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What the Archbishop was saying (presumably) in Spanish was the Dismissal: in the Latin mass, “Ite. Missa est.” In other words, “Go. The mass is over.”Archbishop … said something along the line of, “the mass has ended”, to signify that the holy mass was over and now was the “entertainment” side with the botafumeiro.
We attended the 7:30 a.m. mass on August 5. No announcement.Is it my imagination or is their not an announcement before the Pilgrim Masses at the Cathedral asking people NOT to take photos or videotape - which would include the swinging of the Botafumeiro?
And the botafumeiro swung that Mass?We attended the 7:30 a.m. mass on August 5. No announcement.
Taking pictures at Botafumeiro time has never been an issue.Is it my imagination or is there not an announcement before the Pilgrim Masses at the Cathedral asking people NOT to take photos or videotape - which would include the swinging of the Botafumeiro?
I am not very familiar with the details of the liturgy of the various rites. But I have watched a number of misas del peregrino recently and the proceedings are always the same: First the Botafumeiro swings and only at the end of it the celebrant says "Podéis ir en paz" which I think is the equivalent or an alternative to "Ite. Misa est."What the Archbishop was saying (presumably) in Spanish was the Dismissal: in the Latin mass, “Ite. Missa est.” In other words, “Go. The mass is over.”
I've always been confused about videoing the botafuermo. In 2016 I thought it was supposed to be forbidden and I told myself I would not. There was an announcement that I could not translate, and was told it said "no FLASH photography" is allowed. When the bota' started swinging hundreds of the congregation started filming.Is it my imagination or is there not an announcement before the Pilgrim Masses at the Cathedral asking people NOT to take photos or videotape - which would include the swinging of the Botafumeiro?
This announcement is made regularly throughout the day by staff of the Cathedral. It informs visitors that they can take photos during their visit (not during Mass) but they must not use a flash.There was an announcement that I could not translate, and was told it said "no FLASH photography" is allowed. When the bota' started swinging hundreds of the congregation started filming.
Taking pictures at Botafumeiro time has never been an issue.
When we attended the mass in October 2017, we heard and observed the warnings to not take photos. We weren't sure how seriously to take that admonition, though, when we saw an ocean of cell phones whipped out as the botafumeiro started swinging, including those of two priests!Is it my imagination or is there not an announcement before the Pilgrim Masses at the Cathedral asking people NOT to take photos or videotape - which would include the swinging of the Botafumeiro?
I am not a Catholic (and the pilgrimage is for everyone) but strongly feel the Cathedral is sacred. It would would be a privilege as a non Catholic to just watch mass, and see the botafumeiro.When I completed my pilgrimage in 2018 I was blessed to see the botafumeiro 3 times. They were extremely strict about no cameras during mass. A woman a few pews ahead of me barely had her phone out of her waist pack when a guard was at her side admonishing her.
However, as @LavanyaLea says above, the botafumeiro ceremony takes place after mass has ended. That's when the crowds whip out the phones and cameras and start videoing away. It's pretty much a free-for-all from that point on. But mass has definitely already ended.
Cameras and selfie sticks belong outside the Cathedral in the plaza.I am not a Catholic (and the pilgrimage is for everyone) but strongly feel the Cathedral is sacred. It would would be a privilege as a non Catholic to just watch mass, and see the botafumeiro.
We too were confused in 2018 by the stipulation that cameras and filming were not permitted and then the number of people doing it. Including the privileged people inside the cordoned off area who participated in the mass, who were filming the swinging of the botafumeiro. And our neighbour in the fronot row who whipped out his 11 inch iPad…. Not inconspicuous…..When we attended the mass in October 2017, we heard and observed the warnings to not take photos. We weren't sure how seriously to take that admonition, though, when we saw an ocean of cell phones whipped out as the botafumeiro started swinging, including those of two priests!
The next special occasion where the Botafumeiro is due to swing at the beginning and not at the end will be soon, namely on the 15th of August. We'll have to log on and check what it being announced.When I went the Botafumeiro was swung before mass, and the announcement was that one could film that, but all cameras needed to be put away once mass started.
As a catholic, I would not call it a privilege. The mass is for everybody. Eucharist is for catholics because for the others it has not the same sense…I am not a Catholic (and the pilgrimage is for everyone) but strongly feel the Cathedral is sacred. It would would be a privilege as a non Catholic to just watch mass, and see the botafumeiro.
I think the correct translation should be: Go! You are sent out. (Or: You are envoys.)What the Archbishop was saying (presumably) in Spanish was the Dismissal: in the Latin mass, “Ite. Missa est.” In other words, “Go. The mass is over.”
2013Is it my imagination or is there not an announcement before the Pilgrim Masses at the Cathedral asking people NOT to take photos or videotape - which would include the swinging of the Botafumeiro?
Exactly. At first I started videoing like crazy, trying to capture everything but missing most. Then I realized how stupid that was. There I was sitting directly below the botafumeiro as it arched just a few feet over my head. And I was watching it through my phone. Really??? I put the phone away and took in the experience first hand.One can give their full attention to seeing the process from start to finish without using anything but their own eyes and other senses to create in the imagination a vivid memory that may never fade. But this means to watch attentively the actual thing, and not the tiny recording screen in the hand.
Indeed.A lot has indeed changed. First arrival I walked straight into the front entrance of the cathedral with my pack, on the Tress of Life put my hands into the imprint made by thousands of those who had come before, acknowledged Mateus with my forehead, climbed behind the alter to hug the Saint, went down into the crypt to worship at the shrine, then sat in the transept (still with pack) for the mass, the botafumero was swung at the end and there were cameras used, but no mobile phone cameras (they did not exist!) No queues.
I would definitely opt for a different church if one truly wants to worship, especially on special occasions. On Holy Thursday we were packed in like sardines and people who were standing, talked through out the liturgy. They took pictures and used their video cameras all throughout the mass, despite the announcements. So we went elsewhere for Good Friday and Easter.
A lot has indeed changed. First arrival I walked straight into the front entrance of the cathedral with my pack, on the Tree of Life put my hands into the imprint made by thousands of those who had come before, acknowledged Mateus with my forehead, climbed behind the alter to hug the Saint, went down into the crypt to worship at the shrine, then sat in the transept (still with pack) for the mass, the botafumero was swung at the end and there were cameras used, but no mobile phone cameras (they did not exist!) No queues.
I've been watching the live broadcast of the pilgrim mass at the Cathedral numerous times this year and I had never noticed this.I saw a video of a priest concelebrating the Mass pull out a cell phone to photograph the swinging Botafumeiro from the alter.
Of course he wanted to have his very own souvenir photos of a remarkable event, like so many of us apparently do. It made me smile.
It is never too late to learn something new and I am always eager to shareI am not very familiar with the details of the liturgy of the various rites. But I have watched a number of misas del peregrino recently and the proceedings are always the same: First the Botafumeiro swings and only at the end of it the celebrant says "Podéis ir en paz"
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