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Hi, all! Since the Portuguese Camino crosses both Portugal and Spain, and since each country will have their own timeline for re-opening, I'm wondering about the possibility of doing a partial "Portuguese-section-only" Camino sometime down the road, as soon as it is safe and permitted to travel to Portugal, even if Spain is not there yet. What are the odds that the accommodations on the Portugal portion will open, even if Spain is still closed?
I understand all the hypotheticals, and social distancing requirements. Just trying to think outside the box and work within the limitations of my work, vacation, budget, and life requirements.
Thanks in advance for your insight!
however remote, it would be nice to walk the Valenca to Fatima and be on Fatima on Oct 13 - feast day of our Lady of Fatima.. wishful thinking? We'll see
Bad news for those who would like to make a pilgrimage to Fatima this year instead of Santiago
The Rector of the Sanctuary in Fatima, Carlos Cabecinhas, has informed, that unfortunately it will not be possible to receive pilgrims in Fatima this year.
(from teletext on Germans TV)
"This year" doesn't refer to the whole year. It refers to this month and in particular to 12 May and 13 May which is a day of great affluence at Fatima but not this year as pilgrims are warned not to come. 13 May is the day of the first appearance. Listen to the Rector making the announcement in a video clip on their Fatima website. It is subtitled in English. He says explicitly: We are seeking to create the adequate conditions to be able to resume, as soon as possible, the pilgrimages to this place. So pilgrims may well be received again in Fatima in October 2020 for example.Bad news for those who would like to make a pilgrimage to Fatima this year instead of Santiago. The Rector of the Sanctuary in Fatima, Carlos Cabecinhas, has informed, that unfortunately it will not be possible to receive pilgrims in Fatima this year (from teletext on Germans TV)
I wrote a reply to this but something happened to itif any of us survive the pandemic maybe 2022 or 2023
meanwhile cocoom
Hi, all! Since the Portuguese Camino crosses both Portugal and Spain, and since each country will have their own timeline for re-opening, I'm wondering about the possibility of doing a partial "Portuguese-section-only" Camino sometime down the road, as soon as it is safe and permitted to travel to Portugal, even if Spain is not there yet. What are the odds that the accommodations on the Portugal portion will open, even if Spain is still closed?
I understand all the hypotheticals, and social distancing requirements. Just trying to think outside the box and work within the limitations of my work, vacation, budget, and life requirements.
Thanks in advance for your insight!
Hi, all! Since the Portuguese Camino crosses both Portugal and Spain, and since each country will have their own timeline for re-opening, I'm wondering about the possibility of doing a partial "Portuguese-section-only" Camino sometime down the road, as soon as it is safe and permitted to travel to Portugal, even if Spain is not there yet. What are the odds that the accommodations on the Portugal portion will open, even if Spain is still closed?
I understand all the hypotheticals, and social distancing requirements. Just trying to think outside the box and work within the limitations of my work, vacation, budget, and life requirements.
Thanks in advance for your insight!
I wrote a reply to this but something happened to it
Because I thought it mattered, here it is again.
Please glance at the linked sites before continuing
1918 flu pandemic
Plague in mediaeval world
Covid 19
Perhaps this will help get some perspective.
The Black Death, or Plague, killed between a third and half of the world's population. Our current outbreak of Covid 19 has a mortality rate of (depends who you believe) between under one and 9 percent. Mostly older people and those who already had serious medical conditions leading to a short life expectancy. By comparison the Black Death and Spanish Flu (1918 to 1919) killed with far less age discrimination.
There may or may not eventually be a vaccine. We don't yet have one for AIDS or the common cold, despite trying for quite some time. We now do have an effective treatment for plague and a partially effective vaccine (most years) for flu.There may or may not eventually be better treatments, where we do seem to be making some progress.
An antibody test would also be useful. Get that and use it properly then we could find out who has had it, possibly without knowing that they did. Dying of starvation while we all stay home doesn't strike me as a great option. Some countries simply can't go into lockdown.
So, actually, I think quite a lot of us are likely to survive. OK, I expect this post will also vanish. I can't be sure, as my crystal ball is still at the re-chromers, but it seems more likely than not that the world will keep turning and that we will continue to crawl over it's surface.
I think that much of the reason for lack of vaccines for AIDS or the common cold is economic. Since AIDS now has good therapeutics, and it's not contracted easily through the air affecting many people at random there is not a huge market for a vaccine. As for the common cold, there are 60 or so viruses that cause it, likely requiring 60 vaccines, plus it's generally more if an annoyance and not life threatening.There may or may not eventually be a vaccine. We don't yet have one for AIDS or the common cold, despite trying for quite some time
Bad news for those who would like to make a pilgrimage to Fatima this year instead of Santiago
The Rector of the Sanctuary in Fatima, Carlos Cabecinhas, has informed, that unfortunately it will not be possible to receive pilgrims in Fatima this year.
