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?I am wondering if the mask is required inside the albergue and in bed for sleeping?
I suppose that the mask is required in the Albergue but I wonder in bed?
This question is for the people currently walking the Camino. Perhaps the rules are different in each Albergue?
Good question. It’s middle of the night in Spain so everyone likely asleep. Hopefully you will get a reply in a few hours.I am wondering if the mask is required inside the albergue and in bed for sleeping?
I suppose that the mask is required in the Albergue but I wonder in bed?
This question is for the people currently walking the Camino. Perhaps the rules are different in each Albergue?
I am currently staying in albergues and can confirm that masks or buff above your nose are required inside but not in your bunk so you can sleep well.Depends on albergue. When signing in usually yes. While in the albergue moving around some pilgrims wear one, some don't. I never saw anyone wear one to sleep but distancing and decreased capacity in albergues are still in place.
Don't worry about it. Use it if you want, no one is gonna want to police that. As of Saturday, no masks in public in Spain unless it's crowded or you are indoors
You’re right that they are not required outdoors, but I flew into Madrid Saturday and am currently in Pamplona, and EVERYONE still masks outdoors. So probably you won’t get in trouble, but currently it’s outside the norm. In albergues, we haven’t been wearing them after checking in, and not to sleep.Don't worry about it. Use it if you want, no one is gonna want to police that. As of Saturday, no masks in public in Spain unless it's crowded or you are indoors
The question was regarding inside albergues.Don't worry about it. Use it if you want, no one is gonna want to police that. As of Saturday, no masks in public in Spain unless it's crowded or you are indoors
I think it will take some time...probably by next spring it will be more normalized to not wear masks.You’re right that they are not required outdoors, but I flew into Madrid Saturday and am currently in Pamplona, and EVERYONE still masks outdoors. So probably you won’t get in trouble, but currently it’s outside the norm. In albergues, we haven’t been wearing them after checking in, and not to sleep.
Technically they ARE obligatory .... until tomorrow. Everyone here masked.You’re right that they are not required outdoors, but I flew into Madrid Saturday and am currently in Pamplona, and EVERYONE still masks outdoors. So probably you won’t get in trouble, but currently it’s outside the norm. In albergues, we haven’t been wearing them after checking in, and not to sleep.
I am wondering if the mask is required inside the albergue and in bed for sleeping?
I suppose that the mask is required in the Albergue but I wonder in bed?
This question is for the people currently walking the Camino. Perhaps the rules are different in each Albergue?
None have done so.some autonomous regions may decide to still enforce mask use
Hi Rozenn, Lynne from our weekly Forum Zoom chats. Thank you for taking the time from your Camino walk to share information.This notice boards are from Albergue de Sao Tome in Marinhas
It was more or less the same everywhere since I left Porto Sunday the 20th
In towns you wear the masks but not when you walk except when you meet someone in a narrow path maybe , especially if a local for respect
Call me a fun sponge, but let’s think about this for a moment. Does it make sense to wear a mask indoors but not while you are sleeping in a room with other people?I am wondering if the mask is required inside the albergue and in bed for sleeping?
I suppose that the mask is required in the Albergue but I wonder in bed?
This question is for the people currently walking the Camino. Perhaps the rules are different in each Albergue?
Depends if you’re snoringI am wondering if the mask is required inside the albergue and in bed for sleeping?
I suppose that the mask is required in the Albergue but I wonder in bed?
This question is for the people currently walking the Camino. Perhaps the rules are different in each Albergue?
Wish every albergue would invest in a CO2 sensor.
I love the extra security of this device at my office to monitor the air quality.
Ventilation is key!
Call me a fun sponge, but let’s think about this for a moment. Does it make sense to wear a mask indoors but not while you are sleeping in a room with other people?
What are the factors we might consider:
1.) Inhalation of airborne droplets and fine aerosol particles containing the virus are a primary source of spreading CoVid. (See https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...text=The risk of SARS-,increasing time after% )
2.) Risk of infection increases with the degree of exposure to the virus. The setting (indoor vs outdoor), proximity and length of exposure all seem to matter.
3.) People infected with CoVid can be asymptotic, and odds seem high asymptotic carriers can spread the disease. (See https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/fo...tions-contribute-to-over-50-percent-of-spread ).
4.) The efficacy of masks in preventing the spread of CoVid depends on the type of mask, but it is generally believed that something covering the face is better than nothing.
5.) Albergue dormitories are settings of high human density, close proximity, long duration of possible exposure (overnight) and are often poorly ventilated spaces. Common areas - showers, wash rooms, toilets, kitchens, etc - are areas of possible contact exposure. A year ago albergues would have been considered prime venues for super-spreader events.
6.) Health authorities and government policy makers (aka, the “experts”) have made mistakes during the pandemic, so they may make additional mistakes as they relax the social restrictions. They also set policy based on what’s in the common good, broadly defined. They are not interested in keeping you, as an individual person, safe from all harm. That’s your responsibility.
7.) Vaccination has clearly been shown to dramatically lessen the risks of infection (and therefore personal risk of spreading the disease), but how do you know if the people sleeping in the bunk room with you have been vaccinated?
