Singingheart
Kathy Dahm
- Time of past OR future Camino
- 2019
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Have you seen how HOO Challengers are made?For the Camino Portugués from Porto, no shoes should give you any problem.
I did it with sandals, very comfortable.
Buen camino.
I agree with this in general, although I find it varies from maker to maker. My ASICS last a bit longer than this - perhaps around 500-800 km before they have to be retired and used as training shoes. But Keens and Merrell shoes with the manufacturers sole composition have not had a very long life. The pair of Keens that I wore last year did very little work beforehand, and still only lasted from SJPP to Najera before one of the soles had worn through the outer layer.Start with a new pair, Hoka's are a performance shoe like running shoes, usually after 200-300 miles the cushioning is compressed and not effective and the sole will be worn down as well.
Thanks. That's the information I was looking for. What did you find in a trail shoe that has a wide enough toe box. The HOO Challenger works for me, because I'm wearing a long size for me. But if the sole wears out that quickly, I need to find an alternative.I walked the same route you are planning, with the HOO Bondi 3. It has a very porous sole and by the time I hit Porto the heal on one foot was completely smooth, with some smooth spots elsewhere. So my feeling is, because i think the Challenger has the same type of sole, that you will go through the thread well before you get on the plane. Are you already seeing signs the the thread is disappearing?
HOO now makes a few models with Vibram sole. You may want to look into those. The Mafate is one, but it is too narrow for me for long dostance walking -only good for the dog run.
To make the shoes as light as they are, somethings have to give. The sturdiness of the material, sole and upper, certainly gets affected.
Thanks so much. That's good to know. I could have a new pair ready to wear when I start the Camino and just use the ones I have now for training.I agree with this in general, although I find it varies from maker to maker. My ASICS last a bit longer than this - perhaps around 500-800 km before they have to be retired and used as training shoes. But Keens and Merrell shoes with the manufacturers sole competition have not had a very long life. The pair of Keens that I wore last year did very little work beforehand, and still only lasted from SJPP to Najera before one of the soles had worn through the outer layer.
One advantage this style of fabric/mesh construction does have is that it requires almost no bedding in - it conforms to the contours of the foot pretty much straight out of the box. So buying a new pair just before you walk is not the problem it might be for a leather boot.
Thanks. I do use Superfeet insoles, and they help.I found that I can extend the lifespan of my shoes (Merrell Moab Ventilators, non waterproof) by using Dr. Sholl's Active Gel Insoles. Any decrease in comfort due to compression of the shoe after a few hundred miles is mitigated by the insole. They are very comfortable and I have gotten well over 1000 km out of my shoes. Just a thought.
I have worn Salomon Ultra 2GTX. No problem with the toe box, but also not the comfort of the HOO.Thanks. That's the information I was looking for. What did you find in a trail shoe that has a wide enough toe box. The HOO Challenger works for me, because I'm wearing a long size for me. But if the sole wears out that quickly, I need to find an alternative.
I found that I can extend the lifespan of my shoes (Merrell Moab Ventilators, non waterproof) by using Dr. Sholl's Active Gel Insoles. Any decrease in comfort due to compression of the shoe ...
Thank you again. I've tried so many different shoes without finding the comfort I've found in the HOO Challenger. Today I tried on the HOO Speedgoat 2, which has great reviews, at REI. They have a vibrum sole, which would be good. But they just don't have quite the wonderful width in the toe box, and when I put my Challenger's back on, my feet gave an almost audible sigh of relief. So I think I'll order a second pair of the Challenger's and save them to wear on the Camino, using the ones I have now for training. I'll surely be walking more than 200 miles in my training, so I should be able to see how they've held up. I'm a little resigned to having pain in my toes though, because I had so much pain on the FC, wearing Keen boots. It took a couple of weeks for the pain to set in, but I took 45 days, and most of that was with a lot of toe pain. I survived on Ibuprofen and Tylenol 2. I'm hoping not to repeat that.I have worn Salomon Ultra 2GTX. No problem with the toe box, but also not the comfort of the HOO.
HOO has come up with a number of models in regukar and wide, bit apparently none with the sturdier longer lasting Vibram sole.
Have you ever tried the Altras? Met a person on the Camino who LOVED hers, and heard the same from a few other people. Went to try them and they are super comfy, you feel as if toes are completely free. But, these shoes have no angle, they are refered to as "zero drop" and I need to check with my podiatrist first necause of the Plantar Fasciitis.
I missed my HOO when walking VDLP and considered buying some in Spain. Only a couple of retailers, so would have had to have them shipped to a post office/albergue, so I just kept on with my Salomons. HOO are special.
