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Need suggestions for guidebooks to the Via Francigena

BobM

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Next year I would like to spend a month on the Via Francigena, starting in Canterbury and the same time in following years until I reach Rome. Ideally, I would like to do the pilgrimage in one go, but I just don't have the time.

I am looking for practical books (in either English or French) to help me plan routes etc.

Can anyone give me a few leads?

Thx

Bob M
 
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Start with the Confraternity of Pilgrims to Rome http://www.pilgrimstorome.org.uk/index.html

There is a Yahoo group Via Francigena http://groups.yahoo.com/group/via-francigena/

The best guides are from Paul Chinn and Babette Gallard http://www.pilgrimagepublications.com/ they can also be bought through the CSJ http://www.csj.org.uk/acatalog/_.html but be sure to get the latest ones.

Other guides to the Italian section include:

Alberto Alberti, G. Borgianelli Spina, E. Fiorentini & P. Villani, I Sentieri lungo la Via Francigena, da Siena a Roma, Rome: Rai Radiotelevisioni Italiana, 2005, 288pp, ISBN: 88-397-1344-1, 14euro

Luciano Pisoni & Aldo Galli, La Via Francigena Guida per il pellegrinaggio a piedi dal Gran San Bernado a Roma, Padova; ADLE Edizioni, 2004. ISBN: 88-8401-046-2. 12 euros

Monica D’Atti & Franco Cinti, Guida alla Via Francigena, 900 chilometri a piedi sulle strade del pellegrinaggio verso Roma, Milano; Terre di Mezzo editore, 2006. (Supplemento al numero 132, aprile 2006, di “Terre di mezzo”). ISBN 88-8938-565-0, 204pp, 17 euros

Alison Raju's guide will be published by the Cicerone Press very soon but I cannot yet give you a firm date. Like the Lightfoot guided published by Paul and Babette it will be split into three sections I am told.

If you need any more information please post here or contact me.

William
 
Three 30 day walks would be enough to complete the VF from Canterbury to Rome. I would have to say that the first section through France to as far as Besancon is a difficult start as the distances can be long and the scenery monotonous and facilities for pilgrims few and far between, there are a number of very interesting towns on the way though. It is a section I would be tempted to cycle if I were a walker.

The sections from there on are more interesting and once you are in Italy there is starting to be more recognition of the route.
 
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William Marques said:
The best guides are from Paul Chinn and Babette Gallard http://www.pilgrimagepublications.com/ they can also be bought through the CSJ http://www.csj.org.uk/acatalog/_.html but be sure to get the latest ones.

I recently bought these guides together with a fourth companion volume containing additional cultural and historical information from CSJ. The most recent third edition was published this year.

They are also available direct from the publishers

http://pilgrimagepublications.com
 
Thx to William and AJ for such helpful responses.

I am interested to find out a bit more about the 3 vol Lightfoot set by Paul Chinn and Babette Gallard. Unfortunately the excellent csj website does not allow me to see the list of contents or sample pages.

I have used the Brierley guide for the Camino Frances and MMD for the Le Puy route. Both are quite good, although different in approach.

I am not so much interested in lavish presentation, language, training or general advice. At this early stage, my needs are very mundane: Enough distance/elevation data to plan stages, plus availability of accommodation.

Can anyone help a little more before I fork out money for the Chinn/Gallard set?

Regards

Bob M
 
Have a look at this blog:

http://partypilgrims.blogspot.com/

Ben walked the via francigena to Rome, then continued to Jerusalem

The lightfoot guides contain detailed instructions including maps and GPS waymarking. There is also a list of accomodation.

If you join the Confraternity of Pilgrims to Rome, you will have access to their accomodation list.
 
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Anna-Marie said:
You can find some brief extracts from the Lightfoot guides on their website: http://www.pilgrimagepublications.com/vf guides.html.Anna-Marie

That's a very useful website Anna-Marie. I have only had a quick look at 2 of the the sample pages, but they are of cities and I really want to see how the books describe the stages.

I am embarking on a crazy obsession here! Why did I ever speak to that owner of the Pilgrim shop in SJPDP who put the idea in my head? Even worse was when I met a 60+ man who had walked from Jerusalem!

Regards
Bob M
 
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giorgio said:
one italian girl,Cristina, has been walking from Canterbury to Rome this summer,
have a look http://www.globetrotter-life.com/ViaFra ... htmGiorgio

Thanks, Giorgio. I am impressed that Cristina translates her comments into several languages while on the road. Her stage map was also useful.

I am starting to think that maybe I can arrange things at home to walk for 3 months.

