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This is confuse. My interpretation is Castilla y Leon allows transit through the region and Galicia is not in lockdown so the pilgrimage to Santiago is still possible.You will not be allowed to enter Galicia as of 2pm Friday October 30th until November 9th.
Castilla y León is confining, no entering or leaving.
This is news from an hour ago and is official.
Completely agree; great advice! Use public transport/taxi if you need to in order to reach O'Cebreiro on Friday. Brilliant idea from @Rebekah Scott !You can make it, Sue! Just get up to O Cebreiro by Friday afternoon and you won't be stuck in Castilla y Leon!
I walked that stretch in September, when Galicia was locking down; there was an officer stopping everyone in Las Herrerias and warning us of closed-down villages ahead. The Spanish authorities take all this very seriously.
No word on if you can still walk into Santiago de Compostela, however. Things are locking down fast all over the place.
The earlier replies only covered entering Galicia. If Jeffery's post is correct then you may want to consider your options for leaving Galicia when that time comes.You will not be allowed to enter Galicia as of 2pm Friday October 30th until November 9th.
Castilla y León is confining, no entering or leaving.
This is news from an hour ago and is official.
Sybille Yates of this forum (pilgrim and good person who lives and takes care of pilgrims in Santiago) may be of help to you once/before you arrive in Santiago:Thank you all for you advice and support. I will mullit over in my dreams and spread the word to others in the morning. I'llet you know what I decide.
if i am not mistaken, i believe CyL is referring to trains, buses and cars, as you can easily cross the region with the former and not stop.This is confuse. My interpretation is Castilla y Leon allows transit through the region and Galicia is not in lockdown so the pilgrimage to Santiago is still possible.
I have a family member who arrived in Santiago yesterday..with no problem..bit now having trouble getting out..trains are full and no buses..nothing advertised for saturday onwards..not much help but it's all I got..go well live and blessings for safe journeyHi, I was informed yesterday, by a friend who is a couple of days ahead of me (I'm in Ponferrada), that pilgrims already en route can continue. Can anyone confirm this? I have one more region to enter, Galicia, will this be allowed?
Please keep your answers to facts, not to whether I should be here or not. When I started, things were OK.
If not allowed, I obviously need to find out what I should do. If at all possible, I would like to carry on, not least because I am raising money for MsF.
Not only unnecessary movement should be avoided but also unnecessary contact with other people. Reduce your contacts to a small group of people and always the same ones. The current message is pretty clear, not only in Spain but in many other parts of Europe right now.they are meant to deter unnecessary movement of people.
I live in Madrid which has been in lock down and now it seems that is going to be again for next "puente" ,1N Monday is holiday. I could move everywhere inside Madrid but not leave the autonomous community.if i am not mistaken, i believe CyL is referring to trains, buses and cars, as you can easily cross the region with the former and not stop.
a pilgrim, on a bike or walking would have to stop and sleep, which would be hard to argue as 'transit'. lockdowns are lockdowns, and they are meant to deter unnecessary movement of people.
anyway, chances are there won't be police at the border as you walk up to O Cebreiro. mind you, i am not suggesting anyone should break the law.
Buen Camino
@Sue127 lives apparently in France. She also mentioned that she travelled to SJPP by car. There will be no problem for returning to France by rental car for example. All the Spanish regions allow transiting their territory by car (the law says clearly: transit is allowed when origin and destination are outside of the region that has introduced a perimeter lockdown).Sue, you may not need this information, but in case: I searched for a flight from SDC to London
Great news@Sue127 lives apparently in France. She also mentioned that she travelled to SJPP by car. There will be no problem for returning to France by rental car for example. All the Spanish regions allow transiting their territory by car (the law says clearly: transit is allowed when origin and destination are outside of the region that has introduced a perimeter lockdown).
I am right now watching a Spanish TV program and on a interview to pilgrims in Praza do Obradoiro they said that every region is different for pilgrims. In Navarra no problems with the credencial, in Aragon it is strictly forbidden the Camino and in CyL it is not clear yet. So, it is a mess.I live in Madrid which has been in lock down and now it seems that is going to be again for next "puente" ,1N Monday is holiday. I could move everywhere inside Madrid but not leave the autonomous community.
I think that the pilgrims who were in CyL before the lockdown can move throughout the region and stay in towns without lock down and enter Galicia because they are in "transit". But it is just my opinion, maybe I am wrong.
