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In total darkness, it is easy to miss waymarks, especially in cities. After dawn, it is fairly easy to find the arrows. Leaving SJPdP has only one choice: Route Napolean or Valcarlos. It is well marked.How easy/hard is it to get lost in the dark when setting out
My numbers are basic, Scruffy; nothing should hold the peregrino back to do everything you say (...and more). While 2 hours for stops and rests are a good measure, nowhere is written that you need to walk 25km every day. My point is, that all the bustling and rustling at 5am in the morning is utterly un-necessary, thoroughly unkind and egoistic; leaving in darkness is senseless and can be dangerous too. What's your point?Pano is far too optimistic concerning hours and speed. There are natural sights to admire and photograph, there are churches to explore - spirituality to seek, there are new-found friends for a chinwag not easy at 5kph, there are cafe bars for coffee or the beverage of your choice and a break, bocadillo time, solitary thoughts and meditation as you walk, sudden inspiration sometimes approaching epiphany which m-u-s-t be written down, all combine daily to decrease pace and actually do make the Camino what it is – Santiago is just the excuse it's the Camino itself which remains- quote time
"Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you’re destined for.
But don’t hurry the journey at all.
Better if it lasts for years,
so you’re old by the time you reach the island,
wealthy with all you’ve gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaka to make you rich.
Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey.
Without her you wouldn't have set out."
.C. Cavafy
Cavafy was never in Santiago, Alexandria his stomping ground, but read all his poem "Ithaka" and you will understand.
Can only agree. I just don't like schedules, day plans, guidebooks, even menu del dia. Anarchist from birth.My numbers are basic, Scruffy; nothing should hold the peregrino back to do everything you say (...and more). While 2 hours for stops and rests are a good measure, nowhere is written that you need to walk 25km every day. My point is, that all the bustling and rustling at 5am in the morning is utterly un-necessary, thoroughly unkind and egoistic; leaving in darkness is senseless and can be dangerous too. What's your point?
Hahaha, now there we are in full agreement Scruffy, anarchist.....let's make a new club! Would like to share a bottle of tinto and some wisdom with you, some day.Can only agree. I just don't like schedules, day plans, guidebooks, even menu del dia. Anarchist from birth.
Looking forward to it!Hahaha, now there we are in full agreement Scruffy, anarchist.....let's make a new club! Would like to share a bottle of tinto and some wisdom with you, some day.
Ultreja!
Two anarchists forming a club - really! Who will make the club rules?Hahaha, now there we are in full agreement Scruffy, anarchist.....let's make a new club! Would like to share a bottle of tinto and some wisdom with you, some day.
Ultreja!
Thanks for your interest in joining the club Doug; There should be only one rule: No rules!Two anarchists forming a club - really! Who will make the club rules?
5km an hour perhaps for some, but certainly not for me. I learned a long time ago I walk at an average of 3km an hour. I leave at 7, arrive between 2 and 4, depending on the destination and the terrain. If I planned for 5km per hour I would arrive at bed time I'm afraidDuring September and with regular daily walking distances, there is no need to leave earlier than 8am: Average walking time for 5km = 1h; 25Km = 5h; ample resting time 2h, total daily walk-time = 7h. Meaning that you'll arrive comfortably and without rush at 3pm at your next stop, just when most albergues open their doors. Never understood those inconsiderate people that wake up everybody at 5am, they are the curse of the camino.
A guy from Zurich, a Jew, and a Dougfitz walk into a bar...Two anarchists forming a club - really! Who will make the club rules?
A guy from Zurich, a Jew, and a Dougfitz walk into a bar...
For an inspired piece of lunacy about how to form a club with no rules, google Goldie Hawn on the Dean Martin show "Dumb is Beautiful".Two anarchists forming a club - really! Who will make the club rules?
Knowing the Camino I have walked in the dark a few times, not always under full moon, and have had to call on pilgrims who took the wrong direction. Even with a flashlight it is not always easy to see the arrows, particularly if one is distracted for a crucial moment.[...] How easy/hard is it to get lost in the dark when setting out - are there any particular towns/villages to be aware of. [...]
