Jeff Crawley
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I have to admit that I was a bit surprised when I went to view a YouTube video about how women pee in the woods to be talked to by my senior senator in Congress and suspected future presidental candidate, Elizabeth Warren. I was relieved to find out that it was an ad.Anyway, one of the gems they have turned up is this - covering a delicate subject sensitively and candidly and not something that, as a man, I would have researched.
Sadly it's a result of my age and upbringing - where I come from the respective facilities (indoors) are usually labelled Ladies and Gents rather than Pointers and Setters, Steers and Heifers etc. If I could change the header to "Do pilgrims with a double X chromosome pee in the woods? I think we know the answer." I would but don't know howGenerally "ladies" do NOT pee in the woods. However, most women do when they are on the camino.
"Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon, windage and elevation" (John Wayne, The Undefeated).I have to admit that I was a bit surprised when I went to view a YouTube video about how women pee in the woods to be talked to by my senior senator in Congress and suspected future presidental candidate, Elizabeth Warren. I was relieved to find out that it was an ad.
Edit: After Jeff mentioned the sloping ground advice I was curious if windage was mentioned.
Careful! Banks have security cameras.Some times you've just gotta squat behind a tree or a bank!
You must have missed the memo circulated to us young females in the 60s and 70s.Sadly it's a result of my age and upbringing
Wow! You should be up for some award. What a trucker's bladder you have! I'm a champion pee-in-the-woods person because my bladder must be the size of a pea. One cup of Joe and I'm off to the woods...not just once, but at least twice within an hour. I envy you so much because I also have traveled a great deal and it has been the bane of my existence. I actually have been known not to drink anything for 12 hours just so I know I won't have to stop. I love those guide maps that only include details of where the traveler can find every toilet in every corner of every city in the world! Ha ha You might get the idea my sightseeing is primarily restricted to international toilets. There are some real beauties...Now I’m feeling left out. I have NEVER peed in the woods. Not on the Camino, not at home, not when travelling a good part of the globe for 15 months with the family. I’ve always managed to hold on until we’ve found dedicated facilities. Which might be why on an eleven hour bus trip in Laos which only had one toilet stop I was nominated to empty a water bottle so that a desperate 6 year old son could pee into it!
Ah, that probably would have been when I was living in Thunder Bay ONT.You must have missed the memo circulated to us young females in the 60s and 70s.
It's not far from Hove, actuallyAt a gig last night, Show of Hands at St George's for UK natives who may know of whom and whereof I speak, the sign by the toilets said "these toilets are non-gender-specific - please only use the cubicles". The lovely volunteer stewards were marshalling the interval queue and explaining that the "Ladies" we're "out-of-order" and it would be "nicer" if gentlemen would avoid using the urinals while others were queuing for the cubicles. I loved the Victorian euphemisms deployed.
I suspect the local shrubbery took some punishment last night 'cos it was a long queue and a short interval
Generally "ladies" do NOT pee in the woods. However, most women do when they are on the camino.
No need to be left out! A year ago you had never spent a night alone and never walked the camino alone? There are many new adventures in store.Now I’m feeling left out. I have NEVER peed in the woods.
Gentlemen do NOT! They urinate in the woods.Do men pee in the woods? I think we know the answer.
You must have missed the memo circulated to us young females in the 60s and 70s.
Gentlemen do NOT! They urinate in the woods.
All very well, but when ze knees are aged and injured, then squatting right down becomes very difficult. Plus who can ever find privacy on the meseta? No woods in which to hide!
I am a fan of this device - it's Swiss engineered and it just works. No need to remove clothing (especially if you wear a skirt), no need to remove pack, no need to do anything except turn aside from the path. And no need for paper to litter the path.
And let me tell you, I've tried four different types of these devices and this is the best.
Sorry to say @Sho, but the GoGirl is useless. It was the first of these I bought and tried. Because it is soft you basically have to pull down everything and squat, so what is the point of that?
Ordered it! Never cared to try one but your post convinced me it's worth a try. I'm also one who, like loumura, is off to the woods after one cup of joe. Heading for the Via de la Plata in March and not much in the way of woods. Thanks!
Haha but you have GOT to be kidding @C clearly ! This is something I’d prefer to add to my “Things I’ll Never Do” list like parachuting, lawn mowing and white water rafting.No need to be left out! A year ago you had never spent a night alone and never walked the camino alone? There are many new adventures in store.
