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piogaw said:During my recent camino de la plata, i have had the misfortune of walking in the early stages with some other pelegrinos in which one of them was walking with a very dirty dog. On two different occasion that i knew of, the dog was sneaked into the albergue pretty much in the middle of the night
Despite being told by one of the caretaker. In the other place there was no hospitalero present. Then this dog, with its owner, was staying in the kitchen and dining area with the other pelegrinos (2). I felt i was not in a position to object as i am not in charge even though this is a health issue. The next day as i was about to leave town, i was approached by an elderly spanish woman complaining about the dog being smuggled into the albergue. Also she complained bitterly about the smell. Maybe she is the cleaning lady for the albergue.
What would you have done in my position? Please give me your thoughts.
Navarricano said:I would have complained to someone. I would have told the fellow to get the dog out of the albergue or I will call the Policía Municipal.
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newfydog said:This is one thing I like about the French chemins. People and their dogs are never separated, and bring their dogs right into restaurants, sometimes give them a seat at the table and a bowl of something to share. Wonderful dogs, well behaved and fun to have around. It is a well accepted custom and if you made a scene the gendarmes would just laugh at you.
I would recommend those with dog phobias or hygiene fantasies to avoid France.
Here's a nice boy waiting for a table in the restaurant.
newfydog said:Navarricano said:I would have complained to someone. I would have told the fellow to get the dog out of the albergue or I will call the Policía Municipal.
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I would recommend those with dog phobias or hygiene fantasies to avoid France.
Here's a nice boy waiting for a table in the restaurant.
Navarricano said:France is France, and Spain is Spain. I know the Spanish ordinances. Dogs, with the exception of seeing-eye or guide dogs, are not allowed in restaurants, supermarkets, cafés, shops etc
Navarricano said:I would have told the fellow to get the dog out of the albergue or I will call the Policía Municipal.
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newfydog said:And I must apologize for rable- rousing. I will readily agree that dog owners who break rules do not do anything for human-dog relations, and that no dog should smell worse than it's owner
St Roch, with the dog who saved his life, bringing him daily bread, Eglise St Roch, Montpellier, Arles Route
newfydog said:And I must apologize for rable- rousing. I will readily agree that dog owners who break rules do not do anything for human-dog relations, and that no dog should smell worse than it's owner
whariwharangi said:If the rule is no dogs in the albergue then there damn well better be no (expletive deleted) dog in the albergue.
newfydog said:whariwharangi said:If the rule is no dogs in the albergue then there damn well better be no (expletive deleted) dog in the albergue.
I sure feel better knowing there are people out there who damn well take enforcement into their own expletive deled hands!
You might not like the French chambre d'hote where the dog climbs in bed to wake you up though.
Well saidRebekah Scott said:I live on the Frances, right in the middle of the Way. I have five dogs. Four of them were abandoned or brought here by pilgrims who wouldn´t or couldn´t continue walking with them.
In my experience, people who insist on walking with their pets are living out a romantic fantasy. The animal attracts extra attention, and that makes the pilgrim feel special.
Meantime, the creature himself is tired, thirsty, and often footsore. No one asked him if he wanted to walk across Spain, he has no choice. The dog/donkey/pony/horse/cat/canary/rat/ferret is carrying the weight of his owners´ ego needs, as well as whatever is in the load that is often strapped to his back. He can´t say no. He has to sleep outside, or in the store room, or wherever a place can be found, eat strange food, deal with local dogs and their territory issues...
And that is not fair.
Rebekah Scott said:In my experience, people who insist on walking with their pets are living out a romantic fantasy. The animal attracts extra attention, and that makes the pilgrim feel special.
Eyecontact dog vs. human is a direct threat, you say. I know. Human vs. human? It's called flirting... :wink: Heck of a difference. :lol:tony1951 said:People who have problems with dogs, just don't understand dogs....
If you meet a dog on the way that is showing aggressive, guarding behaviour when you pass his abode, don't try to face him down, looking him in the eyes, and glaring at him. Just avoid eye contact and walk on as if you don't care. He will soon calm down and walk away. Looking an insecure dog right in the eyes is like doing the same with a strange human being. It is direct threat.
tony1951 said:I read this thread with interest. Of course an individual who breaks the rules and sneaks a dog into the accommodation is being anti-social, but on the hygiene point, I'd say this; while it is possible to contract a tiny number of diseases from a dog, it is certain that you will contract about ten times as many diseases from another human being - especially in a crowded and smelly pilgrim dormitory. You are far safer from disease communing with a dog than you are with any human being, since human diseases are specifically evolved to target human beings. On the smell thing, judging by the malodorous state of some of the pilgrims I have had the misfortune to stay with, any moderately civilised dog, goat or horse would be a more amenable bedroom companion.
None of the above excuses the unfortunate behaviour of the sneaky pilgrim. In my experience, dogs are rarely sneaky. they generally try to get on with people.
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Animals I fear most:I've found fellow human pilgrims far more offensive/aggressive(choose your adjective)than any animal I've encountered on the caminos I've walked.
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