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For Camino's in Spain see: http://u.osmfr.org/m/247056/ openstreet map of caminos in spain and portugal.
Thanks so much, Chris this will keep more than a few of us occupied for a while!Oh WOW! @ChrisDor ... what have you done?! There are soooo many paths! thank you!
@ChrisDorJust...what @LesBrass said:
Thanks so much, Chris this will keep more than a few of us occupied for a while!
Very cool!
Just curious - What is the ring of blue dots near Logroño?
I think, if you do want to download, the easiest way is to:You may have found this but under the share option there is a panel that opens and has a download ability. The only files are gpx,goejson,and kml. But that should work as a kml. It downloads everything into one file. You can then open up google earth and select what you want to. It's displays the Camino routes as white lines which is a little hard to read. There are also a lot of segments.
Neither are stupid questions.I have had a look at this and have two questions for those who understand these things:
1. Can it be downloaded for offline use? If not, it is something to play with at home, but no use to me on camino. I do not use Google Earth when travelling, as only a tiny bit of what I am looking at online remains when I go offline. I suppose that I can use it with wifi to look at the next bit of my route but I currently find maps.me more useful when I walk than Google Earth.
2. If I can download it for offline use, or find a way to download only the route that I am using, will my location show up, so that I can see where I am in relation to the map and to the camino route?
These may both be stupid questions, for the people who can answer them, but I would like to know.
Neither are stupid questions.
1 - There is a huge amount of information on the site, not all of which will be of interest to you as you plod your weary way (do you need to know about a route in central Europe while you're on the C.Portuguese for instance?) Isolate the camino you are going to walk, download the .gpx and .kml file (grab both, saves converting)
2 - As @thomas 1962 says use maps.me, that works offline. If you have your smart phone on (switch to Airplane mode) and have tracking on it will show your location. GPSr is even better.
Otherwise it's great fun to play with at home with Google Earth or Basecamp.
I know! I'm not getting much walking in presently so I Camino vicariously on GE. Fascinated to see a pushpin in western Russia on the map but it turned out to be an escapee 100km east of Aeroport Goroda Penzy - in the Penzenskaya Oblast. About 4500kms to SdC. Now that would be a Camino to brag about - think of the size of the Credential!There’s a reason to get off my phone.....and onto a full size screen!
Feel free to start up a conversation with me outside the Forum. We can discuss where you want to go and I'll prep you a .kml route (if you like)Thanks, @Jeff Crawley
That's kind of what I suspected. The issue has arisen for me because I am walking the Madrid this fall, and wish to leave the route in the mountains near Fuenfria Pass to detour to La Granja, which is officially off camino. There is a road of sorts between the camino and La Granja, but it does not show up at all on maps.me. I have a long-time talent for getting lost in mountains and so am looking for some help. I already have the IGN maps, with the Spanish caminos marked on it, downloaded to my phone for offline use. There is a clear route through the mountains to La Granja on that map. But I don't know if, when I am using it offline, it will also show me where I am. As the IGN maps are only for Spain, as far as I know, I don't think that I can find out until I get there. It should still be as good as having a paper map, which is how I have found my way around in the mountains for most of my life (or not). Maybe I am getting too dependent on modern aids for travellers. There is almost nowhere to get lost any more.
Thanks, @Jeff CrawleyFeel free to start up a conversation with me outside the Forum. We can discuss where you want to go and I'll prep you a .kml route (if you like)
I did this detour in September. That is to say, I arrived in La Granja. A French guy that I set out with also ended up in La Granja but many hours after me and when we compared our day's experiences it was evident we had not taken the same route.Thanks, @Jeff Crawley
That's kind of what I suspected. The issue has arisen for me because I am walking the Madrid this fall, and wish to leave the route in the mountains near Fuenfria Pass to detour to La Granja, which is officially off camino. There is a road of sorts between the camino and La Granja, but it does not show up at all on maps.me. I have a long-time talent for getting lost in mountains and so am looking for some help. I already have the IGN maps, with the Spanish caminos marked on it, downloaded to my phone for offline use. There is a clear route through the mountains to La Granja on that map. But I don't know if, when I am using it offline, it will also show me where I am. As the IGN maps are only for Spain, as far as I know, I don't think that I can find out until I get there. It should still be as good as having a paper map, which is how I have found my way around in the mountains for most of my life (or not). Maybe I am getting too dependent on modern aids for travellers. There is almost nowhere to get lost any more.
I did this detour in September. That is to say, I arrived in La Granja. A French guy that I set out with also ended up in La Granja but many hours after me and when we compared our day's experiences it was evident we had not taken the same route.