8.) The CoVid variants now in circulation are thought to be more infectious that the original virus.
9.) Thank God, the situation now is vastly improved since last year. But the facts listed above remain.
So, to sleep with a mask, or not? The answer seems to be a matter of how much risk are you comfortable taking?
If you want to lower the risks involved on Camino in the Age of CoVid, you probably should wear a mask while you are in the confined spaces of the albergue.
Alternatively, you could consider more private forms of accommodation - single or double rooms in private albergues, guest houses, or small hotels. You could think of the additional cost as an health insurance policy.
As always, it’s up to you.
Buen Camino!
No, it is not up to you. It is up to the Covid-19 Safety protocol that the albergue had to implement and that you have to follow if you want to stay there.If you want to lower the risks involved on Camino in the Age of CoVid, you probably should wear a mask while you are in the confined spaces of the albergue.
As always, it’s up to you.
If the measures are followed and there is a prescribed distance between the beds, there is no danger of the virus spreading due to a longer stay in the room during sleep.Call me a fun sponge, but let’s think about this for a moment. Does it make sense to wear a mask indoors but not while you are sleeping in a room with other people?
What are the factors we might consider:
1.) Inhalation of airborne droplets and fine aerosol particles containing the virus are a primary source of spreading CoVid. (See https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html#:~:text=The risk of SARS-,increasing time after% )
2.) Risk of infection increases with the degree of exposure to the virus. The setting (indoor vs outdoor), proximity and length of exposure all seem to matter.
3.) People infected with CoVid can be asymptotic, and odds seem high asymptotic carriers can spread the disease. (See https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/fo...tions-contribute-to-over-50-percent-of-spread ).
4.) The efficacy of masks in preventing the spread of CoVid depends on the type of mask, but it is generally believed that something covering the face is better than nothing.
5.) Albergue dormitories are settings of high human density, close proximity, long duration of possible exposure (overnight) and are often poorly ventilated spaces. Common areas - showers, wash rooms, toilets, kitchens, etc - are areas of possible contact exposure. A year ago albergues would have been considered prime venues for super-spreader events.
6.) Health authorities and government policy makers (aka, the “experts”) have made mistakes during the pandemic, so they may make additional mistakes as they relax the social restrictions. They also set policy based on what’s in the common good, broadly defined. They are not interested in keeping you, as an individual person, safe from all harm. That’s your responsibility.
7.) Vaccination has clearly been shown to dramatically lessen the risks of infection (and therefore personal risk of spreading the disease), but how do you know if the people sleeping in the bunk room with you have been vaccinated?
8.) The CoVid variants now in circulation are thought to be more infectious that the original virus.
9.) Thank God, the situation now is vastly improved since last year. But the facts listed above remain.
So, to sleep with a mask, or not? The answer seems to be a matter of how much risk are you comfortable taking?
If you want to lower the risks involved on Camino in the Age of CoVid, you probably should wear a mask while you are in the confined spaces of the albergue.
Alternatively, you could consider more private forms of accommodation - single or double rooms in private albergues, guest houses, or small hotels. You could think of the additional cost as an health insurance policy.
As always, it’s up to you.
Buen Camino!
Ventilation is key!
Open windows could even make the situation worse because they could create an air current by which the virus could spread over a greater distance.
I don't think that is true. Ventilation is advertised everywhere as being very important when staying indoors.
If the measures are followed and there is a prescribed distance between the beds, there is no danger of the virus spreading due to a longer stay in the room during sleep.
Open windows could even make the situation worse because they could create an air current by which the virus could spread over a greater distance.
Good question. It’s middle of the night in Spain so everyone likely asleep. Hopefully you will get a reply in a few hours.
I'm afraid that aerosol scientists who study these things will disagree with your hypothesis. Exchanging fresh air from outside with air inside is a good way to dilute any virus particles that could be in the air.I note that I am not an expert but please still listen what I have to say.
We have two options, in one the windows are closed and the beds are at least two meters apart. We know it’s a safe distance and a sick man on one of the beds won’t transmit the disease because we know viruses don’t travel that far. The 8 hours we are spending in that room does not play a role because the virus cannot reach the adjacent beds.
In another situation, one window is open and a light or stronger current of air reaches through it. Thanks to this air current, the virus can "travel" over longer distances and will infect people in adjacent beds. Here 8 hours of sleep plays a role because longer exposure to the virus will increase the chance of getting sick.
If there are more open windows on opposite sides of the room, drafts can take the viruses even further.
I remember one case from the beginning of a pandemic, when epidemiologists were still investigating where someone got sick and to whom they could transmit the virus.
At a restaurant in China, one group celebrated a birthday. Above them was an air conditioner blowing from the wall across their table toward the adjoining tables. The tables were arranged next to each other in a regular line.
At the table where the celebrants were, six people got sick (I'm not entirely sure about the number of people, I'm talking from memory), three people at the next table, one man at the third, no one got sick at the other tables.
The air current created by the air condition device contributed to the spread of the disease.