Regards

Bob M
 
Bob

Until Alison's guides are printed the Lightfoot guides are the only ones in English covering the route north of the Alps, they may be the only ones in any language. I would say they are very similar to the Brierley guides in concept though the original editions contained their blog for each stage this has been dropped to lighten the weight of each volume. I know the cost is high but these are regularly updated and printed in small volumes and Paul and Babette have walked, cycled and rode on horseback much of the route on more than one occasion so they are written from experience.

No doubt Alison's books will be more compact but past Cicerone guides were walking guides without the detailed maps and accommodation information.

The most up to date information on accommodation for the VF is from the CPR whose members' provide feedback on where they stay each year. It is available free to all CPR members.

A regular poster Silvia is another experienced VF pilgrim and I expect she will have something to add to this thread.

William
 
For those with a little knowledge of Italian there is a mass of detailed information on the V.F. in Italy at http://www.associazioneviafrancigena.com. For each stage there are height profiles, percentage time spent on tarmac, farm track or footpath (how much can be cycled), assessment of difficulty, and detailed maps and directions. There are also details on accommodation. Too much information perhaps if you want to download all the information on paper.
Laurie
 
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:? That is exactly what we did in 2006 when 5 of us walked parts of the VF from Lake Lausanne to Rome. There were no guide books in English so we used the AEVF website to download dozens of maps and directions for daily 'legs' which we translated using Google.
We copied the directions onto the back of the maps and shared them out so that we carried the same amount of paper - and we took it in turns to be the map reader and guide for the day. It worked like a charm and although we got confused a few times (Google's translations can be hilarious!) we never got lost.
Just a comment. To me, the VF was nothing like the camino. Physically its probably like it was 25 years ago when there was very little waymarking, no real pilgrim accommodation and a lot of road walking. Also, spiritually (and this is my personal opinion) it did not feel like a pilgrimage. There is no Milky Way, no knight on a white horse, no traditions of carrying pebbles or stones, no romatic stories about chickens coming to life and no mystery about who lay in the tomb at the end of the walk. We only saw two pilgrims (at the Gr St Bernard hospice) and two cyclists in Sienna but no other pilgrims at all. And, of course, no End of the World to burn your clothes!
There was no romance to the walk and to me it was just a long hike through some beautiful countryside (who doesn't love Tuscany?) to a large city with an overpowering basilica at the end. I've walked 4 caminos but doubt that I will walk the VF again in the near future.

PS: If you are from Australia you'll probably need a Schengen Visa which is for a max 90 days so plan your route well!
 
William Marques said:
...the Lightfoot guides are the only ones in English covering the route north of the Alps.... I know the cost is highWilliam

I checked the prices on Amazon and they are very odd. The 2010 guides were about USD30 - USD40, but the 2009 guides are incredibly expensive eg Canterbury to Besancon new $141, used $80. Besancon - Vercelli new $105, used $126.

That seems crazy to me! Maybe there is a rational explanation why used guidebooks cost more than new ones, but it beats me.

Bob M
 
sillydoll said:
.... we used the AEVF website to download dozens of maps and directions for daily 'legs' which we translated using Google...... To me, the VF was nothing like the camino. Physically its probably like it was 25 years ago.... Also, spiritually....it did not feel like a pilgrimage......There was no romance to the walk and to me it was just a long hike through some beautiful countryside.... I've walked 4 caminos but doubt that I will walk the VF again in the near future. PS: If you are from Australia you'll probably need a Schengen Visa

Your comments have given me some pause.

I like the Google translation idea - it would give the required facts, and also a few good laughs. I am fluent in Japlish and Chinglish from my study of VCR user manuals, so Googlish should be fine :lol:

I figured the Canterbury - Besancon leg could be boring, but I thought the Italian leg might be better. No so?

I have done the Camino Frances and liked it for similar reasons to the ones you mentioned, and also the Le Puy Route, which I liked because it was so different. I guess you gain more insights into your preferences the more routes you walk, but now I don't want the frenzy of the Camino Frances any more, I want quieter, more reflective routes - not in the company of juggernauts hurtling past on main roads.

Having said that, I don't want to spend a fortune flying to Europe only to do a long bush walk that I can do perfectly well at home.

I have to think about this some more.