Hi, some.I began to walk at around 06.30 , that was last April / May at that time it was starting to get light .Wish you well and a Buen Camino, Peter.We are hoping to start out from Roncesvelles on September the Sixth
Sunrise will be about 7.30ish by then and will only get later as the journey unfolds
How easy/hard is it to get lost in the dark when setting out - are there any particular towns/villages to be aware of. Trying to avoid the Brierley stop overs but no doubt there will be some overlap
Walking in moonlight is spectacular anywhere. And seeing the sunrise from the trail another sight to behold.
Jetgirl,
I am an early riser by nature, usually waking up an hour, or so, from sunrise. Being on the way at sunrise a lot while on the del Norte allowed me to experience many, many wonderful images. Here are a few:
Sunrise between Sobrado and Arzua
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Sunrise arriving at Santiago
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Daybreak in Castro Urdiales
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To the end ScruffyPano is far too optimistic concerning hours and speed. There are natural sights to admire and photograph, there are churches to explore - spirituality to seek, there are new-found friends for a chinwag not easy at 5kph, there are cafe bars for coffee or the beverage of your choice and a break, bocadillo time, solitary thoughts and meditation as you walk, sudden inspiration sometimes approaching epiphany which m-u-s-t be written down, all combine daily to decrease pace and actually do make the Camino what it is – Santiago is just the excuse it's the Camino itself which remains- quote time
"Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you’re destined for.
But don’t hurry the journey at all.
Better if it lasts for years,
so you’re old by the time you reach the island,
wealthy with all you’ve gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaka to make you rich.
Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey.
Without her you wouldn't have set out."
.C. Cavafy
Cavafy was never in Santiago, Alexandria his stomping ground, but read all his poem "Ithaka" and you will understand.
Beautiful, Peter! I have a photo just like that from O Cebreiro. Wasn't it an amazing sight with all those clouds below!View attachment 20539 View attachment 20540 Hi, O Cebreiro early in the morning last May. Wish you well, Peter.
Yes it was , wish you well.Beautiful, Peter! I have a photo just like that from O Cebreiro. Wasn't it an amazing sight with all those clouds below!
Leaving Roncesvalles in the dark even by starlight and with a headlight can be dangerous. The camino to Burguete parallels the N135 road but passes through a wood and crosses a stream. Many roots and branches often are on the path. If you can not clearly see the path you could easily fall. Do wait until first light.
Beautiful thoughts and photos here!!!
But have to put my 2p in. I have never ever on any of my Caminos started walking before 8AM and many times ended my walk at 6 or even 8PM. Have you experienced late afternoon light on the Meseta (for example)? I found it spectactural. And I don't want to change anyones habits but starting at 3-.5AM it's just shear stupidity to me. If you really want to experience clear stary night sky, why do you sleep at all??? And in albergue??? Stay awake and watch it all night longI did , that's why I have balls to write this, because I know I'll be close to be crucified for this statement.
Buen (early start bags rustling) Camino!
How do I apply for admittance to this sane wise and fun club. UltrejaHahaha, now there we are in full agreement Scruffy, anarchist.....let's make a new club! Would like to share a bottle of tinto and some wisdom with you, some day.
Ultreja!
Leaving Roncesvalles in the dark even by starlight and with a headlight can be dangerous. The camino to Burguete parallels the N135 road but passes through a wood and crosses a stream. Many roots and branches often are on the path. If you can not clearly see the path you could easily fall. Do wait until first light.
Perhaps a second rule . . . get rid of rule 1!Thanks for your interest in joining the club Doug; There should be only one rule: No rules!
Salud
..."Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you’re destined for.
But don’t hurry the journey at all.
Better if it lasts for years,
so you’re old by the time you reach the island,
wealthy with all you’ve gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaka to make you rich.
Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey.
Without her you wouldn't have set out."
.C. Cavafy
Cavafy was never in Santiago, Alexandria his stomping ground, but read all his poem "Ithaka" and you will understand.
In total darkness, it is easy to miss waymarks, especially in cities. After dawn, it is fairly easy to find the arrows. Leaving SJPdP has only one choice: Route Napolean or Valcarlos. It is well marked.
Orisson is on the Route Napolean, so you are a bit committed already. Neither route is easy, but Valcarlos does not have quite the elevation, and saves the steep up for the end. Often the down on the Napolean is harder on pilgrims than the up. Valcarlos will allow you to avoid slippery mud in bad weather, and has a good stopping point about half way. The second half has not food or water, but neither does the Napolean.we are spending the night in orisson...based on this any recommendations out there on which one we should take?
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