(from teletext on Germans TV)
I wrote a reply to this but something happened to it
Because I thought it mattered, here it is again.
Please glance at the linked sites before continuing
1918 flu pandemic
Plague in mediaeval world
Covid 19
Perhaps this will help get some perspective.
The Black Death, or Plague, killed between a third and half of the world's population. Our current outbreak of Covid 19 has a mortality rate of (depends who you believe) between under one and 9 percent. Mostly older people and those who already had serious medical conditions leading to a short life expectancy. By comparison the Black Death and Spanish Flu (1918 to 1919) killed with far less age discrimination.
There may or may not eventually be a vaccine. We don't yet have one for AIDS or the common cold, despite trying for quite some time. We now do have an effective treatment for plague and a partially effective vaccine (most years) for flu.There may or may not eventually be better treatments, where we do seem to be making some progress.
An antibody test would also be useful. Get that and use it properly then we could find out who has had it, possibly without knowing that they did. Dying of starvation while we all stay home doesn't strike me as a great option. Some countries simply can't go into lockdown.
So, actually, I think quite a lot of us are likely to survive. OK, I expect this post will also vanish. I can't be sure, as my crystal ball is still at the re-chromers, but it seems more likely than not that the world will keep turning and that we will continue to crawl over it's surface.
I don't think the lockdown was in any way a bad idea. I'm sure it has saved many lives by slowing the spread of disease so health services could cope. But at some point we need to go back to work, and for that to happen we need, most of us, to leave our homes. The virus doesn't respect borders unless you happen to live on an island, so there is no real reason to close the borders within Europe, any more than in the USA between States. Travel restrictions should be applied by distance, not country. I don't think we can wait for a vaccine.I suppose in those days was impossible to have a lockdown all over the world and probably lack of information was helping the spread, as for now day the knowledge of what is happening around us should prevent the worst.
In Bergamo Italy 16.000 people have died only in a couple of months the town population was 120.000. My village has 7.200. Thank you for the lockdown.
Buen Camino, Ultreia.
I don't think the lockdown was in any way a bad idea. I'm sure it has saved many lives by slowing the spread of disease so health services could cope. But at some point we need to go back to work, and for that to happen we need, most of us, to leave our homes. The virus doesn't respect borders unless you happen to live on an island, so there is no real reason to close the borders within Europe, any more than in the USA between States. Travel restrictions should be applied by distance, not country. I don't think we can wait for a vaccine.
Just out of interest, you could look up one heroic village in England called Eyam.
Again for everybody safety : NO VACCINE NO CAMINO!!!!!:
Again for everybody safety : NO VACCINE NO CAMINO!!!!!:
As I said the virus is here, free for all., everybody is welcome.There is no basis for such a speculation. Aside from the fact that we have no idea IF a vaccine is possible, we have no ability to predict the time it will take to develop such a vaccine, produce it in quantities to allow for global immunizations to be administered, and to evaluate its overall effective rate.
If a COVID-19 vaccine is finally developed and available, that effectiveness rate could be very low. For example, influenza has almost the same profile of age-based risk as COVID-19 (Older adults and immune compromised at far higher risk for morbidity or mortality). Yet on average, influenza vaccines have an overall average effectiveness rate of around 62%.
Then there are individuals that, medically, are unable to be vaccinated due to contraindications.
So there may be a vaccine, but it may leave a significant portion of the population still at-risk for infection of COVID-19. Vaccine may be one strategy to help reduce infection risks, but it is doubtful that tourism will be dependent on a vaccination.
As I said the virus is here, free for all., everybody is welcome.
Buen camino.
Sheesh. . . the snark isn't necessary.
Could we also take into consideration please that not everybody here on this forum in an English native speaker so things can get lost in translation?
You are entitled to make that decision for yourself. There is no reason to SHOUT at your fellow pilgrims.Again for everybody safety : NO VACCINE NO CAMINO!!!!!:
The current plague is diminishing. The sunshine, the hot weather, etc., mean it's entirely possible that it continues to fade. In some-odd months when they're ready to seriously trial vaccine candidates, will it still be something the people working on medicines and vaccines think is urgent?
I liked and was inspired by the Czech video Masks4all. As the pretty lady says of the fabric masks, "mine saves you, yours saves me." As transmission is a thing in crowded spaces not on mostly empty trails, one can carry a fabric mask in one's pocket and wear it as a sign of support and charitable protectiveness towards one's fellow man while in shops and such like
I think that much of the reason for lack of vaccines for AIDS or the common cold is economic.
Why is it a conspiracy theory? Companies don't spend millions/billions of dollars on research and development if they don't think that there is a big enough market for their product.Pure conspiracy theory, sorry ...
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