Bob M
 
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:cry: Oh dear - I didn't mean to put you off walking the VF!
Some Regions, especially in Italy, have more active VF Societies and so waymarking is better in that region. In a couple of areas the VF groups seem to be in competition with each other and there are confusing signs offering different routes.
Unlike the Spanish Federation (that is an umbrella organisation for about 32 independent camino societies) which co-ordinates much of the camino infrastructure in Spain, there are two main VF organisations. The AIVF (who is attempting to cover the whole route from Canterbury to Rome) and seems to be run by one hard working, dedicated person, and the AEVF which is a consortium of municipalities, cities, regions etc that covers the VF in Italy. There doesn't seem to be much co-operation between these two and resources are spilt.
In some Regions you might find monastery accommodation (which we found wasn't very cheap) and there is the odd 'albergue' - which can be used by hiking groups, bikers etc as well.
I'm sure things will improve as more people walk the route so please don't be put off giving it a try!
 
Bob

Remember Sil walked in 2006 and things have changed a little since then a couple of years ago the Italian Prime Minister got involved in promoting the waymarking of the route and though as ever in Italy this has not been a coordinated effort things have improved in Italy in that area. Waymarking of paths (not always VF) is very good in Switzerland as you might expect and almost non existent for the VF route in France. In England the North Downs Way is marked with VF signs from Canterbury to Dover.

Joining the Yahoo group will give you contact with walkers who have completed the pilgrimage in the last couple of years and they may be able to add recent experiences.

Perhaps one of these blogs will help:

Building a new classroom 
A record of Paul and Babette's journey from Arles via Montgenevre and Vercelli to Sarzana in aid of the children of Tabiro, Burkino Fasso 
http://burkinaschool.blogspot.com/

Frank Burn's Blog 
Frank Burn's blog of his pilgrimage by bike in to raise money for the Haiti earthquake 
http://frankburns.wordpress.com/

Globetrotter Life 
Cristina is an Italian Pilgrim. She starts at Canterbury on the 1st July 2010 and invites you to follow her pilgrimage daily on her web site 
http://www.globetrotter-life.com/ViaFrancigena.htm

How I arrived in Rome 
Alfred's blog summary 
http://alcva.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-i ... -rome.html

Linda's Blog 
Linda Stanley's short blog of her journey over the Apennines 
http://www.lindastanley.com.au/italy/index.html

Little Green Tracs 
Neville and Julie Tencer's blog which will include a summary of their walk on the Via 
http://littlegreentracs.typepad.com.

Omnes Viae Romam Perducunt 
Palatine Girl's blog of the Via Francigena and Italy 
http://viafrancigena2008.blogspot.com/

Oz Pilgrim 
The veteran Australian pilgrim , Garry Ridgway, walks La Via Francigena in the steps taken by Sigeric a millennium ago. He dedicates this pilgrimage to the great work in Radiation Oncology at Canberra Hospital. 
http://stepstorome.blogspot.com

Party Pilgrims - From Canterbury to Jerusalem 
Ben's blog 
http://partypilgrims.blogspot.com/

Pilgrim Route Finders 
Paul Chinn and Babette Gallard's blog 
http://pilgrimagepublications.blogspot.com/

Puglia 2010 
Andrews blog of his preparations and ride to Puglia 
http://eurovelo5.com/

Via Francigena Pilgrims 
Sylvia's Blog of the five South African girls' journey from Switzerland to Rome 
http://vfpilgrims.blogspot.com/

Walk for Italy 
Eric Sylvers blog 
http://www.walkforitaly.com/eng/index.php

Walk to Rome 
Ann Milner's blog of both 2006 and 2008 journeys 
http://www.walk2rome.me.uk/

Walking the Via Francigena 
Thomas's Blog in aid of Marillac Care 
http://tapascoe.wordpress.com/

Walking to Jerusalem 
James's blog of his walk to Jerusalem via Rome 
http://walkingtojerusalem.typepad.com/my_weblog/

Walking with Awareness 
Petra and Mike's Blog 
http://walkingwithawareness.com/romevf1.htm

Winter Pilgrimage 
Ann Sieben's Blog 
http://winterpilgrim.blogspot.com/
 
BobM said:
William Marques said:
...the Lightfoot guides are the only ones in English covering the route north of the Alps.... I know the cost is highWilliam

I checked the prices on Amazon and they are very odd. The 2010 guides were about USD30 - USD40, but the 2009 guides are incredibly expensive eg Canterbury to Besancon new $141, used $80. Besancon - Vercelli new $105, used $126.

That seems crazy to me! Maybe there is a rational explanation why used guidebooks cost more than new ones, but it beats me.

Bob M

I have encountered this with other books, in particular a book that my wife wrote. Evidently some book sellers will list a book that is not a commercial book by big publishers for a very high price, hoping that somebody will pay it...sort of like winning the lottery. I got on as a seller on Amazon and l put up my wife's book for sale at a reasonable price...after a while the high priced books went away.
 