I followed arrows, but with one caveat. When you come out of the forest after crossing the pass (and to be sure, that forest road goes on and on and on and you think it might never finish) you bear right and go through a large field (with cows when I was there). Segovia is ahead in the distance. You come to a road that you need to cross and the markings would take you across this road. However at this point I turned right and was actually somewhat surprised to see arrows along the way I took. The road continued on for ??3ish km?? and eventually turns off to the right. The directions I was following made it sound like you turn off onto a wee path, but the one I took was a full-sized car road. It led to a village whose name escapes me. The arrows disappeared and so I whipped out maps.me and wandered through the village veering left along a paved road. There was a lovely bar/restaurant and a Spanish couple invited me to join them at their table for lunch (which they insisted on paying for). From the table I could see an arrow pointing up the hill behind the restaurant but the restaurant owner was so insistent I take the road in front that I did. Don't copy me - it was very busy with trucks! Additionally don't copy my maps-me-induced shortcut up a road that leads to the back of the palace complex. Indeed it does but there is an enormous closed and locked gate so you have to backtrack.
It's a detour well worth taking. I waited til the palace opened the next morning and did a wee tour - and still made it to Segovia before lunch.
No problem - it's good to know "how to" so if it ever breaks you also know "how to".Thanks, @Jeff Crawley
But I am trying to find out how, rather than be given something. Although I am very grateful to the Dutch camino group for the camino routings for maps.me, which are usually all that I need to get around on the caminos in Spain. I have signed up for some tutoring on what I can do with my smartphone and hope that that will be useful for me in a general way on my fall camino. The IGN maps are actually a lot easier to use than they used to be, whether they have been improved or I am just gradually catching on. But personally, I would only react with "Wow" to a new and better offline map with camino routings. And with the speed at which things are developing, this is likely to be in the near future. Thanks again for the offer.
Mary Louise
Well that was interesting. I'm quite impressed with the way the IGN app worked. OK, I wasn't working on the Spanish map obviously but the app accurately recorded my track, saved it and when I opened it up in maps.me it was just what I expected.
I'd loaded the app onto a Nexus 7 tablet and it gave me fair warning that the app is battery hungry. It also came up with one of the best map rubrics I've seen in a long time:
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It compares well with my all time favourite:
WARNING: Roads are shifted, houses burn, are abandoned or rebuilt;
a round world distorts a flat map;
man’s memory is fallible;
expect not exactness.
Having said that I'm sure it will give you what you want.
@Jeff Crawley
I spent a few hours last night trying to make the IGN map system work. It provides instructions of a sort, that is, definitions of the functions of the app. These are available in English, and the app chooses the language to use according to the language of the device. But the English is obviously a very primitive machine translation. At best, I found myself putting the words back into Spanish and trying to understand what the instructions might mean in context. At worst, it is simply gibberish in English. And there is not enough basic instruction for those of us who are not really competent in using apps. I suspect that, like most other people who design apps, they design for one another (and for that tec savy 5 year old that we oldies here refers our challenges to) and don't really consider the needs of the many people who would like to be able to use the app, if we knew how. Or could figure out how. In my own city, residents are currently trying to figure out how to adjust to the changes in a public parking app: nobody wants to pay a fine because the app now has a different way to set up a warning message when the parking which has been paid for runs out.
I definitely shouldn't be addressing my rant to you, since you have been kind enough to offer to help. I don't know how you could help, however, as we don't speak the same language. I just go on struggling. I don't understand how to do basic things with the IGN app. And I just go on trying to do things, usually unsuccessfully, and occasionally something I do works, but I don't know what I did. I must say, maps.me is much easier to use. The simple directions of the Dutch pilgrim group made it possible for me to add the camino routes to the maps, and that has proven very useful. Both apps share the weakness that update are always going to be late. Word of mouth, passed on through this forum, is still how we tell one another that albergues have closed, a route been moved, or new services or accommodations are available.
I will go on trying, learning what I can and using what I learn. The camino has expanded my horizons in unexpected ways. And thanks to all those who try to assist we tec illiterate.
Thanks, Jeff. I can look later, Right now, a bit of cooking and a bit of translation... I really appreciate the time and trouble. Will report back as soon as I have had a chance to try it out.Really this is for @kirkie but you don't seem to be able to post attachments in Conversations so I'll hijack this topic (anybody can take a peak if they wish)
"See if the attached is what you're after. Once we've cracked the What you want we can go on to do the How you get it"
The manual in @thomas 1962 post above (#14) is very useful.
I have read A brief history of time twice, the second time, just for pleasure. But I don't understand the math which underlies it, just the basic idea. By the way, it was a Canadian graduate student who had the duty of telling Stephen that his mathematics don't work.View attachment 54412
If you feel a (mainly pictoral) guide for novices would be helpful let me know - I have time on my hands!