In terms of life accomplishments, I'd agree that you don't need to pursue it. However, it really doesn't deserve to be on the "Things I'll Never Do" list. I have mowed a lawn once or twice and am glad to have done it.Haha but you have GOT to be kidding @C clearly ! This is something I’d prefer to add to my “Things I’ll Never Do” list like parachuting, lawn mowing and white water rafting.
On the Camino I have always been able to find a proper toilet when I've needed one. I know that when I was younger and went to summer camp I had to occasionally pee in the woods, but it was so long ago I barely remember.Now I’m feeling left out. I have NEVER peed in the woods. Not on the Camino, not at home, not when travelling a good part of the globe for 15 months with the family. I’ve always managed to hold on until we’ve found dedicated facilities. Which might be why on an eleven hour bus trip in Laos which only had one toilet stop I was nominated to empty a water bottle so that a desperate 6 year old son could pee into it!
Some times you've just gotta squat behind a tree or a bank!
The first time I saw the milky way was because I went outside in the night 'to make a river', as they say in spain.
And I totally disagree with gadgets like sheewees, unless in literally arctic conditions. Women squat down, that's what we do. It's called getting close to nature.
Sorry to say @Sho, but the GoGirl is useless. It was the first of these I bought and tried. Because it is soft you basically have to pull down everything and squat, so what is the point of that?
Your kidding aren’t you? When you gotta go....ya gotta go. And Worse.... you know what bears do in the woods
I showed your comments to my friend (a Spanish speaking sociologist BTW - ooh! illiteration!) and she said it was quite revealing that you focused on gender politics rather than the efficacy (or not) of the video content and asks whether, when in Spain, you are a senora or a mujer?Generally "ladies" do NOT pee in the woods. However, most women do when they are on the camino.
Off course we pee in the woods and we take the paper with us in small bagsNot been very well recently so instead of being out and about I've had a lot of people dropping by (no peace for the wicked).
Among them have been some who fancy walking the Camino and think they'll get better information straight from me than they would from a forum like this (fools) although I suspect there's at least one lurker here (Hi Carole)
Anyway, one of the gems they have turned up is this - covering a delicate subject sensitively and candidly and not something that, as a man, I would have researched.
I was especially impressed by the advice on choosing sloping ground and scuffing up the surface beforehand
So head off into the woods for a practice and, if it works for you, you have my friend Julie to thank!
"Double like"Off course we pee in the woods and we take the paper with us in small bags
HAD to look them up. The mind boggles - I thought garments like that were dreamed up by people like Borat.Women cyclists who wear bib shorts (far more comfortable than waist shorts) favour those with high-stretch shoulder straps or a discreet zip at the back. They save time, accidents and embarrassment when taking a so-called nature break.
I've not only seen men pee in the woods, but on the side of the path in full view and against buildings...A little discreet peeing isn't always so discreet. ( a gender thing or a cultural thing? not sure )Do men pee in the woods? I think we know the answer.
HAD to look them up. The mind boggles - I thought garments like that were dreamed up by people like Borat.
A German friend we met on the Camino had a word for it ... buchsepausieren. I rather enjoy peeing in the woods and have since I was a child. I agree, squat and look at the stars or the leaves, etc. ... be one with nature.The first time I saw the milky way was because I went outside in the night 'to make a river', as they say in spain.
And I totally disagree with gadgets like sheewees, unless in literally arctic conditions. Women squat down, that's what we do. It's called getting close to nature.
Or in the snow - but heed the words of Frank Zappa!I've not only seen men pee in the woods, but on the side of the path in full view and against buildings...A little discreet peeing isn't always so discreet. ( a gender thing or a cultural thing? not sure )
What video content?I showed your comments to my friend (a Spanish speaking sociologist BTW - ooh! illiteration!) and she said it was quite revealing that you focused on gender politics rather than the efficacy (or not) of the video content and asks whether, when in Spain, you are a senora or a mujer?
It was in the first post. The link was at the word "this"What video content?
Ahh, right. Now that I put my nose on the screen and squint, I can see it. Well @Jeff Crawley - that should answer the question of your sociologist. My aging eyesight was misinterpreted as a gender-political stance.The link was at the word "this"
That was no Lady. That was a litter-bug :0)Do ladies pee in the woods? Follow the toilet paper.
Not to ignore that you are a young lady and we oldsters can find it very hard to squat! I do it, but there had better be a branch or shrub to hold on to to get back up! Just you wait....The first time I saw the milky way was because I went outside in the night 'to make a river', as they say in spain.
And I totally disagree with gadgets like sheewees, unless in literally arctic conditions. Women squat down, that's what we do. It's called getting close to nature.