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Well, William, you have certainly given me a lot of reading to do :)
Maybe the best thing is to just get the guidebooks and the list of accommodation and just work out for myself what is practical to do and just walk until my time runs out, regardless of where I end up.

The guy I met who walked from Jerusalem en route to Santiago probably had it right: Don't fixate on the daily schedule, just walk doucement. The really long distance walkers seem to have something mentally about them that is very compelling.

Regards

Bob M
 
I am working thru William's list of blogs. Cristina's is particularly useful:
Globetrotter Life
Cristina is an Italian Pilgrim. She starts at Canterbury on the 1st July 2010 and invites you to follow her pilgrimage daily on her web site
http://www.globetrotter-life.com/ViaFrancigena.htm

You can see her daily stages, costs, pics. With her live GPS tracking you can follow her daily stages exactly. Very organised and helpful for my prelim planning. I am sure there are other equally good blogs too, I don't want to offend others, but I want to give Cristina a special vote of thanks for the effort she has put into her blog. Grazie mille!

Regards

Bob M
 
I agree - Chrstina's blog is also in different languages which makes it even more usefull.
Our blog was a combined effort by 5 middle aged techno retards! None of knew how to download co-ordinates for a GPS (WTMB) and so relied on printed, Google translated Cryptic Clues! But, after chomping our way through Switzerland and Italy, I think our food pages were particularly good!
 
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Christina walked longer stages than I like to walk (often 30+km/day vs my preference for about 25km/day). Maybe accommodation availability requires long stages.

Anyway, I probably can't do the whole thing in 3 months, so more thought is required. I am no longer a down-faced youth, alas :( Moreover, Tempis fugit

Rgds

Bob M
 
Bob, when we were planning to walk the Via F we only had 30 days so we asked experienced pilgrims which bits to walk and which to leave out. All 6 agreed that the route through Switzerland and the Aosta Valley was the most scenic; a ±200km stretch from around Ivrea (end of the Aosta Valley) across the rice paddies of the north to Parma could be skipped as well as a short (3 days walking) section from Pontremoli to Lucca. So that is what we did.
You could walk from Canterbury to Rome if you bus or train a few sections in between.
 
BobM said:
The really long distance walkers seem to have something mentally about them that is very compelling.


That's the principal cause of the addiction.
 
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AJ said:
That's the principal cause of the addiction.

You are spot on there, AJ. I know for sure that if I complete the VF it won't be enough and there will be a residual discontent. In fact, it will seem quite an ordinary thing to have done and I will then look for something more "worthwhile" to do.

I see these long distance people who are so focused and so (apparently) at inner peace that it becomes a very attractive thing to try to emulate.

It's completely insane! Obsessive!

Bob M
 
I have had a look at all the blogs/websites in William's list.

Cristina's is by far the most useful for me at my stage of planning, when I am looking for practical information. It is extremely well organised, with very little clutter. and is very easy to navigate. Not quite minimalist, but Cristina certainly has a gift for meaningful simplicity.

You click on a day in the calendar and you see the distance, costs, some pics and text - and a live GPS map of the day's route.

Most of the detailed text for each day is still in Italian, which I don't read, but Google does and can give passable translations into Googlish.

Horses for courses.

Bob M
 
Hi Bob, I just noticed one of your comments about how you would not be able to cmplete the whole VF in 90 days. I completed the Vezelay path and Camino del norte / primitivo last year and from Troyes, where I began, I estimate that I did near enough to 2,000kms. This took me 86 days of walking allowing plenty of time to get out of the Schengen States before the 90 days were up. I realise the VF is about 2,100, but the part across northern France would be very easy to do longer days / distances because of the terrain, which I would think would make the whole thing do-able in the 90 days allowed.

I have already relayed to you my thoughts about the tour of the western front / war cemetries as you come down through the part which is not overly well way marked - a double pilgrimage sort of. (and there is an Anzac day dwan service at Villers Brettonoux too - although several miles out of town from what I can gather)

Cheers, Janet
 
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Bob, you can reach Cristina by email, she's open to questions on her walk..
Giorgio
 
giorgio said:
Bob, you can reach Cristina by email, she's open to questions on her walk..
Giorgio

Thx, Georgio. I just sent her an email and said that I had got her blog from you. I hope that's OK? I did not want to email as a complete stranger.

Regards

Bob M
 
That's fine ,Bob...
Anything you need on the italian bit let me know...
Giorgio
 
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Some time ago, we listed the number of guidebooks for the Via Francigena. Given the recent changes that have occurred with the official route, and given the increased interest in the Via Francigena, we decided it is time to update this list. The updated list is here:

http://littlegreentracs.typepad.com/my_ ... -list.html
 
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jirit said:
...Given the recent changes that have occurred with the official route, and given the increased interest in the Via Francigena, we decided it is time to update this list.

