sjdaotearoa
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- Primitivo (2018)
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I would not be in the least surprised if someone has constructed such a classification. However, you will have to decide how to measure the "age" of a "Camino" in a way that makes sense.My first camino last year was the Primitivo. Next year I'm doing the Norte. By chance these are the oldest and second oldest Camino's. I thought it might be interesting to plot my next Camino's by age - from oldest to newest routes. Does anyone know anything about this, or where I might find info on it?
I thought it might be interesting to plot my next Camino's by age - from oldest to newest routes.
Kia ora thank you Alwyn@sjdaotearoa , kia ora (greetings, good health)
As today, pilgrimages started from your home, first to your parish church for a blessing and then on to your destination. And hopefully to return, in one piece.
So pilgrimage routes exist all over Europe.
One that has a reasonably well documented origin is that from Le Puy-en-Velay (about two hours by train from Lyon) is south central France. Check out Bishop Godelasco (and Podiensis).
This is about 750 km to Saint-Jean. While I did it in one session in April I encountered many walking for one or two weeks as part of their annual leave and coming back each year until finished.
Kia kaha (take care, be strong, get going)
and worth the 24 hour flight to get there
Yes, I had the pleasure of running into two officials from the local municapal in Sarria because I got lost suddenly when a huge dog appeared from nowhere and kept following me and I am not a dog whisperar. I lost track. I asked one of them for directions after walking 4 kms and explained where I got lost. They admitted that one could get easily lost in that area. I hope they will clearly signpost that area. They were aware of the income we perringos bring to the area.Here's a question: what makes a road a pilgrimage road, what makes a camino a Camino? I tend to think that there is actually only one Pilgrimage Road and that is the Camino Frances. Its development in the Middle Ages was driven by the pilgrimage to Santiago; it has towns and villages that have "del Camino" in their name; houses and other buildings appeared along the road to cater for pilgrims so that we have these long stretched out towns or villages so typical for the Camino Frances; bridges were built for the pilgrimage traffic; numerous hostals-hospitals were built for the transient pilgrimage population. Other roads to Santiago catered also for pilgrims but never to the same extent as the Camino Frances. Their primary function was the same as any other road: they were trade roads and communication roads between towns.
The owners of today's Caminos, namely the various Spanish regions and towns, are vying for the contemporary pilgrimage traffic. They are trying to sell the narrative of their Camino(s) as best as they can. I guess "age" is a unique selling point for some but not all of them. ☺
That would give you the Primitivo, otherwise known as the road from Oviedo, as the "oldest Camino" and you could try to rank the other modern Camino trails with the help of a map that shows the progress of the Reconquista over the course of some 800 years, from the 700s until around 1500.
Mariana goes 'through not to' Compostela.Modern scholars identify "camino de santiago" routes by the historic record: the roads existed before the pilgrimage started up, But once the pilgrimage took hold, (the 11th century) were there pilgrim hospitals, Cluniac churches, pilgrim cemeteries, church records of pilgrim burials, meals served, beds kept, etc. in the given parish or town or city? There were plenty of roads that led to Santiago in the middle ages, but not all of them could be called "pilgrimage ways." Even so, three new "Caminos" were proposed this year in Galicia, by town councils ready to cash in on the Camino tourism phenomenon. (they call the historians in later to legitimize the claims.)
There are also some spectacular historic pilgrim trails in Spain, complete with infrastructure, that do not go to Santiago. The Via Mariana is one -- from Braga in northern Portugal to Muxia, but NOT Santiago! Newly waymarked, challenging hike through tiny villages, a series of shrines to the Virgin Mary (built over even more ancient holy wells)... about 400 km. Intriguing!
There are tons of colorful stories and great hikes out there. Sadly, if you want to get down and historical, you still need to read Spanish... or Gallego.
Don't know about the Lisbon route, but in the NE corner of Portugal pilgrims were passing through from central and southern Spain via Zamora and Bragança in Visigothic times. For info search Facebook for <Albergue Ricobayo - Camino Zamorano Portugués>. Confusingly this route to Compostela is also known as the VdlP Portugués. Overlooked for many years, now being sensitively waymarked and new Association albergues being built.Yes, we assume that for the Mozárabes (Christians who lived in Muslims territories) was not possible to pilgrim to Santiago due to the almost permanent conflicts with the Christian Kingdoms and to fundamentalist periods (almorávide, almohade).
So, the pilgrimage started after the conquest, Portuguese in 1147 (Lisbon), VDLP in 1248 (Seville), Mozárabe in 1492 (Granada), etc.
Then, I think that the name Camino Mozárabe is rather confusing because we could think that those people were allowed to pilgrim during the Muslim period in their territories.
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