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I have only walked the CF so can’t compare. But I did experience a bit of a party atmosphere at times in 2015 and 2016. Different groups. Large groups of Spaniards as well as groups of Foreigners usually in the 20s and 30s age range though.
I have to say that we are going to try Albergues for the first time this year, and that is the one thing I fear most. Loud ‘party goers’.
But until we try it.......we will never know......
I hope you have just been unlucky. Could it be related to the ‘type’ of Albergue? Do some attract a different crowd? We will probably stick to the ones recommended by members here.....
Though I think it also depends where you stay. Half the time we tend to stay ‘between’ stages and that seems to help.
Thank you for your reply. I'm actually in Najera today. And a hour ago I was having breakfast next to the river. And a older gentleman next to me told me he would stay 2 days in Najera and hope it got better public wise. In he's words he felled he was part of the longest pub crawl in the world.I never encountered this on the CF. Maybe it was too early in the season? I did hear some 20-somethings talking about wanting to
party...after they arrived in Santiago. In all honesty, it was fairly mellow.
As always, YMMV
Thank you for your reply. I'm actually in Najera today. And a hour ago I was having breakfast next to the river. And a older gentleman next to me told me he would stay 2 days in Najera and hope it got better public wise. In he's words he felled he was part of the longest pub crawl in the world.
. Also met them four years ago on the Frances but even this year on the Ingles there was a group whose "waft of weed "you could follow.
On a longer Camino it might be advisable to stop in between stages like others here also suggested.
Hang in there!
Is it legal in Spain? Maybe just tip off the local constabulary
Drunk and loud is obnoxious anywhere, but especially on the camino.
(1) If we take their presence as a personal affront or as an intrusion on 'our' pilgrimage, we just suffer.
(2) But if we use that to deepen our resilience of heart and capacity to accept others and wish them well, no matter what...that's only good. But it's definitely not easy.
Ah, yes, true. But only if that means not doing anything, and that's not what I meant. Having goodwill is not the same thing as being passive - you don't have to put up with idiotic behaviour. It just means that what you say to whomever is doing that comes with an inner attitude of well-wishing rather than anger or self-righteousness. But the words can direct and even confronting. Think 'tough love.'In my view it merely condones and perpetuates poor / anti social behavior.
Ah, yes, true. But only if that means not doing anything, and that's not what I meant. Having goodwill is not the same thing as being passive - you don't have to put up with idiotic behaviour. It just means that what you say to whomever is doing that comes with an inner attitude of well-wishing rather than anger or self-righteousness. But the words can direct and even confronting. Think 'tough love.'
Sorry, I should have been more clear from the start.
Where are you two, Rob? SJPP?
I agree completely. I'm actually looking to see how I can get to Bilbao start againI never did walk the CF, because of the fact that it is crowded and it seems to attract people whose first priority is not walking.
Two years ago I walked the Primitivo which joined the CF in Melide. It was in beginning of June. It was a kind of a culture shock, so many people. A number of them indeed acted like it was a big party. Some walked with loud music,every few kilometers up came the next bar or terrace. After every bar we had to begin to pass slow walking groups, practically never we had a free vision of the trail ahead.
Some people may like it, for me my choice to never walk the CF was confirmed. In tree weeks I will start the Camino del Norte. If I get to Santiago, I'll probably skip the CF stages and take a bus and later will walk to Finister or Muxia
Well said, and yes, it is not easy.Drunk and loud is obnoxious anywhere, but especially on the camino.
If we take their presence as a personal affront or as an intrusion on 'our' pilgrimage, we just suffer.
But if we use that to deepen our resilience of heart and capacity to accept others and wish them well, no matter what...that's only good. But it's definitely not easy.
Is that this webcam? At 2 PM Spanish time I don’t see any pilgrims at all.Watching the webcam at Bando San Marcos just before Monte do Gozo, it looks like only about 10% of the pilgrims are carrying backpacks.
Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
Travel along the Frances is a lot like surfing. You have to wait for the wave you want, then ride it.
In the Camino context this means adjusting your daily pattern to avoid the folks whose behavior or attitudes distract you. The Camino Frances is certainly large enough to accommodate everyone.
The practical problem is that your travel pattern intersects theirs. Then, CHANGE YOUR PATTERN.
Walk more, or less each day. Stay in different places. I stay in private lodging (Hostal’s, Casa rurals and small hotels), so I have my privacy. But, this can create a barrier to you and others you might like to interact with.