I bought the Lightfoot guides and I am now planning the Canterbury - Besancon stage. I will try to post some pre-walk comments on that guide book in this thread when I get a moment.

Paul Chinn is very helpful and I have had a good exchange of emails with him. It is good to see a publisher making an effort to improve the usability and flexibility of guidebooks. Paul is certainly in that group.

There are a number of very long stages (35km+) on that route, and I am trying to find shorter alternatives.

There is a real need for more detailed information on accommodation, food/water for say 5km on either side of those long stages. Maybe the VF not popular enough yet for gites etc to spring up along the longer stages.

Bob M
 
Hi, have just been reading thru the comments on the VF, I am looking at walking it next year starting at the end of July from Canterbury and going thru to Rome. Could you please pass on christina and giorgios e-mails to me, if that is ok with them as I would like the opportunity to have their advice and suggestions in the planning, also yours if that is ok. Thanks very much. Linda Mcleod, lmac3366@yahoo.com.au
 
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Pilgrimage Publication has just released ebook versions of their excellent English guidebooks on the Via Francigena. You can download and purchase the PDF versions at their site.

For more information please visit their website:

http://www.pilgrimagepublications.com/

Neville
 
BobM said:
There are a number of very long stages (35km+) on that route, and I am trying to find shorter alternatives.

There is a real need for more detailed information on accommodation, food/water for say 5km on either side of those long stages. Maybe the VF not popular enough yet for gites etc to spring up along the longer stages.

Bob M

The CPR publish an accommodation list for members which may plug a few gaps. You are right though the French section of the VF to Besancon is not walking country and I doubt if that part of the route will ever have enough walkers to make gite accommodation for them a paying proposition. It is and I suspect it may remain for some time a difficult journey on some stages.

William
 
William Marques said:
..... the French section of the VF to Besancon is not walking country and I doubt if that part of the route will ever have enough walkers to make gite accommodation for them a paying proposition. It is and I suspect it may remain for some time a difficult journey on some stages.William

There are two sections in Paul Chinn's guide that are particular problems re distance:
1. Trefcon - Tergnier (35.9km) & Tergnier - Laon (36.3km)
2. Chalons en Champagne - le Meix-Tiercelin (39.1km) & le Meix-Tiercelin - Brienne le Chateau (33.8km)

That's two long stages in succession in those sections.

I will have to re-think this route. Normally I walk with a light load, about 6kg, but two long stages in succession and maybe a shortage of shops and water points mean a heavier load of food and water would have to be carried. That adds to the difficulty. Although I plan to walk in spring, so hot weather won't be an issue.

I wonder how pilgrims centuries ago handled these difficult sections?

Regards

Bob M
 
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Here are a few review comments on the Lightfoot guide (Vol 1) that I promised to post here.

Canterbury to Besancon, Vol 3, Edition 3 (2010), 196 pages, 14cm wide x 22cm tall x 1.5cm thick. 360 gm.

Please note
(1) I have not used the guide in the field yet, so I can't comment on the accuracy of the information or the usability of the guide in the field under practical conditions (eg wet weather). A guide may seem excellent in the comfort of home, but any limitations will quickly show up in the field.
(2) Also, my optimum walking routine is to carry a light load (eg 6kg), only 1 litre of water and top up frequently at water points.
(3) I prefer to walk on average 25 km/day, with some shorter stages and a only few over 30km, but not 40km.
(4) I don't carry camping gear.
(5) I walk alone and I am totally reliant on myself for everything.

Walkers and campers with different preferences will need to interpret my comments accordingly.

I would certainly welcome comments from actual users who might wish to add extra information based on experience.

STAGES

The Canterbury - Besancon route is divided into 30 stages. However, 8 of the stages are 35km or more, with two sections of two stages each over 35km (ie more than 70km walking in two days). I will have to look closely at alternate routes for those stages, if indeed they are practical for me at all. A number of alternative stages are given in some areas, but I have not investigated them yet.

Paul makes the comment that the stages have been chosen based on the best compromises. One can obviously choose shorter stages, but would need to look carefully at what further compromises those choices would involve.

There are not many accommodation options listed in many places, but Paul Chinn told me that the guide shows what is available in most small towns. Larger towns will have more choices, but only a limited number are listed in the guide to avoid having the book become too big. I did a quick Google search for hotels at Tergnier (just as a test for one of the long stages) and the guide pretty much shows all the available accommodation.