But they do in corn fields. It always makes me laugh to see some peregrino shuffling his feet and staring at the ground while guarding her rucksack. Then the relief on his face when she emerges from the corn stalks and picks up her packGenerally "ladies" do NOT pee in the woods. However, most women do when they are on the camino.
Beautiful ferns. Looking forward to your future musings.As I walked in my woods this morning (only we call it bush and it has lovely Christmassy ferns like this right now:View attachment 49539) I was thinking about the linguistic turn this thread took. I decided I quite like the juxtaposition of “ladies” and “pee” because it has an attention-grabbing jarring about it.
Then I thought “wee” would be better than pee due to the alliteration.
And as it was a reasonably long walk I had time for one more thought.
Based on my premise that alliteration is desirable, the ladies really should be turned into women....but “do women wee in the woods?” Is just plain boring.
Who knows what I’ll think about tomorrow!
Wrath? I'm picturing you going back after lunch and asking the waiter again if you could use the toilet now since you have already ordered food and drink.the wrath of a French man.
That would have been hilariousWrath? I'm picturing you going back after lunch and asking the waiter again if you could use the toilet now since you have already ordered food and drink.
Wrath? I'm picturing you going back after lunch and asking the waiter again if you could use the toilet now since you have already ordered food and drink.
I could not have done that with a straight face.That would have been hilarious
I used "pee" as that was in the video title! Julie has calmed down now - at first she took umbrage because of what she thought was a reaction to what she considered to be a valuable piece of instruction. I said she should join the forum and fight her own battles . . .As I walked in my woods this morning (only we call it bush and it has lovely Christmassy ferns like this right now:View attachment 49539) I was thinking about the linguistic turn this thread took. I decided I quite like the juxtaposition of “ladies” and “pee” because it has an attention-grabbing jarring about it.
Then I thought “wee” would be better than pee due to the alliteration.
And as it was a reasonably long walk I had time for one more thought.
Based on my premise that alliteration is desirable, the ladies really should be turned into women....but “do women wee in the woods?” Is just plain boring.
Who knows what I’ll think about tomorrow!
As long as there is no poison oak or ivyThe first time I saw the milky way was because I went outside in the night 'to make a river', as they say in spain.
And I totally disagree with gadgets like sheewees, unless in literally arctic conditions. Women squat down, that's what we do. It's called getting close to nature.
Another use for the Altus!Woods, shrubs, hedges - whatever provides a moderate cover ... Oh, and please bag out your toilet paper to the next bin ;-) BC SY
I have carried a P-style on all of my Caminos, but have not had to use it...yet.After reading lots of reviews, I got a P-style. You don't have to take down your pants, you can stand and not squat and it wipes all the drops away rather well. So though you don't really need TP, I still brought some bandana squares just in case. Just wash those with your laundry. No need for all those plastic bags!
It rinses easily as it has a some sort of teflon coating.
https://www.thepstyle.com/
I purchased a similar one a year ago to use on the camino, but ended up leaving it at home. I still needed to pull down my pants and undies part way just to get it into the right "area". Reason being is that the female anatomy is lower than a male's, "down under" in our crotch area to be quite frank. If I were willing to slice that seam open on my hiking pants and wear no undies, then that devise would be the perfect solution...but that aint happening!After reading lots of reviews, I got a P-style. You don't have to take down your pants, you can stand and not squat and it wipes all the drops away rather well. So though you don't really need TP, I still brought some bandana squares just in case. Just wash those with your laundry. No need for all those plastic bags!
It rinses easily as it has a some sort of teflon coating.
https://www.thepstyle.com/
Its not thd peeing that’s the problem. It’s the prodigious amounts of used loo paper left all along camino routes both in France and Spain. I was disgusted by the way a minority of pilgrims were treating the Chemin du Puy I walked this autumn. I’ve no idea if they were men or women. But whoever they are please can they bag it, bin it or bury it!Not been very well recently so instead of being out and about I've had a lot of people dropping by (no peace for the wicked).
Among them have been some who fancy walking the Camino and think they'll get better information straight from me than they would from a forum like this (fools) although I suspect there's at least one lurker here (Hi Carole)
Anyway, one of the gems they have turned up is this - covering a delicate subject sensitively and candidly and not something that, as a man, I would have researched.
I was especially impressed by the advice on choosing sloping ground and scuffing up the surface beforehand
So head off into the woods for a practice and, if it works for you, you have my friend Julie to thank!
Of course they do!Careful! Banks have security cameras.