It would be rare for soles that start to be less compressible or wear through the outer layer to be unusable. The change won't be sudden, and unless the sole separates, just keep wearing them, noting they won't give the same bounce or traction they might have when new.But if the sole wears out that quickly, I need to find an alternative.
Thanks for the good advice.It would be rare for soles that start to be less compressible or wear through the outer layer to be unusable. The change won't be sudden, and unless the sole separates, just keep wearing them, noting they won't give the same bounce or traction they might have when new.
I was told the same in several shoes stores, during my hunt for shoes. It just is.The REI folks said that many trail shoes only last a few hundred miles.
Nothing ever 'just is'I was told the same in several shoes stores, during my hunt for shoes. It just is.
Excellent decison on the purchase of a second pair. You like them, you can afford it, go for it.But they just don't have quite the wonderful width in the toe box, and when I put my Challenger's back on, my feet gave an almost audible sigh of relief. So I think I'll order a second pair of the Challenger's and save them to wear on the Camino, using the ones I have now for training.
I survived on Ibuprofen and Tylenol 2. I'm hoping not to repeat that.
Podiatrist has me throw my super sturdy Salomons after 600km, so 600 miles on Altras is very good. And it's not just the tread, but the rest of the internal structure.I did around 600 miles, and threw them away when I returned. The soles were wearing down too much.!
Thanks. That's the information I was looking for. What did you find in a trail shoe that has a wide enough toe box. The HOO Challenger works for me, because I'm wearing a long size for me. But if the sole wears out that quickly, I need to find an alternative.
I just complete the Norte/Primitivo in a pair of Altra Lone Peak trail runners. They have a wide toe box but also fit my narrow heel. The sole is "vibram-like". I used Ininji toe sock liners and Thorlo Experia socks and did not get a single blister.Thanks. That's the information I was looking for. What did you find in a trail shoe that has a wide enough toe box. The HOO Challenger works for me, because I'm wearing a long size for me. But if the sole wears out that quickly, I need to find an alternative.
If the "zero drop" design works for you they are very good. Buen Camino.
I'm training for the Portuguese Camino (Porto to Finisterre and Muxia) for October of this year. I'm walking 5 to 8 miles a day with my backpack on, but also including occasional back to back days of longer distances, 10 t0 12 miles so far. My training has been primarily on the indoor track at the gym, because the weather outside here is dangerously hot. In late August and September, I'll get outside and take some long hikes on hilly terrain. My question has to do with the Hoka One One's I've decided to wear. They are the W Challenger ATR 3 model. I'm wondering if the shoes will hold up for all the training, followed by nearly 200 miles on the Camino, or whether perhaps I should get a second pair to wear on the Camino or to alternate now with the ones I have. Any advice?
Tor model? That is excellent news.My walking boots lasts at least 2000km
I'm training for the Portuguese Camino (Porto to Finisterre and Muxia) for October of this year. I'm walking 5 to 8 miles a day with my backpack on, but also including occasional back to back days of longer distances, 10 t0 12 miles so far. My training has been primarily on the indoor track at the gym, because the weather outside here is dangerously hot. In late August and September, I'll get outside and take some long hikes on hilly terrain. My question has to do with the Hoka One One's I've decided to wear. They are the W Challenger ATR 3 model. I'm wondering if the shoes will hold up for all the training, followed by nearly 200 miles on the Camino, or whether perhaps I should get a second pair to wear on the Camino or to alternate now with the ones I have. Any advice?
I just retired my first pair of boots, with a tear in my eye. I have often joked that I want to be buried with themThey were leather with Vibram sole. I calculate they have taken me more than 3,000 km, with a couple of new heels along the way. Sigh, farewell old friends.
I did 500 miles on the CF wearing walking shoes and carrying a pack and they stood up to it all the way and beyond. It is not tough underfoot Just longI'm training for the Portuguese Camino (Porto to Finisterre and Muxia) for October of this year. I'm walking 5 to 8 miles a day with my backpack on, but also including occasional back to back days of longer distances, 10 t0 12 miles so far. My training has been primarily on the indoor track at the gym, because the weather outside here is dangerously hot. In late August and September, I'll get outside and take some long hikes on hilly terrain. My question has to do with the Hoka One One's I've decided to wear. They are the W Challenger ATR 3 model. I'm wondering if the shoes will hold up for all the training, followed by nearly 200 miles on the Camino, or whether perhaps I should get a second pair to wear on the Camino or to alternate now with the ones I have. Any advice?
Great Idea! I remember seeing this at Casa Fernanda ( a truly magical place ) as well. I should do this with my tennis shoes, rather than continue to wear them.I am going to plant red geraniums in mine as a tribute to all those marvelous little villages where such plantings were a feast to the eye .
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