Thank you. I missed her place of domicile. Never hurts, though, to try to be helpful. You are, very often.@Sue127 lives apparently in France. She also mentioned that she travelled to SJPP by car. There will be no problem for returning to France by rental car for example. All the Spanish regions allow transiting their territory by car (the law says clearly: transit is allowed when origin and destination are outside of the region that has introduced a perimeter lockdown).
PS: I think transit means car traffic, not walking for days, but the texts are not always clear. The exact wording for CyL for example is: La circulación por carretera y viales que transcurran o atraviesen estará permitida siempre y cuando tengan origen y destino fuera del territorio de la Comunidad de Castilla y León (Acuerdo 10/2020, de 28 de octubre).
Absolutely! There may be others still on a camino for whom the flight times that you, @kirkie, researched could be very helpful to know.Never hurts, though, to try to be helpful.
hola, i live in Madrid too (what a mess...). transit meant: at least when Burgos and León were shut down, as entering, crossing and leaving a confined area, but not stopping, visiting, sightseeing or sleeping.I live in Madrid which has been in lock down and now it seems that is going to be again for next "puente" ,1N Monday is holiday. I could move everywhere inside Madrid but not leave the autonomous community.
I think that the pilgrims who were in CyL before the lockdown can move throughout the region and stay in towns without lock down and enter Galicia because they are in "transit". But it is just my opinion, maybe I am wrong.
Another thing is the control. My mother lives in a sanitary area that always has been confined, but my home sanitary area has never been confined. I visit my mother every day to take care of her. I am not breaking the law because my mother but never saw a police controlling movement.hola, i live in Madrid too (what a mess...). transit meant: at least when Burgos and León were shut down, as entering, crossing and leaving a confined area, but not stopping, visiting, sightseeing or sleeping.
the Autonomous Region of Castilla y León (CyL) will be confined tomorrow. none of the towns along the French Camino are confined (to the best of my knowledge... this is all very confusing), which means: yes, if you are in CyL you can continue walking (i won't start a debate about if you 'should'). and no, you cannot enter CyL (unless you live here) or leave the region unless returning home or in transit, which we pilgrims are not.
anyway, i am sure Galicia and/or Santiago will follow suit soon and close this whole debate.
cheers
Thanks for all the info and your research but, although English, I live in FranceSue, you may not need this information, but in case: I searched for a flight from SDC to London, and this is what showed up - I picked a random date.
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Thank you. I may have to call on you for advice eater the timeYes, we are here in SdC and happy to help as we can! We know we (Pilgrim House) will at least be open through next week, but we're taking it week by week after that as the numbers keep dropping. But you can always send me a private message here if we're closed.
When they say they allow transit, it means not stopping to stay overnight. It's usually aimed at car, train or bus travellers. However, the case of pilgrims on Camino is not specifically addressed, a lot will depend on the particular autonomous region or municipal area you are travelling through and their particular approach to enforcement of the restrictions. I live in Spain and I've been living this since the start, it's very confusing because of the decentralised government structure of Spain. Good luck, keep smiling, stay safe and try not to alarm the locals, some of whom have not been impressed by travellers coming in from Madrid or other big cities. I imagine pilgrims might also receive a frosty reception on some occasions, as has happened to a friend of mine who recently completed his walk from Gijón to Muxia.This is confuse. My interpretation is Castilla y Leon allows transit through the region and Galicia is not in lockdown so the pilgrimage to Santiago is still possible.
yes is meant as travel across the affected region without stopping in between.When they say they allow transit, it means not stopping to stay overnight. It's usually aimed at car, train or bus travellers. However, the case of pilgrims on Camino is not specifically addressed, a lot will depend on the particular autonomous region or municipal area you are travelling through and their particular approach to enforcement of the restrictions. I live in Spain and I've been living this since the start, it's very confusing because of the decentralised government structure of Spain. Good luck, keep smiling, stay safe and try not to alarm the locals, some of whom have not been impressed by travellers coming in from Madrid or other big cities. I imagine pilgrims might also receive a frosty reception on some occasions, as has happened to a friend of mine who recently completed his walk from Gijón to Muxia.