No water points are shown, but some cafes are indicated on the maps. Of course, one can always ask for water at houses, farms etc. Many rural churches with cemeteries will also have water points for the gardens.

Each Stage description starts with a map and a tiny altitude profile. Then there is a brief one paragraph route summary, and the total ascents and descents. The ascent data is very useful to calculate walking times.

ROUTE INSTRUCTIONS

The actual route instructions are very detailed, in 7 columns: Way Point Number, Way Point Distance, total Distance (ie the cumulative Stage Distance), Directions, Verification Point, Compass, Altitude. The layout is very clear and easy to follow. I like the layout of the route instructions.

Typically there are about 28 way points for a 26 km stage, roughly one per 900 meters.

Finally there is brief accommodation details and useful contacts (tourist office, doctor, farrier, vet).

MAPS

I like the detailed coverage of the maps for up to 5km from the route. That is really important if one goes astray.

The maps have variable map scales so that they will fit in the space available on a page. But there are no scale bars given, so you can't actually measure distances (eg if you go astray and the detailed navigation instructions don't apply) I don't really like that approach. A few maps are really too small to be practical in the field. Paul explained that his priority was to keep the bulk of the book down. I understand that, but I would much prefer to have a consistent easily readable scale, marked on every map, even if that meant two or more maps per stage.

The detail of the route instructions compensates for the shortcomings of the maps. Providing the instructions are accurate and clear when on the spot, you don't really need to use the maps much at all - provided you don't stray from the route.

The inclusion of verification points is an excellent idea. I have too-often had to backtrack to confirm my route on other walks!

The detailed route instructions (and scarcity of trustworthy route signs) mean that I may have to have the guide constantly ready to hand to avoid getting lost, so I may have to tear out pages for each stage, protect them from rain (if necessary), and stuff them in a pocket. The whole book is just a bit too big to fit in my pockets for instant access.

OTHER COMMENTS

There are very few photos and very little on places interest. The authors have gone to a lot of trouble to prune out all unnecessary information to focus on the essentials for navigation and accommodation. That suits me, but perhaps others may want extra information on places of interest, packing, footwear etc. You can buy a separate volume 4 with cultural information.

There are 13 pages of general information that are not required on the route, but these would have to be torn out of the book.

Regards

Bob M
 
BobM said:
There are two sections in Paul Chinn's guide that are particular problems re distance:
1. Trefcon - Tergnier (35.9km) & Tergnier - Laon (36.3km)
2. Chalons en Champagne - le Meix-Tiercelin (39.1km) & le Meix-Tiercelin - Brienne le Chateau (33.8km)

That's two long stages in succession in those sections.

The CPR has accommodation details for the Trefcon - Reims section in:
Trefcon
St Quentin
Monchy Lagache
Vendeuil
Tergnier
Nouvion et Catillon
Cessieres
Crecy sue Serre
Laon
Cheret (nr Laon)
Cuiry les Chaudardes (nr Corbeny)
Ste Croix
Corbeny
Berry au Bac
Hermonville
St Thierry
Reims

and for the Chalons - Brienne le Chateau in:
Chalons en Champagne
Matougues (nr Chalons)
Bouzy
Chausee
Nuisement sur Coole
Coole
Vitry le Francois
Le Meix Tercelin
Chatelraould St Louvent
Margerie Hancourt (nr Donnement)
Pougy
St Dizier
Brienne le Chateau

If you look up these places on Google you will see where they are in relation to the route.

On both of those sections there are alternative canal side routes which do take you away from the published route and add miles but ease stages.

The files at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/via-francigena/ will also be of use to you especially the journal of Andrew and Carol Welch who walked the sections you are talking about and were not long distance walkers.
 
Perhaps you could do what some pilgrims have done on the long stage on the Camino Ingles. That is to arrange for a taxi to collect you at a 20km distance from one town, take you back (or forwards for an overnight stay) and then take you back to the place where you stopped the day before.
If you only have to do this a couple of times it shouldn't break the bank!
 
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sillydoll said:
.... arrange for a taxi to collect you at a 20km distance from one town, take you back (or forwards for an overnight stay) and then take you back to the place where you stopped the day before....

That's an interesting idea that had not occurred to me. Excellent :D

Also, thx to William Marques for his list and helpful comments.

BTW, two years ago I met a lady pilgrim who had a support team consisting of her husband in their car. The lady would carry a pack as normal and walk the usual stages. Her husband would drive ahead and arrange accommodation for the day, buy food and see to any other chores. Sometimes they would meet for lunch as well as meeting at the end of the day. I imagine they could also meet if the weather was really bad, or if the walker found a stage too difficult to complete. That is a very luxurious way to walk.