Every choice we make, in life, or on Camino has consequences. Sometimes there are also associated costs.
I have observed that there IS a segment of the Camino Pilgrim population who view the Camino as either one of the world’s great cheap vacations, or as an opportunity to try to revisit their youth. This accounts for some of the behaviors you have observed.
I also suggest that the day of the week also has something to do with this. Weekends are famous on the Camino for attracting long-weekend, fair-weather pilgrims,
I recommend giving it another week, changing your daily pattern to seek to avoid the issues that concern you. By then you will have reached Logrono or Burgos. Both places have good transportation capabilities if you decide to make a radical change in plans.
Patience is learned and practiced on the Camino.
Hope this helps.
Getting ready to leave Bangkok.
Been kicking my heels here all weekend.....
I just want to get going!
Midnight flight to Paris.
Monday night in Paris.
Tuesday travel down to SJPP
Wednesday start hauling Pat up the Hill
Her nerves are starting to kick in but she’ll be fine once we get going
I liked this post. I am planning to do part of CF this June and have been a little put off by some of the comments about drinkers and pot smokers.In pragmatic terms, I also found that once beyond Burgos, the population really dipped until Sarria. So many who start in SJPDP have either only enough time to get to Burgos, or party themselves silly and give up, or get injured from going too hard...
I am not a drinker, not a smoker, not a pot smoker... But I have found that in the EU, as in Canada, most people are way more *relaxed* about what other people do with their lives than I am personally. The CF taught me to chill out about what other people are doing, and to let others who might be annoyed about something say so for themselves instead of me being annoyed for them. It really helps one to get along in the world.
Buen Camino
It's normal that Hostels and pilgrims menus are more expensive in Spain than in Portugal as the cost of living in Spain is higher than in Portugal... and the locals who work need to live... this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route
It's normal that Hostels and pilgrims menus are more expensive in Spain than in Portugal as the cost of living in Spain is higher than in Portugal... and the locals who work need to live.
But they are still quite cheap compared to what you would pay to sleep and eat in other Western countries.. a pilgrimage is not synonymous with cheap holiday. Try being thankful.
Try walking "off guide". Most are walking on the Brierley schedule. Go a village more or a village less and you will avoid most of the crowd. Sarria to Santiago there is nothing to be done.
Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
How awful for Spanish children to be out enjoying their own country.I walked with a group of Spanish school children for a few days. I hated it, but it was what it was.
Just returned home after a bad experience on the Frances but I have to agree. One group of Australians, although nice enough guys, were definitely on a lads outing. Walking and drinking their way across Spain on a bucket list holiday. A Canadian who collects long distance walks and just too many people doing it because its now the done thing having seen too many movies. It just is not the same as it was when I first walked 5 years ago. Still, there were some on a religious/spiritual quest, a pilgrimageHi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
I walked the CF in Sept and Oct in 2015. I did not experience partying pilgrims at that time. Next year I’m walking in Mar and Apr. I expect we pilgrims will be too cold to party. Perhaps there is an extra dose of Spring fever letting loose this year.Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
Especially if the written word or filmed story of the Camino (or the AT and PCT) were created by people who did not actually even walk it. Simply stories based on the walk(s).Occasionally a pilgrim has read about a camino that does not exist, and may never have, and is disappointed that reality diverges from what he has read. If you take expectations, you are doomed to failure.
How awful for Spanish children to be out enjoying their own country.
Robo hope to see you and Pat on the trail, my wife and I also arrive in SJPD on Tuesday.
I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it wasn’t too bad and I walked from Lisbon to Finisterre in September 2017. The Portuguese Camino was great but as soon as I arrived in Spain it completely changed. Lots of groups of ill mannered, loud, inconsiderate people. I swore I would never do it again, but now I’m planning on walking from Le Puy to Pamplona. I’m hooked.Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
Yes, indeed. The more I can see my annoyance as the problem, the easier things get.Don't waste your fabulous Camino concerning yourself with how others are doing it.
Well, we are all different, but I draw the line at selfish obnoxiousness. "It's my camino, it's your camino" is all well and good - until it becomes an excuse to do whatever you want no matter how it affects others. Self-centred entitlement has no place anywhere - no matter what the "self-esteem" movement says.Remember,it's their Camino too,that's what they enjoy and it's not fair for you to expect them to be like you,and vice vearsa. The beauty of us all is how much we differ and experience things,wouldn't it be boring if we all were the exact same?
