Stephanie Martin
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- Time of past OR future Camino
- Camino in Sept/Oct/Nov 2022 (via the French route)
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. I'm also trying to let go and not let this affect me too much, nor to internalize someone else's poor behaviour
Not too late to report him.He can't to refuse to serve you.
You should to have called to Guardia Civil.
Really? Call the police, the bad man wouldn't serve me?He can't to refuse to serve you.
You should to have called to Guardia Civil.
I agree that she should move on, but if it's illegal for the proprietor to refuse to serve a paying customer I believe that he should be reported.Really? Call the police, the bad man wouldn't serve me?
You really shouldn't be wasting all this energy complaining about someone's petty behaviour, or taking such a petty incident personally.
Move on, put it behind and enjoy all the positive experiences your camino brings.
He can't to refuse to serve you.
You should to have called to Guardia Civil.
Not too late to report him.
The division of the Guardia Civil that looks over the Camino should be interested in the mistreatment of pilgrims on the Camino.
I have heard of such cases, but not specifically in this location. As I read your account, I was thinking that this was definitely unpleasant and humiliating behaviour on his part - something that we encounter from time to time, and the Camino is no exception. It is a situation that I would try to put behind me as soon as possible, by taking a long brisk walk.I later found out that there used to be a rivalry between the previous management of the Albergue opposite and Albergue Lorca. But I don't understand why the owner has to take it out on innocent pilgrims. It really ruins the otherwise kind and loving atmosphere on the Camino.
His rudeness was known by others, so perhaps it is just that you were easier for him to recognize and remember. However, I would not presume to say what it is like to live as a person of a visible minority.I wondered also if his treatment of me had anything to do with me being a coloured person.
https://www.spainexpat.com/information/hojas-de-reclamaciones-official-consumer-complaint-forms/All establishments must have hojas de reclamación - complaint forms available to consumers.
Not a place for the GC. But definitely ask for this:
https://www.spainexpat.com/information/hojas-de-reclamaciones-official-consumer-complaint-forms/
sad to hear that don't let get you down just take a deep breath and say so be it and continue on your journey.It's been more than a week on the Camino for me so far, and while I've met amazingly kind-hearted pilgrims, amidst all the aches, pains and joys of the Camino, I had a negative experience at the cafe run by Albergue Lorca 2 days ago and am hoping I will not continue to be affected (emotionally).
I was unwell and chose to stay an extra day in Lorca. There are only 2 albergues in Lorca and they happen to be right opposite each other (on a narrow street). I had booked into La Bodega Albergue (lovely rooms and very friendly staff) just opposite Albergue Lorca. Both albergues run cafes but the cafe at the Albergue I stayed at was closed, and not yet open the next morning. So I walked over to the cafe opposite (run by the owner of Albergue Lorca : Jose Ramon). There were lots of passing pilgrims eating at this Albergue that morning, it was the only possible eating place in Lorca, which is a small town.
I tried to order an orange juice from him (Jose Ramon of Albergue Lorca), but he refused to serve me when he knew I was staying in the Albergue opposite. He kept telling me to go outside and leave his cafe. This was even after I had bumped into a friend, another pilgrim whom I saw eating at his cafe (she had stopped there for a break en route to Estella). He refused to let her order for me as well and she insisted and ordered anyway (saying it was for herself).
I later found out that there used to be a rivalry between the previous management of the Albergue opposite and Albergue Lorca. But I don't understand why the owner has to take it out on innocent pilgrims. It really ruins the otherwise kind and loving atmosphere on the Camino.
There were lots of other pilgrims stopping by to eat at Jose's cafe at Albergue Lorca because it was the only eating place opened in Lorca at that time. He didn't stop them as long as they were either pilgrims on their way passing by, or pilgrims staying at his hostel. I was refused simply because I had chosen to stay at the Albergue opposite, unaware of any rivalries.
I wondered also if his treatment of me had anything to do with me being a coloured person. I'm trying not to let this experience taint my journey on the Camino so far, or my impression of Spaniards. I'm also trying to let go and not let this affect me too much, nor to internalize someone else's poor behaviour.
I did speak to the management at the Albergue I had chosen to stay at and they too disagree with his behavior. They felt sorry for me and offered me complimentary juice when they had opened their cafe later in the day. I hope no one else experiences this discriminatory and backward behaviour from Albergue Lorca.
I agree, but the owner's behavior seems rude and still leaves a "bad taste" in the mouth of the one who is being refused service.Castilians have a little saying: "pueblo pequeno, odio grande." Small town, big hate.
I don't think this is a case of racism, I think it's a case of a sad person with a character deficit taking out his disdain for his neighbor on a stranger he'll never have to see again. Pathetic. But not a police matter.
Also, every business owner reserves the right to serve whomever he chooses. Just because you show up and want to buy something, does NOT obligate him to serve you. Pilgrims need to take this on board.
Nobody owes you anything.
Amen. This simple truth is being forgotten.Nobody owes you anything.
If someone walks off with a bad taste that is theirs to deal with. Perhaps the bad taste is justifiable (as in this case), perhaps not - people will say and do all sorts of things to us, good and bad. Whether or not we drag the reaction to all that around is actually a choice. Some people are lifetime victims of nothing, while others transcend the worst possible abuse. It's up to us.the owner's behavior still leaves a "bad taste" in the mouth of the one who is being refused service.
It's not forgotten by me.Amen. This simple truth is being forgotten.
There is certainly some middle ground here. You speak only of one extreme or the other.Some people are lifetime victims of nothing, while others transcend the worst possible abuse. It's up to us.
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