Bob M
 
Hi Bob,

just wondering what your plans are? Are you still heading off on VF?

I have had to change my plans from walking the VDLP this year and have more or less decided to walk the via Francigena next April and am busy buying some decent maps so that I can mark the path on them and then photo copy the relevant bits. The French IGN mnaps are very good for this. I have managed to work out how I can leave the path in Calais and go to Dunkirk. From there it is my intention to walk to Ypres and then down through the Western Front arriving at Villers-Brettoneux for the Dawn Service on the 25th. The only snag in this plan is that I suspect there will be about 5,000 Aussies already booked on tours with tour leaders planning to do the same thing. I was just googling accomodation for those days pre Anzac day and there is precious little available - not to mention the fact that I would have to get to the memorial by about 4.30a.m. or earlier, to have any hope of a seat and so a room on the 24th won't get much use!. It would then be my intention to go onto Amien, over to Perrone and from there I should be able to pick up the VF trail.

I have ordered the Cicerone guide, as that will be the latest one available in English. I have also ordered an Italian one for the italian side of the journey and will decide if I will use that or get a more up to date Lightfoot guide. Added to that I am waiting on a book called Walking with the Anzacs which has (walking) tours spelt out with particular reference to Australian sites. So now I am busy planning. One of the things that I don't like about the Lightfoot guides is the length of some of their stages. I realise that one can alter them, but some of them I think have been very definately done on horseback! It is my intention to compare these with the Italian guide when it arrives. Would love to hear what you have come up with in your plans. Cheers, Janet
 
I downloaded all of Christina's gps tracks, joined them together, and converted them to a Google Earth file and a Garmin Mapsource file. They can also be posted on French IGN maps using various programs. Peter Robbins' "maintain mymaps" works very well for this.

Her track varies some from the Lightfoot guide, but they are about 85% the same.

Her stages are posted for download here:

http://www.globetrotter-life.com/TutteL ... cigena.htm

If anyone wants the joined file, send me a PM and I can email it to you. The entire file loads into a Garmin GPS such as my Dakota very nicely.
 
The 2024 Camino guides will be coming out little by little. Here is a collection of the ones that are out so far.
A general comment for those interested in the VF. Today I received in the post a lovely map called La Via Francigena Cartografia e GPS by Monica d'Atti e Franco Cinti. Terre de mezzo Editore. (2nd edition Italian / English .)

This map starts from Montgenvre, through Susa to Torino and then Vercelli. It is divided into 38 stages (the first 7 being from Montgenevre to Vercelli). Each stage gives total distance, what sorts of paths / roads to expect, total altitude ascent / descent, and an altitude profile. The scale is
1:30,000. There is a symbol at places that offer hospitality OP (I am presuming that OP is parrochial or similiar). It is my intention to study both the map and the lighfoot guide and see where they marry up. It is a 2010 edition.

Hope you find this info useful, Cheers, Janet

PS I bought it from Amazon uk - not sure where else it might be avaiable.
 
jl said:
A general comment for those interested in the VF. Today I received in the post a lovely map called La Via Francigena Cartografia e GPS by Monica d'Atti e Franco Cinti. Terre de mezzo Editore. (2nd edition Italian / English .) ...... It is divided into 38 stages...........
Hi Janet. Is the map one big folded sheet (eg one fold per stage), or is it multiple sheets?

Bob M
 
Hi Bob - there are three massive sheets (double sided) but there are perforations downd each fold because I think it is meant to be torn into "strips. I have done that already, but have not had time to study it in detail. I think though, from a perfunctory glance, it looks as if there are between 2 - 3 stages on each "strip". I think it is quite user friendly at first glance. Thus one would only have out at any given time the one strip that one was using. Cheers, Janet
 
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hi! I'm so glad I found this forum as I have had a hard time finding information about doing segments of the Via Francigena.
I really want to do something "out of the box" like a pilgrimage walk or perhaps biking. I am limited as to how much time I can take away--3-4 weeks maximum.
At first I considered walking just the Italian portion of the VF, but I gather that will take much longer than that (?) and so maybe not an option. I had also been under the impression I could bike the entire VF in a month but then someone said just the Italian portion would be 3 weeks. So I would love to know more information.
Also as I'll likely be doing this trip alone, I would love to know how reliable accommodations are along the way. Also is the Italian section of the walk pretty? I would like to be doing a walk that takes me through quaint Italian villages and enables me to overnight in a small pension, B&B or the like. I'm not a camper, particularly not alone.
Oh I'm 50 and in good shape, so is this a reasonable trip to take alone for me?
I was intrigued about biking it, particularly as the Swiss section sounds beautiful through the St Bernards pass (if only it was full of St Bernards ;-) , but I have a feeling that's mighty steep...
Any advice anyone can provide would be wonderful.
Someone had suggested I walk the Camino de Santiago instead (how long would that take), and on one level it's appealing as apparently you meet a lot of lovely fellow travelers along the way, but on the other hand I love Italy and don't think I mind being more alone for this.
Thanks in advance for any input from anyone with suggestions/experience they can provide for me.
 