YAY! Enjoy, Rob and Pat!Picking up the eb shuttle today from Biarritz at 1:30.... finally on our way
Picking up the eb shuttle today from Biarritz at 1:30.... finally on our way
We will arrive Pamplona 1330, then bus to SJPdP. So excited!
Hmmmm each to their own opinion I guess.Yes, indeed. The more I can see my annoyance as the problem, the easier things get.
But that doesn't mean that I'm passive. I've asked people to please think of others - and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.
Well, we are all different, but I draw the line at selfish obnoxiousness. "It's my camino, it's your camino" is all well and good - until it becomes an excuse to do whatever you want no matter how it affects others. Self-centred entitlement has no place anywhere - no matter what the "self-esteem" movement says.
YAY! Enjoy, Rob and Pat!
Ah, yes, true. But only if that means not doing anything, and that's not what I meant. Having goodwill is not the same thing as being passive - you don't have to put up with idiotic behaviour. It just means that what you say to whomever is doing that comes with an inner attitude of well-wishing rather than anger or self-righteousness. But the words can direct and even confronting. Think 'tough love.'
And yeah......NOT easy.
Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
Good news about the Portuguese Camino. I start on Sunday.Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
Travel along the Frances is a lot like surfing. You have to wait for the wave you want, then ride it.
In the Camino context this means adjusting your daily pattern to avoid the folks whose behavior or attitudes distract you. The Camino Frances is certainly large enough to accommodate everyone.
The practical problem is that your travel pattern intersects theirs. Then, CHANGE YOUR PATTERN.
Walk more, or less each day. Stay in different places. I stay in private lodging (Hostal’s, Casa rurals and small hotels), so I have my privacy. But, this can create a barrier to you and others you might like to interact with.
Every choice we make, in life, or on Camino has consequences. Sometimes there are also associated costs.
I have observed that there IS a segment of the Camino Pilgrim population who view the Camino as either one of the world’s great cheap vacations, or as an opportunity to try to revisit their youth. This accounts for some of the behaviors you have observed.
I also suggest that the day of the week also has something to do with this. Weekends are famous on the Camino for attracting long-weekend, fair-weather pilgrims,
I recommend giving it another week, changing your daily pattern to seek to avoid the issues that concern you. By then you will have reached Logrono or Burgos. Both places have good transportation capabilities if you decide to make a radical change in plans.
Patience is learned and practiced on the Camino.
Hope this helps.
Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
If I am reading between the lines correctly it seems this is a safety issue. Seems like you are feeling unsafe. See if you can walk offstage and find a walking buddy. I hope you have worked it out and are enjoying your walk.Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
It has been a couple of years since I have walked the Camino Frances, and it may be slightly different in two years, but probably not much.
I never encountered anything remotely resembling one long pub crawl or Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke.
Did I see a few drunk pilgrims? Sure I did. Cannot say it was epidemic. I even saw some of the younger set smoking marijuana twice I believe, and I also saw locals smoking it in Pamplona. So what.
Definitely saw pilgrims of all ages meeting other pilgrims, and developing what I am sure were romantic relationships. So what. If one is a single or unattached pilgrim in any way, and one meets another pilgrim they are attracted to, and the attraction is mutual? Quien Sabe?
Cannot say I can pin obnoxious behavior or loudness to one nationality as stated in earlier comment directed towards Americans. That's a bit offensive. I always noticed that any bad behavior, which overall I saw very little of, was not nationality specific.
People are people. No doubt even in medieval times pilgrims got drunk or laid on the Camino.
The world is so much smaller now and travel so much easier and less expensive. Word gets out via books, movies or whatever about things like the Camino, or the AT or PCT and the crowds will follow. They're only looking for the same thing you were.
I never did walk the CF, because of the fact that it is crowded and it seems to attract people whose first priority is not walking.
Two years ago I walked the Primitivo which joined the CF in Melide. It was in beginning of June. It was a kind of a culture shock, so many people. A number of them indeed acted like it was a big party. Some walked with loud music,every few kilometers up came the next bar or terrace. After every bar we had to begin to pass slow walking groups, practically never we had a free vision of the trail ahead.
Some people may like it, for me my choice to never walk the CF was confirmed. In tree weeks I will start the Camino del Norte. If I get to Santiago, I'll probably skip the CF stages and take a bus and later will walk to Finister or Muxia
Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
The Portuguese Camino was great but as soon as I arrived in Spain it completely changed.
