Permethrin & Silk Liner

fjvjess · May 31, 2015

1) Does permetrin leave any stain or discoloration on silk?
2) Is it necessary to treat both a sleeping bag and liner when aiming to avoid bed bugs?

A friend loaned me her barely used silk liner. I'd like to return it in reasonably good condition so am considering only spraying my sleeping bag (and everything else in my pack except the liner.) What do you think?

cher99840 · May 31, 2015

No staining with Permethrin, but I would clear it with owner before using. I poison all my items (except underwear) but I have friends who are appalled at the thought of chemicals.

nalod · May 31, 2015

A good silk liner may be already treated with something for bugs, mine was. In summer that is all I use.
Dermot

swazidale · Jun 1, 2015

fjvjess said:
1) Does permetrin leave any stain or discoloration on silk?
2) Is it necessary to treat both a sleeping bag and liner when aiming to avoid bed bugs?

A friend loaned me her barely used silk liner. I'd like to return it in reasonably good condition so am considering only spraying my sleeping bag (and everything else in my pack except the liner.) What do you think?

For my 2014 Sept/Oct Camino Frances, I successfully utilized the following: 1) a permetherin-treated cotton pareo which was used as an initial mattress layer, 2) a treated silk liner and 3) treated light sleeping bag which I unzipped and used as a blanket/quilt. I also treated my backpack prior to departure. I slept quite comfortably in a variety of albergue conditions with no (bed bug) bites and no damage to the fabric(s). And yes, I was completely happy with this arrangement, and will do the same for my next Camino journey.

HalfDomeOrBust · Jun 1, 2015

swazidale said:
For my 2014 Sept/Oct Camino Frances, I successfully utilized the following: 1) a permetherin-treated cotton pareo which was used as an initial mattress layer, 2) a treated silk liner and 3) treated light sleeping bag which I unzipped and used as a blanket/quilt. I also treated my backpack prior to departure. I slept quite comfortably in a variety of albergue conditions with no (bed bug) bites and no damage to the fabric(s). And yes, I was completely happy with this arrangement, and will do the same for my next Camino journey.

I did similarly and did not have any problems on my Camino....Ed

fjvjess · Jun 2, 2015

Thank you. What is a pareo?

Alvaro · Jun 7, 2015

@fjvjess if it's the same term we use, it's like a sarong or multi-purpose large wrap.

Anniesantiago · Jun 7, 2015

I'm also curious why you are taking both a sleeping bag AND a liner?
Are you doing a winter Camino?

Anniesantiago · Jun 7, 2015

fjvjess said:
Thank you. What is a pareo?

I saw 2 of those sarongs at Goodwill this week for under $10.

fjvjess · Jun 8, 2015

Anniesantiago said:
I'm also curious why you are taking both a sleeping bag AND a liner?
Are you doing a winter Camino?

I figured someone would ask that! No, I'll be there in a few weeks- June & July. But, I'm usually cold and too particular to use the alburgue blankets. So I don't want to only have the liner. And just the bag (very light REI sleep sac) might be too much for hot nights. So, when warm I'll use the bag as a mattress cover and sleep in the liner. Anyway, lots of trial and error on a 1st Camino. I think I'd rather carry a bit extra weight than be cold.

deborah101 · Jun 8, 2015

There is a company called InsectShield.com that will treat clothing and probably the silk liner with Permethrin. They are located in Greensboro, NC, but you can mail things to be treated. They would not treat my down sleeping bag for fear of ruining the down fill, but for a very reasonable price they treated a twin size fitted sheet. I sprayed my sleeping bag myself. For clothing, etc., it is possible to buy Sawyers liquid and do the soaking of clothes oneself, but I would rather have it done professionally--the result is like Bug-off clothing. It's bad enough to have to deal with spraying the sleeping bag and backpack...but I did it anyway and had no trouble from bedbugs. PS, I have encountered bedbugs in the past---not fun!---therefore I now take all precautions!

HalfDomeOrBust · Jun 8, 2015

fjvjess said:
I figured someone would ask that! No, I'll be there in a few weeks- June & July. But, I'm usually cold and too particular to use the alburgue blankets. So I don't want to only have the liner. And just the bag (very light REI sleep sac) might be too much for hot nights. So, when warm I'll use the bag as a mattress cover and sleep in the liner. Anyway, lots of trial and error on a 1st Camino. I think I'd rather carry a bit extra weight than be cold.

FJVJESS, I also use a sleep sac with a silk liner. As you mentioned, it gives you the opportunity to use both if cold and just the silk sac if warm at nights. Last May/June I had both. Very cold at Foncebadon, BRRRR. Buen Camino

fjvjess · Jun 8, 2015

HalfDomeOrBust said:
FJVJESS, I also use a sleep sac with a silk liner. As you mentioned, it gives you the opportunity to use both if cold and just the silk sac if warm at nights. Last May/June I had both. Very cold at Foncebadon, BRRRR. Buen Camino

Oh good! Glad to hear the endorsement of my plan!

Liina · Jun 16, 2015

Hi!
Is Pyrethrin something to spray on or is it some kind of liquid? Does it smell somehow?
I'm thinking what does that "treating" mean - if I can buy it in Spain, should I wash my liner with that or just spray on?

Thanks

fjvjess · Jun 16, 2015

Liina said:
Hi!
Is Pyrethrin something to spray on or is it some kind of liquid? Does it smell somehow?
I'm thinking what does that "treating" mean - if I can buy it in Spain, should I wash my liner with that or just spray on?

Thanks

Permetrin is a liquid that you spray on your clothing, pack, sleeping bag, liner in advance. I plan to spray all my things a day or two before I leave the US; it takes time to dry but I've been told it does not smell or stain. I'm not sure about washing your liner with it. Others might be able to tell you if that works.

HalfDomeOrBust · Jun 16, 2015

fjvjess said:
Permetrin is a liquid that you spray on your clothing, pack, sleeping bag, liner in advance. I plan to spray all my things a day or two before I leave the US; it takes time to dry but I've been told it does not smell or stain. I'm not sure about washing your liner with it. Others might be able to tell you if that works.

I do the same thing at home about a week or two before I leave for the Camino. I do spray my Bag, liner sheets, all clothes ect. Pretty much everything. Some Pilgrims do not like to spray everything but I do. I want to make sure those little buggers do not get me. I have never been bitten yet!! (knock on wood).....Reading the MSDC on it once it is dry we are ok. Buena Suerte...Okay, now the haters of spraying everything can come out....

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