Sounds like you are keen on the Italian part of the VF. That is probably the best section of the VF from an "infrastructure" point of view - good accommodation, marked routes, plenty of guidebooks (many in Italian, but not so many in English), and heaps of tour operators.

Tour operator websites are worth a look so you can get ideas about the route and daily stages. Here is one found at random to give you a start: http://www.viadelsole.it/francigena/week2.html

The Confraternity of Pilgrims to Rome (http://www.pilgrimstorome.org.uk/news.html) is full of excellent references and advice on accommodation etc.

There are also many blogs of personal journeys. I like this one: http://www.globetrotter-life.com/ViaFrancigena.htm for its practical detail, maps, photos but there are many other good ones.

This one is a wonderfully personal account that is a joy to read: http://wheresnetia.wordpress.com/

Anyway, that will give you a start on deciding where to walk.

As for practical details of packs, boots, training this forum is by far the best for all kinds of information and very helpful advice. It is a wonderful, supportive community that I am sure you will find very helpful.

Hope that helps.

Bob M
 
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The section of the VF from Canterbury to say Arras or Peronne is interesting because of the WW1 battlefields, but visually it is not as nice as other sections on the VF. It is a great pity that that section is not more popular because of its historical connections and the opportunity they give for spiritual reflection - and even family connections in those quiet fields.

I walked from Canterbury to Besancon last year and will walk from Besancon to Pavia in June/July this year. I posted some notes in this forum that you might find useful.

I did not offer any comments on practicalities like packs, footwear etc etc because it seemed premature when you have yet to decide on a route. But if you need any help on those topics I can offer suggestions - as can the multitude of others here who are very experienced pilgrims. They are an inspiration for me & I hope they will inspire you in your own journey.

Rgds

Bob M
 
absolutely when I get it all figured out I will seek that advice from you all!
Besancon--would love to get through there--we hosted foreign exchange students from there with whom I'm still on contact--could see them!
 
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We walked from Besancon to Rome in 2010 and loved it (We had also previously done the Camino SJPP to S de C) . My ebook about it has just been published on Amazon. Might give you a good idea of what it is like. Good luck and safe walking.
Here's the link: amzn.to/17Ks6Cb
 
thanks --how long did it take you to walk that leg of the trip?
did you find you had no problem finding places to stay the night? Did you plan ahead of just arrive in a town and stay somewhere.
Did you ever go off the trail?
Did you find it well-marked enough? And not too treacherous?
thanks!
 
Magnara said:
We walked from Besancon to Rome in 2010 and loved it (We had also previously done the Camino SJPP to S de C) . My ebook about it has just been published on Amazon. Might give you a good idea of what it is like. Good luck and safe walking.
Here's the link: amzn.to/17Ks6Cb
Hello Magnara

Can you send us a different link to you book? This one does not seem to work
 
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it's called Italian Camino by Maggie Ramsey so you can just enter that on amazon (though the link worked for me)
 
Thanks Jenny

Found it on amazon too under kindle. Another book on the via Francigena to add to the list.
 
If you are having trouble finding my book it is probably because of the spelling of my surname - it tricks a lot of people: it is Ramsay (not Ramsey). Spot the difference. If you google Amazon The Italian Camino it will also find it for you.
I hope you enjoy reading it and that it is useful to you.
 
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BobM said:
The section of the VF from Canterbury to say Arras or Peronne is interesting because of the WW1 battlefields, but visually it is not as nice as other sections on the VF.


I'll agree with that. We just got back from biking from Canterbury to Reims. It was a good bike ride, but we kept remarking on what a disappointing walk it would be. The route is largely on paved roads, and food and accommodation is hard to find. Lots of closed up, boarded over hotels.

The new FFRP guide is perhaps better walking but it wanders all over, with little regard for historical route or services. I think the Francigena in France is simply not up to the standards of the Chemins St Jacques.
 
As a scenic walk I suppose you are right but as a pilgrimage route that is not its intention.

There are many GR and long distance footpaths that are better supported and more pleasant to walk that the Northern French section of the VF and it is just lucky that the section from Besancon on is so much nicer for walkers.
 

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