Le Puy to Pamplona.
Throw his book away , thats what the Spanish kids did in 07 when very few walked it.Most are walking on the Brierley
The short and simple answer to all Camino's and lifeSometimes you just have to suck it up and get on with it.
I have to be able to sleep, so I pay a little more and stay in more expensive hostels or small hotels.Hi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
I have walked the CF 3 times, 2015,16 and 17 in May/June and will go again this year in September. (ps this time with my daughter, After this year all my kids will have walked with me : ) ) Anyway , I never ran into weed smoking people....(My kids sometimes wished we did) and never had to deal with drunk and loud people. Truth to be told , like Robo , I only sleep in Albergues that have private rooms and/or hostals. So maybe indeed like many have said. Take a rest day and you may be walking with a totally other crowd. Now as for the food, last year was for me the same as the 2 years prior. Same food and give or take the same (super cheap ) prices of 8 to 12 Euros for a 3 course pilgrims menu with wine.. Hope it gets better for you so you can enjoy this beautiful path.
I noticed that the further we walked rhe less a curfew was enforced and the more alcohol was consumed not only by the 50+ crowd i might addHi guys,
10 days in now. And I have to say this Camino is not turning out what I expected it to be. I feel like the French way is a victim of its own commercial success. Hostels and pilgrim menus are roughly 33% more expensive then on the Portuguese route.
And I feel it gets the wrong kind of people as well... This looks like a spring break for 50+ people. The hours don't get respected in alberques, people drinking alcohol all night and be loud and annoying. Guys hidding on every girl they see.
For example in Viana I encountered 2 pilgrims smoking joints on the terrace of a alberques while children where playing in the alberques garden. 1h later they where both KO sleeping in the chairs and no way for the owner to wake them up.
So maybe its me but I miss the silens and encounters from the people on the Portuguese and primitive Camino.
T, I haven't seen your sarcastic side before.... Nice.How awful for Spanish children to be out enjoying their own country.
On our CF, the most shocking alcohol event was the local Spanish teens in Logrono, at the start of the wine festival. That was Saturday afternoon when we walked in, looked like the end of civilisation but was all good by evening when the parents and grandparents came out. The street cleaners cleared it all up overnight and It was fine the next day.
The most offensive person I met was another Australian, mainly due to his attitude to a hostel owner but then confirmed when we stayed overnight later. Ouch!
All part of the Camino process.
I know - ruins the cola doesn't it?You must have come into Logrono the same day I did. I got the last bed in the Municipal and that wine festival was nuts. The streets were still covered in garbage when I got up and they were in the process of clean up. The jovenes were drinking wine mixed with coca cola. Yech. Right there in the heart of La Rioja!
I walked the CF in the fall of 2016 as a solo female pilgrim. I needed to walk it alone for reasons I will not go into. I enjoyed meeting pilgrims for supper but other than that was on my own. I never encountered any major “partying “, and enjoyed hearing the other experiences. It was an experience that totally changed my outlook on life and let me come to terms with many issues. I was fortunate to not experience any major people looking to party but still enjoyed having a great time. Buen CaminoThank you for your reply. I'm actually in Najera today. And a hour ago I was having breakfast next to the river. And a older gentleman next to me told me he would stay 2 days in Najera and hope it got better public wise. In he's words he felled he was part of the longest pub crawl in the world.
Hi Sporkie,I was referring to the Spanish part on Camino Portuguese and if you googled it you would see the entire primitivo is in spain... But its ok. Several people contacted me by chat to explain how this comes. And since all of them told me the same story I assume its true. And it backs up my story perfectly.
Have a wonderfull journey you two.Picking up the eb shuttle today from Biarritz at 1:30.... finally on our way
We had such a good time in Lograno. The red wine mixed with cola was prevalent in Pamplona when we were there. All the locals in the tapas bars were drinking it...called a kalimuxto, or something close to that. Like a sangria and, while I agree it is a bit of a heresy to combine red wine with coke, it was refreshing. The only problem was that the caffeine kept me up all night.You must have come into Logrono the same day I did. I got the last bed in the Municipal and that wine festival was nuts. The streets were still covered in garbage when I got up and they were in the process of clean up. The jovenes were drinking wine mixed with coca cola. Yech. Right there in the heart of La Rioja!
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