TravellingMan22
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I wouldn’t worry too much! I don’t think I have ever used POC or BAME ever in a conversation, and I can’t believe many do! I can’t say I would worry about using the wrong word (within reason)!Personally it's something I've struggled with my entire life. Why should we describe anyone by their skin tone? Then again, why should it be racist to do so?
When asked for a physical description of someone, what do I do? I describe them by the colour and style of the clothes they were wearing, their height, their general body shape (also a point of potential contention), their hair color, and, yes, their skin tone. (Which in my case varies greatly depending on how many weeks I've spent in the sun... ).
In a country as racially diverse as New Zealand it is very easy to trip up. Do I say Maori or of Polynesian descent? (Because unless you are aware of some very subtle differences - which do not always exist - it is very easy to mix up a Maori and for example somebody of Tongan descent). Do I say Asian or try and be more specific - and risk offence ? The list goes on.
Technically I am a 'New Zealander of European descent' . Which I find bloody annoying. I'm a New Zealander. Full Stop! But yes, I am therefore a white person, often referred to as 'Pakeha' in New Zealand. (Maori).
Years ago an American friend of mine called himself African American. He now calls himself black. Personally if he has to be categorized he prefers the term 'Black' to 'person of color' . His wife is a Kiwi. A Maori, although she is every bit as 'white' as I am. SHE prefers the term 'person of colour' . And so it goes on.
Like I say, it's something I've struggled with all my life. All I can try and do is be respectful.
All this thread should be about is how we do broaden the range of folks of the Camino,
True, apologies I got sidetrackedAll this thread should be about is how we do broaden the range of folks of the Camino,
True, apologies I got sidetracked
There were and it has. The pilgrim office website has detailed statistics for the past twenty years. Last year 53% of those receiving Compostelas were women. In 2003 women were only 40% of the total. I can't find any figures to prove it but my own impression from walking in 1990 was that women were even more scarce on the Camino then. A gradual evolution more than a result of direct intervention I think.If there were far more men on the Camino than women, or vice versa, we would look how to change.
You mean there aren’t more women than men on the Camino? On my Primitivo we men were constantly outnumbered! (Not that I’m complaining you understand)If there were far more men on the Camino than women, or vice versa, we would look how to change.
Ah thank you! Was guess work on my part but yes agree that it is likely evolutionary! 53/47 seems a reasonable number!There were and it has. The pilgrim office website has detailed statistics for the past twenty years. Last year 53% of those receiving Compostelas were women. In 2003 women were only 40% of the total. I can't find any figures to prove it but my own impression from walking in 1990 was that women were even more scarce on the Camino then. A gradual evolution more than a result of direct intervention I think.
Why not? I don't think that it's any worse than describing someone by their height, hair or eye color, but it depends on the context.Personally it's something I've struggled with my entire life. Why should we describe anyone by their skin tone? Then again, why should it be racist to do so?
Dovetails very nicely.There's an article on BBC today regarding diversity in hiking that fits in nicely with this thread.
The hiking movement to reclaim green spaces
Racism and unequal access to green spaces are just two reasons people of colour spend less time in nature. Meet the groups working to bring the benefits of the great outdoors to all.www.bbc.com
There's an article on BBC today regarding diversity in hiking that fits in nicely with this thread.
The hiking movement to reclaim green spaces
Racism and unequal access to green spaces are just two reasons people of colour spend less time in nature. Meet the groups working to bring the benefits of the great outdoors to all.www.bbc.com
A few years ago, Rick of Rick and Peg, told me about Black Girls Trekkin. I’d forgotten about it. Current responsibilities have me home bound. However, I just sent the link to two of my younger cousins.
I think perhaps the difference between Harriet Tubman's era and our own is that outdoor activities have become somewhat "gentrified" and are now mostly leisure activities rather than part of one's daily life.In my small neck of the woods, abolitionist and suffragist Harriet Tubman is where it's at. She was an absolute master of everything outdoors, reading the local environment so well - down to the smallest birdsong or turn of tide.
I think perhaps the difference between Harriet Tubman's era and our own is that outdoor activities have become somewhat "gentrified" and are now mostly leisure activities rather than part of one's daily life.
And perhaps not talk about it as some life changing therapy hike; as some way back to that god you forgot about until you found that lump; as the cheapest adventure you can buy, but maybe just as an opportunity to go and find out
It's the "you people" distinction! I found this hilarious when visiting Kenya with a school group (one of the "responsible adults" for heavens sake. If you knew me you would ask how I got invited! )Can I add into this again? Forgive me.
I am white English, nearly 76 now so brought up and educated in the then best Grammar school in London, 625 boys, masters wearing mortar boards and black gowns and all male and plenty of caning, in the last years of the British Empire educational system (you can imagine what we were taught about the world and the peoples in it? )- and reading the @nycwalking post again (for the fourth time) I now realise that my point of view on this subject is probably hopelessly invalid, invalid because I am white and English and old school and don't have to live with (or even notice) the small and 'insignificant' slights that people of colour have to endure every day - probably much more in the USA than elsewhere.
Here's the thing - my only racist 'insignificant' story. Many decades ago I was in Casablanca, Morocco, and I met an American guy, from LA .. he was broke (had run out of cash until the banks reopened after a holiday, no cashpoints back then) so I suggested we went for a cup of tea.
We went to a cafe with outdoor terrace and sat outside and I ordered - merely because it was my invite. The waiter seemed 'normal' but when he returned he placed a tea in a cup and saucer with tea spoon, with a small plate with a biscuit on it at my new friends' place, and to me set down a cup of tea, no saucer, no spoon, no plate with biscuit, and walked away.
My new friend didn't notice until I pointed it out to him and then he roared with laughter, it choked him up. Why? Because he was a young black guy and what the waiter had done was to treat me the way black people get treated all the time, because he and the waiter were black and I was white. He told me that this was the first time in his life that this had ever happened.
That has never left me, and, pondering more, maybe I do actually know why there are almost no metal detectorists who are black, and why so few on Camino - not because of those of we to whom it isn't important but because of all those others, Spanish and pilgrims, who would do those daily tiny slights that cut so deep.
So my thoughts. If I am wrong here I apologise.
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