This may be relevant: On Monday the mayor of Santiago de Compostela, Xosé Sánchez Bugallo, was asked about the situation of pilgrims if a restriction on movement will be introduced for Galicia. Here's the reply:
PILGRIM MOBILITYAsked whether a restriction of movement will affect the flow of pilgrims, Bugallo said he did not know if the movement of walking pilgrims will be prohibited in the event that Galicia decrees a lockdown perimeter for its territory [...].He expressed his doubts that the rule allowing transit - as it would be the case for carriers [=transportistas ... I guess that means buses and taxis] - will be applicable to pilgrims on the Camino. "I have quite a few doubts, I hope that this will be clarified," he said.Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Yes. You are right, transportista is for trucks not for buses or trains.Perhaps @Pelegrin and @Pingüigrino can clarify, but when I see the word transportistas I think of truck drivers and delivery trucks, not buses and trains. But hopefully a native Spaniard can confirm.
Thanks. Should be entering Galicia in a out three hours. Will worry about getting home when I get to Santiago.Sue, I hope you are ok and can get home.
We see plenty of pilgrims passing by our place here in La Portela ( after Ponferrada and just before the climb to O’ Cebreiro ) I have asked many of them over the last few days about their walk. None have mentioned ever having been stopped or asked anything. I think if you are already walking... don’t stop until the authorities tell you to!Hi, I was informed yesterday, by a friend who is a couple of days ahead of me (I'm in Ponferrada), that pilgrims already en route can continue. Can anyone confirm this? I have one more region to enter, Galicia, will this be allowed?
Please keep your answers to facts, not to whether I should be here or not. When I started, things were OK.
If not allowed, I obviously need to find out what I should do. If at all possible, I would like to carry on, not least because I am raising money for MsF.
Thanks, I'm aware of that and, as you say, hoping things will be easier on Tuesday. Likely to arrive at Santiago on Friday as heel has put paid to long daysHow're you going, Sue?
I assume you saw this:
Hopefully it is just for the holiday weekend, but that's not clear.
Take care out there and buen Camino.Likely to arrive at Santiago on Friday as heel has put paid to long days
Soo,Take care out there and buen Camino.
Good luck SueWell....... I'm still walking, in the dark with a friend, hoping to get to o Pedrouzo in time for the hostel. Then I can finish tomorrow.
Congrats, Sue, you made it! Hope it was still enjoyable at the end even if it was stressful not knowing what to expect with the new restrictions and closures. Take care and rest well in Santiago.I arrived yesterday, too late for a Compostela but will go to the pilgrim office this morning. I hope it will be open. Planning à route back was difficult but I can fly out on Monday
Not at all, it has been a wonderful adventure and I visited the tomb of Saint James this morning. There was more access today than when I arrived by car about a year ago, a spiritual moment.Hooray, congratulations. I hope the worrisome conditions did not rob you of the joy of arriving at the apostle's tomb!
Congratulations and a safe journey home!Not at all, it has been a wonderful adventure and I visited the tomb of Saint James this morning. There was more access today than when I arrived by car about a year ago, a spiritual moment.
Great news Sue we have all been routing for you bravo..I arrived yesterday, too late for a Compostela but will go to the pilgrim office this morning. I hope it will be open. Planning à route back was difficult but I can fly out on Monday
Nailed it. Too easy to focus on logistics and forget why you are there and what you are escaping from.Soo,
Remember why your walking.
Smell the autumn air.
Put one foot in front of the other.
And give your Camino over to the Lords of the Universe.
I reccomend this to all Pilgrims...Covid times or not.
Have faith in the integrity of your cause.
Peace be with you.
The time was changed to 23:00, but we kept walking and managed by 23:45, phew! Resting 3 nights in Santiago after was very welcome, despite the rain.You will not be allowed to enter Galicia as of 2pm Friday October 30th until November 9th.
Castilla y León is confining, no entering or leaving.
This is news from an hour ago and is official.
Now in Paris, waiting for train homeThe earlier replies only covered entering Galicia. If Jeffery's post is correct then you may want to consider your options for leaving Galicia when that time comes.
I travelled on and off with different people and had a fantastic camino; not always easy, but a memory to treasure.Congrats, Sue, you made it! Hope it was still enjoyable at the end even if it was stressful not knowing what to expect with the new restrictions and closures. Take care and rest well in Santiago.
It was certainly interesting!Well done Sue! What a camino...
Safe journey homeNow in Paris, waiting for train home
Nearly, 90 minutes.Home sweet Home
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