Of course, we don’t know how hard the air conditioner blew, what the distance was between the tables and some other factors but you understand what it’s all about.
If there is a minimum required gap between the beds, there is a 99.99 percent chance that will not transmit the disease.
If you cause an air current to spread the virus around the room, the distance may no longer be enough and you will spend a lot of time in the room, more than enough to inhale a larger amount of the virus.
There is indeed a recommendation that the rooms be ventilated more often, but this recommendation is for rooms that a large number of people pass through during the day, it serves to get the virus out of the room, so that not all people who pass through that room during the day come into contact with a virus.
This does not apply to a room where one sleeps and where an infected person will be present at all times.
I repeat once again, I am not an expert and I cannot claim that everything I have written is correct, but I truly believe that my claim is correct and I base it on the basis of various studies I have read.
Let everyone decide for themselves, which seems to him to be a more likely outcome.
Since all foreigners will have to be vaccinated and with the hope that the Spaniards themselves, if they sleep in the Albergue, will be responsible, ie vaccinated, there is a high probability that ther will not be infected persone in your room.
In case someone gets infected after all, since we will be vaccinated, there is still a very high chance that we will be immune to the virus.
In the event that an infection does occur, there is very little chance that hospitalization will be required.
Two doses of Pfizer vaccine, at least two weeks after the last vaccine, protect against Delta strain by about 79% and from hospitalization by about 91-98% according to British data.
These are the latest data I have, not yet confirmed by the study but very likely accurate.
If there will be conversations in the Albergue room about open or closed windows, I will pass on this same information to them and I hope most will choose to keep them closed if possible.
If they outvote me or it's too hot and people decide to leave the windows open, I'll still stay asleep in that room because there's a very small chance of getting sick, and if it happens by accident, I know the symptoms will be mild and not life-threatening.
You make the decision for yourself, depending on your beliefs, health and age.
What about airflow in common small bathrooms with folks taking showers one after the other and little airflow.I'm afraid that aerosol scientists who study these things will disagree with your hypothesis. Exchanging fresh air from outside with air inside is a good way to dilute any virus particles that could be in the air.
Had a window been open in the Chinese restaurant then the indoor air would have been exchanged with fresh air, and the amount of virus in the air would have been greatly diminished. In this case though it was a closed system, without exchange of fresh air for stale air.
Whether one becomes infected isn't just about the minimum recommended distance, it's about the amount of tune that you are exposed to the virus. 8 hours in a closed room with no air exchange? Not the safest environment.
Opening windows remains key to curbing spread of coronavirus, say experts - Simple and crucial
A simple measure overlooked, opening the windows and ventilating the room is very important when it comes to curbing the spread of the coronavirus. There is more and more evidence about the importance of well-ventilated spaces and how just mask-wearing is not enough. Simple and crucialm.economictimes.com
People getup at night and go to the bathroom.Maybe I'm really wrong, but this article is not a confirmation of that.
It is said here that the particles stay in the air for a long time
(The particles can be suspended in the air for hours) but in this way there will be no transmission of the virus because we sleep on beds that are at least two meters away and in this way we are protected from the transmission of the virus.
It doesn’t matter how long you’ve been in the room if you’re at a safe distance and there’s no air movement to bring the virus to you.
The example given in the article I mentioned in my answer, in which case ventilating the room has a beneficial effect because people move through the room and alternate the people staying in the room.
English is my second language so I probably can’t explain it well.
Anyway, no need for further explanations, I wrote everything I knew and wanted to say.
There is always going to be air movement. The air that we breathe out doesn't automatically stop 2 meters away from us. That has just been determined to be the safe distance for short term contact - not for 8 hours in a room with no ventilation. Every time, every time someone someone gets out of bed to use the bathroom, or even just turns over in bed the air is going to move.Maybe I'm really wrong, but this article is not a confirmation of that.
It is said here that the particles stay in the air for a long time
(The particles can be suspended in the air for hours) but in this way there will be no transmission of the virus because we sleep on beds that are at least two meters away and in this way we are protected from the transmission of the virus.
It doesn’t matter how long you’ve been in the room if you’re at a safe distance and there’s no air movement to bring the virus to you.
The example given in the article I mentioned in my answer, in which case ventilating the room has a beneficial effect because people move through the room and alternate the people staying in the room.
English is my second language so I probably can’t explain it well.
Anyway, no need for further explanations, I wrote everything I knew and wanted to say.
This is a good idea.My suggestion to as many as possible is to find other vaccinated walkers.
Share a room with private bath and split the cost. You don’t have to walk with them all day, but plan on accommodations together.
And, as the article that you posted illustrates, masks are no where near 100% protective. They help in short term situations, but not for hours and hours in an enclosed unventilated space.With regard to the actual situation in albergues- i.e. whether masks are being worn in dormitories and shared spaces during the night, I think that regardless of whatever rules may exist, you should expect to encounter some people who can't or won't wear masks while sleeping. You should also expect to encounter people who can't keep their masks above their noses. You should also expect to encounter people whose standards and tolerance of risk differs from yours. How intimate you want to be with these people is up to you.
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