Speaking of PEEING IN THE WOODS. I never realized that "wanting to use a toilet" in the middle of nowhere, (until I was on Camino) would be so difficult and that when you did get a very small gap(the Pilgrims ahead of you who seemed to be moving so slowly and the Pilgrims behind you were moving so very fast) to do your business would be such a hurried affair and well, so unlady like!!! The thing is you leave your Alburgue just fine, but get out into the open road where is nowhere to hide, and NATURE says loud and clear, I WANT TO GO....... Hahaha...Generally "ladies" do NOT pee in the woods. However, most women do when they are on the camino.
Looks like way too much work when squatting will do. But maybe it's just because I grew up camping and hiking in the foothills and Rockies in southern Alberta and it's second "nature" to me, ha ha.This is the best strategy I've used:The GoGirl.
Watched the video..It was in the first post. The link was at the word "this"
I would like to add, after you take care of business please bring a baggie to put your paper in. I finished my walk in September & was very surprised at the mounds of used paper left behind the bushesNot been very well recently so instead of being out and about I've had a lot of people dropping by (no peace for the wicked).
Among them have been some who fancy walking the Camino and think they'll get better information straight from me than they would from a forum like this (fools) although I suspect there's at least one lurker here (Hi Carole)
Anyway, one of the gems they have turned up is this - covering a delicate subject sensitively and candidly and not something that, as a man, I would have researched.
I was especially impressed by the advice on choosing sloping ground and scuffing up the surface beforehand
So head off into the woods for a practice and, if it works for you, you have my friend Julie to thank!
Ok I heard of this device from a woman friend of mine called pibella ladies can check it out on google. Available even from REI good luck whoever needs it.Generally "ladies" do NOT pee in the woods. However, most women do when they are on the camino.
A German friend we met on the Camino had a word for it ... buchsepausieren
[=er ... what?]
Never heard or seen this combination of two German words. In the given context, it sounds extremely crude and I'd strongly recommend against using it. I wonder whether she actually said Boxenpause - a reference to car racing where the drivers stop at the boxes for service. It reminds of my French campanions on the chemin who would refer to an arrêt technique (=technical stop), a similar concept.
The topic as such is apparently of never ending fascination. I conclude that there are three kinds of women: those who have been taught as small kids by their mums and grandmas how to pee when outside (probably a cultural/family culture thing), those who haven't (probably a cultural/family culture thing) and those who are mature and can't bend their knees sufficiently anymore. That's actually the main insight I gained from the video: there are grown-up women who didn't know this???
[=er ... what?]
Never heard or seen this combination of two German words. In the given context, it sounds extremely crude and I'd strongly recommend against using it. I wonder whether she said Boxenpause. Boxenpause or Boxenstopp refers to car racing where the drivers stop at the boxes for service. It reminds of my French campanions on the chemin who would refer to an arrêt technique (=technical stop), a similar concept.
The topic as such is apparently of never ending fascination. I conclude that there are three kinds of women: those who have been taught as small kids by their mums and grandmas how to pee when outside (probably a cultural/family culture thing), those who haven't (probably a cultural/family culture thing) and those who are mature and can't bend their knees sufficiently anymore. That's actually the main insight I gained from the video: there are grown-up women who didn't know this???
Not been very well recently so instead of being out and about I've had a lot of people dropping by (no peace for the wicked).
Among them have been some who fancy walking the Camino and think they'll get better information straight from me than they would from a forum like this (fools) although I suspect there's at least one lurker here (Hi Carole)
Anyway, one of the gems they have turned up is this - covering a delicate subject sensitively and candidly and not something that, as a man, I would have researched.
I was especially impressed by the advice on choosing sloping ground and scuffing up the surface beforehand
So head off into the woods for a practice and, if it works for you, you have my friend Julie to thank!
I manage to wait until i get to a village with a cafe`.....Not been very well recently so instead of being out and about I've had a lot of people dropping by (no peace for the wicked).
Among them have been some who fancy walking the Camino and think they'll get better information straight from me than they would from a forum like this (fools) although I suspect there's at least one lurker here (Hi Carole)
Anyway, one of the gems they have turned up is this - covering a delicate subject sensitively and candidly and not something that, as a man, I would have researched.
I was especially impressed by the advice on choosing sloping ground and scuffing up the surface beforehand
So head off into the woods for a practice and, if it works for you, you have my friend Julie to thank!
Was that a little game you played, or were you just looking for your own "spot" and liked the same places.I wish the women would take their tissues/paper with them after peeing. While walking the del Norte this year we would predict where the next ladies spot would be and inevitably we'd be right. Around the corner and marked by paper.
Probably stopped a little further on every third paper stop?Was that a little game you played, or were you just looking for your own "spot" and liked the same places.☺
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