presumably in English, it would be a great idea to contact the CSJ. I’m not a member, yet. I undertand you may be. Would it be possible for you to write to them requesting the bibliography re: other caminos than the CF? Let me know.
What pilgrimages badges are you refering to?
Pilgrimages have been going on forever. For Christians, Muslims, and Jews, the sites of veneration are well known and visitied, even today-Rome/Jerusalem/Mecca, as well as in many other religions.
...the 1000 day Sennichi-Kaiho-Gyo pilgrimage near Kyoto.
http://www.kyoto-np.co.jp/kp/topics/eng ... 09-18.html
xm said:I believe that each Camino has its own particular history, its own personality, if you will, reasons why I like to refer to the Jacobean routes as the "roads" instead of the "road."
xm said:the Camino Primitivo, starting from Oviedo, was the first Christian Camino
meaning that the first pilgrims all lived in Oviedo?
...'a Camino'? ...is a modern artefact ...label applied to a sort of marketing package ...
Medieval pilgrims did not follow 'routes'; they started ...used ...created ... joining ...choice
Pilgrimage...is an abstract, not linked to any route.
A particular section of road has a history, which in some cases you can trace, but a Camino?
It shouldn't matter to the Pilgrim Office which route people take.
Howie said:Kia ora - me again
Good ol' Howie and his notorious tuppence...
sillydoll said:Peter, do you really think people had that many roads to choose from in the middle ages?
omar504 said:My other thought is-why the preoccupation with starting in SJPP, is this another example of the herd mentality of everyone wanting to start together?
The yellow arrows start in St Jean
If people from the Kingdom of the Franks (c1140) used their chemins etc to reach the Pyrenees and cross over to Roncesvalles (or at Portalet) surely they would have used the 'French way' - or the Norte? Especially with all the Villafrancas along that route.
I recommend all peregrinos do one other pilgrimage to see what extra can be gained -- and given.
So some walkers really do see this as some sort of sport...
sillydoll said:If people from the Kingdom of the Franks (c1140) used their chemins etc to reach the Pyrenees and cross over to Roncesvalles (or at Portalet) surely they would have used the 'French way' - or the Norte? Especially with all the Villafrancas along that route.
When the indigenous peoples from within the Kingdoms of Navarre or Leon started walking to Compostela (I don't mean from the lands ruled by the Moors in the south) surely they would have found their way from their homes to a well travelled, well suported road to walk to Compostela?
sillydoll said:I bought one of the (false) 1648 'Carte de Chemins de St Jacques' maps from the tourist office in St Jean de Angeley and although it is false, it looks very good on my wall next to my compostelas!
TYou will find this map - and other on the French website:
http://www.saint-jacques.info/fausse-carte/faux.htm
sillydoll said:Linda Davidson writes that as late as the 17thC (well into the decline of the pilgrimage) the Roncesvalles hospice was hosting 25 000 pilgrims a year
xm said:Hello Peter. "...pilgrimage was banned in several countries...." I didn't know this. Can u please expound? Best, xm
Peter Robins said:after 1589, there weren't any relics to venerate in Santiago anyway. They were hidden to prevent their falling into the hands of the 'English Armada' and not replaced until 1879.
"...after 1589, there weren't any relics to venerate in Santiago anyway. They were hidden to prevent their falling into the hands of the 'English Armada' and not replaced until 1879...."
"Am I right in thinking that they are not sure if the ones they replaced were the ones they hid? "
William Marques said:Am I right in thinking that they are not sure if the ones they replaced were the ones they hid?
Am I right in thinking that they are not sure if the ones they replaced were the ones they hid?
Pope Leo XIII declared that they were
In Brittany, there is a very old pilgrimage called the Tro Breizh (tour of Brittany
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