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SabineP said:If one has a helpline , a person who you can call at certain times or a companion/ buddy who you can talk to en route ( and who is equipped to help out ) I would give it a go.
SabineP said:Stable mental problems or like stable physical issues : structure and time to rest, maybe use more private accomodations than albergues..., structure also in eating habits
Structure , structure, taking one's time and having a lifeline, compagnon de route...And assessment of the specific stresslevels.
tamtamplin said:so - if you are stable in your meds
and if you feel confident in yourself
and if your psdoc gives the go ahead
Beiramar observed: I found out he had absolutely NO IDEA what kind of sport we were talking about (which was important, dealing with fears of drowning in rageous sea etc.)
Arn said:When I was flying there was a scale of stressful incidents with related points: Getting engaged/married/divorced 100 points. Buying a new house/boat/car 25 points. Getting a traffic ticket that morning 50 points. Having a fight with your significant other 25 points. Losing a loved one 100 points, etc. Any single incident, or combination that resulted in 100 points...you were grounded for that day and sent to speak with the psydoc as a way to vent, or upon relating the situation further treatment might be needed.
A very good question which I had to deal with in my job in a tourist club giving information to our members on pilgrimage.beiramar said:Would you recommend doing the camino to someone who suffers from a depression/ panic attacks/ or other disorders?
jpflavin1 said:A topic when discussed in an opinion forum could unintentionally be harmful and as I stated my opinion is one of many here.
Much good came from the experience, but I know how harrowing it can be when your mental condition isolates and alienates you from the merry, sweet, mystical pilgrims around you -- they are having the time of their lives and are really connecting to one another.
You are walking the same path, seeing their joy, but have a few feet of insulating numbness between you and them. Very sad.
Mishandling a call can have tragic results. Mishandling a post in this forum could have similar results.
Admonitions that predate modern tort law by nearly 2,500 years, and the existence of America by two millenia. I doubt it was prompted by a fear of lawyers.I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone...
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.
jpflavin1 said:My fellow Pilgrims:
While there may be some qualified people on this forum to answer this question, the vast majority in my opinion are not. This is a health professional patient question, in my opinion.
Well, I have posted on this before, but deleted them due to a negative PM received which left me thinking, "why bother?".
However, I can't let this go without comment.
I don't think anyone on here is "equating mental health issues with blisters and bed bugs"
Those of us who do suffer from depression, for example, are perhaps as well "qualified" to offer advice/experience/recollection to others, as those who've suffered blisters or bed bugs. We are all adults here, and I don't think anyone is going to be swayed one way or another about going on camino by anything said here, "qualified" or otherwise.
As far as I can see, no-one has told the OP that one SHOULD, or SHOULD NOT contemplate going on camino if one suffers from, "depression, panic attacks or other disorders" .
The subject has had a good airing, which is, after all, what this forum is all about, but you are yourself in as much in danger of pushing a controversial view as those you detract.
sillydoll said:"My name is Sil, and I am addicted to the Camino'.
... it must be time to read Erasmus' In Prais of Folly again: "... and a third by all means must travel a pilgrim to Rome, Jerusalem, or some shrine of a saint elsewhere, though he have no other business than the paying of a formal impertinent visit, leaving his wife and children to fast, while he himself forsooth is gone to pray...." > pilgrim-books/topic5566.html :?sillydoll said:... when we start getting itchy feet...
This may be true. I didn't find this when I walked first in 1999. The people I met recogbnised that being open to the "burdens" of others was part of the lessons of the Camino. If this is the way the Camino is now then perhaps it is a victim now of its own success? For that reason, I would not walk the Camino Frances again.Every one of us has met the pilgrim that was too needy or intrusive, and they almost always were shunned after their condition had become apparent. The early kindness and sympathy that is found universally in pilgrims wears thin when someone has become a burden.
That is just life, not mental illness! I don't think it is moot to distinguish between life and mental illness. Giving support and encouragement is the point of this Forum. That is a far cry from leading someone who is mentally ill to think that s/he will find a cure on the Camino. I personally find it very therapeutic to walk on the Camino, but it is not curing any underlying mental health issues. It is more a primal scream that makes me feel better. Chocolate might be just as good, and it is cheaper and less strenuous...However, "the rest of us" - the other 17% who are working their way out of say a broken marriage, a death in the family, an enforced career change, a disappointment in faith, life, reason...
and saysHowever, "the rest of us" - the other 17% who are working their way out of say a broken marriage, a death in the family, an enforced career change, a disappointment in faith, life, reason...
For the remaining 80%, yes it is "life". Grief over any of the things I mention is not "mental illness" in the way Falcon is discussing it. It is a movement through pain and a needed one. But neither is it "wholeness": it is "dis-ease". From a philosopher's point of view (and from the point of view of the World Health Organisation whose definition I have added in an earlier post) that is hardly "health". But that is not what I am getting at. (Another moot point.)That is just life, not mental illness!
Grief at a loss is normal; committing suicide at a loss would be mental illness. In general, experiencing emotions is not mental illness. Obsessing on the emotions might be.
falcon269 said:All of this is peripheral to the issue of providing internet counseling to the mentally ill. I still think that it is a bad idea with potential to cause harm.
If some of my patients ( some I have known for over 15 years ) ask me if they were able to walk the Camino I would say "give it a go "...
At the same time if some of my friends, without any history in mental health problems, would ask me the same question : I would advice against it...
I already answered that very relevant and productive question, but perhaps there is still one more aspect of pilgrimage that could be discussed in this beautiful and very interesting (What makes a pilgrim tick?) and nicely seasoned thread because it might interest more pilgrims and professionals.beiramar said:Would you recommend...
Disappointment. Closing in on the two-week mark, I always hit the wall physically and mentally, and I want to quit. I disappoint myself because I know I can go on. Naturally, I turn inward to something like sullenness, except for my anger, which I turn outward!instead they would get angry, impatient, discontent and behaving un-pilgrim-like. The question 'why' has never left me and untill now I didn't get any answers, so...
Anyone?
JohnnieWalker said:Errrr...I suspect Senor Falcon is at home and was speaking reflectively about his experience
I have no doubt however he will appreciate our concern about his well being.
Abbeydore said:SabineP, Thank you for your wise words, "Give it a go", Love it, doesn't mean you'll make it, just means enjoy!
ps can we have an Avatar of you or another pic, please.
Falcon, a clear head(again) ........Love it(bet that chap will remember you forever)
JW........you look like a drinker to me, but you are clearly not!, can you change your A, it's ok I'm slowly getting used to it. & wise words thank you.
SabineP said:Here you go : pic of me. Now take a good look because I might delete the pic again in a couple of weeks. :lol:
Jimmy Buffet, Margaritaville (no relation as far as I know to Warren)If we weren't all crazy, we'd all go insane.
Hi Laura-Lee, I agree with you about the expectations. They can overwhelm us to the extent that we don't recognise the answers that we are given because they didn't come in the form we expected.sweetlee213 said:A small part of me always expects a light bulb moment or some sort of breakthrough that will map my life out for me, when I go abroad. Perhaps that's why I keep getting disappointed. Perhaps you need to go into the Camino with no expectations.
Mostly I want to do something that seems bigger than me, something that will make me proud of myself no matter how far I get. Wow, that felt good to get out! Thank you for starting this conversation!
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