And, by the way, I'm the guy who was so pleased with himself understanding Hawking's Brief History of Time and then I got to page 17 . . . . .
Oh yeah. And here be dragonsWARNING: Roads are shifted, houses burn, are abandoned or rebuilt;
a round world distorts a flat map;
man’s memory is fallible;
expect not exactness.
Oddly enough it was found on an old map in a Colonial Era church in Boston - your one, not ours.Oh yeah. And here be dragons
You mean, like the poem "Desiderata" in Baltimore?Oddly enough it was found on an old map in a Colonial Era church in Boston - your one, not ours.
Yes, but thinking about it, it might have been VermontYou mean, like the poem "Desiderata" in Baltimore?
It answers a ton of my questions And I bet I'm not the only one. And the Dutch resource is fabulous. Wow - thanks for the link, Thomas!Indeed by opening a kml file in Google earth you can pick out any specific route and give it a colour.
To use these files, or any other KML of GPX files in OSMand or any other app like Maps.me, this manual might help.
For anybody who had a peek, I did what Jeff told me to do. I ended up with what he intended me to see on the screen. So, congrats to Jeff! Now, I will not promise to be able to do it a second time, but I will wipe what i got and try it again this afternoon. It is too windy for the bike, so why not hone up my tech map skills?Really this is for @kirkie but you don't seem to be able to post attachments in Conversations so I'll hijack this topic (anybody can take a peak if they wish)
"See if the attached is what you're after. Once we've cracked the What you want we can go on to do the How you get it"
The manual in @thomas 1962 post above (#14) is very useful.
As the IGN maps are only for Spain, as far as I know
Give it a go, @JabbaPapa, and let us know if you have any success...I haven't the foggiest notion if this data source could be added to it ...
Except the maps for Spain are from the Instituto Geográfico Nacional the national mapping body for . . . SpainIGN maps France Spain and I believe Portugal too (plus Andorra and that *one* hiking trail out of Monaco).
IGN is the French Institut Géographique National, so you shouldn't be surprised that it provides many French maps.
Nice clean, user friendly app. Not unlike the Dutch TomTom platform. You can upload .gpx to it.The maps app I'm using on this Camino is mapy.cz -- which appears to be perfectly cross-platform, as it exists as a website, a Windows App, Apple App, Chrome App, iPhone App, even a flipping Windows Phone version that I'm using myself !!
The desktop Windows PC version of it is particularly good.
I haven't the foggiest notion if this data source could be added to it ...
Made up my mind.. No walk today. Instead, having balanced the books, made the bread, cleaned the kitchen, made up the guest bed, I am going to have some soup and then - darran! attack Jeff's suggestions again. Let's see what ensues. Maybe I will win, maybe not. I will tell all. Jeff, by the way, you are very generous and affirmative
this kind of bread...What kind of bread?
Very cool!
Just curious - What is the ring of blue dots near Logroño?
I thought the same... I clicked on some but was none the wiser
...Salivating.....
Good morning, sir! I had a resident teacher show me yesterday how to make OSMand and wikiloc talk to each other. I do not yet understand, but I do not need to. It works. That is good enough for me. At the moment. I need to get ready to pack and head out the door on Friday. Next week I will have time to re-read what you did for me, and now I can be fairly confident that it will make more sense this time around. I was so pleased today to switch my phone to flight mode, and still see the routes i had found yesterday!Really this is for @kirkie but you don't seem to be able to post attachments in Conversations so I'll hijack this topic (anybody can take a peak if they wish)
"See if the attached is what you're after. Once we've cracked the What you want we can go on to do the How you get it"
The manual in @thomas 1962 post above (#14) is very useful.
Please forgive me! I am sore with laughing. just one little letter can make all the difference.!Thank you for this outstanding map with all the routes.
There is just one route I am missing. It is a route with all the yellow arrows and the official blue plagues with the camino logo showing the way. It is the route form Caminha to Valenca on the Portuguese Camino. I did it in 2017 and found all the markers of an official route. It was one of the most beautiful routes of the Portuguese camino (except for the routes along the beaches). Is there a reason why this route is not on the map?
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Kind words indeed. You don't have to know how it works . . . so long as it does! It's a bit like not knowing why a bike doesn't topple over as long as you keep peddling.Good morning, sir! I had a resident teacher show me yesterday how to make OSMand and wikiloc talk to each other. I do not yet understand, but I do not need to. It works. That is good enough for me. At the moment. I need to get ready to pack and head out the door on Friday. Next week I will have time to re-read what you did for me, and now I can be fairly confident that it will make more sense this time around. I was so pleased today to switch my phone to flight mode, and still see the routes i had found yesterday!
Now, once more, thanks, Jeff, and I will report back as soon as I have something sensible to say. Ok, that could be a few years. I will report back before the end of next week!
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