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Maybe it's my advanced age, but I somehow have always thought that if you are at any religious service--doesn't matter which one--you were expected to show at least a modicum of respect for all concerned. Consequently, today at the noon Pilgrim Mass in Santiago I was, as they say, shocked and appalled by the way many, many attendees seemed to treat it as if it were just some form of entertainment through which it was acceptable to talk, wander around, take pictures, leave early, etc.
The music was beautiful.
@Dorpie They used to allow backpacks in the cathedral but don't now because of security issues.
Perhaps lining them up and letting the Botafumeiro go might knock some of them out. Just a thought..........Treat the experience as you treat your Camino, especially the last 100 k.
Allow your mind to wander and accept the distractions, then disregard them and focus on your objective, the mass itself.
When you permit others to interfere with your experience by their actions, you give them the power of changing your world.
You cannot change others when even the announcements and ushers are unable to control them.
Give yourself the gift of ignoring them, they may be so caught up in the moment they have forgotten where they are.
Besides, custard pies are not allowed in the Cathedral, so don't let a certain pilgrim on this forum (David) talk you into that.
Perhaps lining them up and letting the Botafumeiro go might knock some of them out. Just a thought..........
Pilgrim Skittles?Perhaps lining them up and letting the Botafumeiro go might knock some of them out. Just a thought..........
Unfortunately we are in a media driven society now everybody trying to hold onto the experience to relive it later. It has been proven scientifically if we just look at something in the moment we remember it better and not just through a lens.That said it's good to have something to look back on but it is also important to be respectful to remember you are in a scared space. I am sure Jesus understands the human fickle heart. St Peter tried to capture the transfiguration by building tents he was trying to hold on to the moment but sometimes we just have to let it go and hold onto the experience in our hearts where the memories never fade.I sat at the base if a pillar in the Transept. Everyone took video and pictures of the botafumeiro and it was only after that, when mass really started, that the security guys enforced the no foto thing. A lot left after that flew. I don't care. It didn't affect my experience. I was just annoyed at the crowds in general. I had lunch with one of the concelebrants and he said they had to remind some of the priests not to take pictures inside the sacristyeverybody wants pictures of their time in the cathedral.
Heck, wedding masses are videod and nobody cares.
purification and sanctification linking heaven and earth for all who believeNancy and I are beginning our walk mid August. We are Catholic and are walking for spiritual strengthening. We look forward to mass at Santiago botafumeiro or not. But I can't deny the attraction of getting to see that huge insensor swing. The sweet smoke carrying your prayers to heaven. The grand spectacle of it. The blessed intent behind it. A product of faith that may affect for the better even those who just go for the tourist experience. So just let the show go on, tourists and all. When we get there, forewarned, hopefully we will be patient and understanding.
It swung at the beginning of your mass? I've never seen that. Does anyone know when they do that, as opposed to using it at the end of the mass, just before the final blessing?I sat at the base if a pillar in the Transept. Everyone took video and pictures of the botafumeiro and it was only after that, when mass really started, that the security guys enforced the no foto thing...
My story has nothing to do with you, I am sure, but your comment reminded me of something from a two weeks ago - in a very tangential way. The camino family was sitting in a restaurant in Santiago and we were discussing the behavior during mass. One young pilgrim friend came up with this quote that floored me. I think she also wanted to take it back very quickly even before she saw my jaw hit the floor. "I thought everyone was pretty good through the whole mass and then WOW! Just at the most important part of the mass, when the botafumeiro swings, almost every single person pulled out their cameras!" We all had a good laugh. There were a lot of Catholics at the table.Nancy and I are beginning our walk mid August. We are Catholic and are walking for spiritual strengthening. We look forward to mass at Santiago botafumeiro or not. But I can't deny the attraction of getting to see that huge insensor swing. The sweet smoke carrying your prayers to heaven. The grand spectacle of it. The blessed intent behind it. A product of faith that may affect for the better even those who just go for the tourist experience. So just let the show go on, tourists and all. When we get there, forewarned, hopefully we will be patient and understanding.
He he!@MichaelSG Yes during the processional. I thought maybe it was a way to get rid of the non-Catholics right awayIt worked. A bunch of people left in droves.
It swung at the beginning of your mass? I've never seen that. Does anyone know when they do that, as opposed to using it at the end of the mass, just before the final blessing?...
This was the procession but I couldn't make out what it was from my view point.As far as I know it is used if something is processed in at the beginning of the mass, like during the feast of Translatio (commemorating the arrival of the remains of St.James on the coast and its travels to his final resting place in nowadays Santiago). BC SY
Cant beat a good exit ism@MichaelSG Yes during the processional. I thought maybe it was a way to get rid of the non-Catholics right awayIt worked. A bunch of people left in droves.
This was the procession but I couldn't make ound ;-)ut what it was from my view point.
Last Saturday the 27th. The day we went to lunch.If you can give me the date I can look it up/ask around ;-) but it looks like a reliquary being processed. BC SY
Well that makes sense. It looked like the face of Christ. Thanks!Got it! They marked Ascension Day (which was on the previous Thursday) on Sunday, see also http://www.catedraldesantiago.es/en/node/482
Buen Camino, SY
Got it! They marked Ascension Day (which was on the previous Thursday) on Sunday, see also http://www.catedraldesantiago.es/en/node/482
Buen Camino, SY
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