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Tortuga9 said:Snoring, farting, and plastic bag rustling is all a part of the experience. We all create some noise that might bother others. I'm sorry that you were ridiculed.
My guess is it is the same person, because I didn't encounter this person directly. I believe I heard about it from youjkapteyn said:perhaps this was the same person you had your experience with.
cilento said:This is day 7 for me. I'm a snorer, but I have a mouthpiece that really works.
Last night in El Burgo Ranero my mouthpiece came out and I guess I snored pretty loudly. My friend woke me up and I turned over and replaced my mouthpiece, and all was fine. I was so embarrassed by this, but that's not the worst of it.
Just now in Mansilla a Spanish woman met me on the stairs of the albergue. She started yelling at me in Spanish and demanded that I show her what bed I was assigned to.
I showed her and she then went to get her family, pointed me out to them and announced that she wanted to to go to the other albergue because she wasn't going to sleep with me in the room.
I have a hotel room tomorrow night in Leon. But I'm a bit shaken up by this.
Canadiana said:... One night on my camino I fell ill and was keeping folks up coughing all night. Lucky for me, a kinder pilgrim knelt by my bedside and offered me a cough lozenge to lubricate my throat. Obviously the one whom you encountered had not yet caught the true spirit of the camino.
That woman is the one who needs to get a hotel room, not you!cilento said:Just now in Mansilla a Spanish woman met me on the stairs of the albergue. She started yelling at me in Spanish and demanded that I show her what bed I was assigned to.
I showed her and she then went to get her family, pointed me out to them and announced that she wanted to to go to the other albergue because she wasn't going to sleep with me in the room.
billmclaughlin said:In my experience, a single sharp clap, not necessarily very loud, near a snorer will cause him/her to stir and shift and stop snoring at least for a while.
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waveprof said:billmclaughlin said:In my experience, a single sharp clap, not necessarily very loud, near a snorer will cause him/her to stir and shift and stop snoring at least for a while.
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Hopefully we can all agree that clapping (even once) in an albuergue is inappropriate, and far more inconsiderate to others than the snoring.
No matter how quiet it may be, you risk waking up anybody else in the albegure who might be managing to sleep through the snoring.
billmclaughlin said:Except that the only people awakened by a single well-placed clap are.....those who are already lying awake because of the snoring.
JabbaPapa said:No snorer snores deliberately ; EVERY clapper does so intentionally. It's easily deduced which of the snorer and the clapper has engaged in the deliberate disturbance of people's sleep ...
JabbaPapa said:billmclaughlin said:Except that the only people awakened by a single well-placed clap are.....those who are already lying awake because of the snoring.
False.
I've more than once witnessed everyone except a snorer being woken up by some "well-placed" [sic] claps ... and also personally confronted such clappers over disturbing other people's sleep.
If snoring keeps you awake, then you're probably not giving the Camino all that you've got ; walk some extra KM.
I can assure you, this will work far better than any ear plugs !!!
No snorer snores deliberately ; EVERY clapper does so intentionally. It's easily deduced which of the snorer and the clapper has engaged in the deliberate disturbance of people's sleep ...
No over the counter mouth piece has been approved by the FDA. Efficacy is strictly anecdotal. Even the ones by prescription may be ineffective, and a CPAP machine may be required to stop snoring. Don't count on the device working for you without testing it extensively first!Currently only oral anti-snoring mouth pieces prescribed through a dentist or doctor, fitted by a dentist or doctor, AND approved by the FDA are legal for sale as oral appliances for relief of snoring.
NoQ said:She won't wake me tonight though as I am in the men's dorm in Leon and so expecting to play my part in a concert.
This is day 7 for me. I'm a snorer, but I have a mouthpiece that really works. Last night in El Burgo Ranero my mouthpiece came out and I guess I snored pretty loudly. My friend woke me up and I turned over and replaced my mouthpiece, and all was fine. I was so embarrassed by this, but that's not the worst of it. Just now in Mansilla a Spanish woman met me on the stairs of the albergue. She started yelling at me in Spanish and demanded that I show her what bed I was assigned to. I showed her and she then went to get her family, pointed me out to them and announced that she wanted to to go to the other albergue because she wasn't going to sleep with me in the room. I have a hotel room tomorrow night in Leon. But I'm a bit shaken up by this.
I do snore and I try to ask those around me if they have ear plugs, I have brought a bag of them, so I hand them out.
This is day 7 for me. I'm a snorer, but I have a mouthpiece that really works.....
Er... just wondering what is this mouthpiece that seems so effective? I've tried nasal sprays, sleeping on side, zero alcohol intake... I'm all for anything that might work.
Reminds me of the bad joke where a very bad (male) snorer had the tables turned on him when his room-mate gave him a big sloppy good-night kiss and then had a perfect nights sleep as the "offender" stayed awake all night in mortal dread of an advance.
just wondering what is this mouthpiece that seems so effective?
This is day 7 for me. I'm a snorer, but I have a mouthpiece that really works.
Last night in El Burgo Ranero my mouthpiece came out and I guess I snored pretty loudly. My friend woke me up and I turned over and replaced my mouthpiece, and all was fine. I was so embarrassed by this, but that's not the worst of it.
Just now in Mansilla a Spanish woman met me on the stairs of the albergue. She started yelling at me in Spanish and demanded that I show her what bed I was assigned to.
I showed her and she then went to get her family, pointed me out to them and announced that she wanted to to go to the other albergue because she wasn't going to sleep with me in the room.
I have a hotel room tomorrow night in Leon. But I'm a bit shaken up by this.
I am shocked by these reports of how peregrinos treat snorers. Every other communal sleeping situation I've been on during hikes, like shelters along the A.T., snoring was a given. If you were bothered by it you wore earplugs or slept somewhere else. There is no way it is EVER appropriate to put your hands on your fellow peregrino - especially while they're asleep. EVER.
I snore when I sleep on my back, which I do several times over the course of a night. I have also battled insomnia for years and sleep is precious to me. If I don't get a decent night's sleep I don't walk the next day, that's all there is to it. The idea that there will be other peregrinos who will clap, poke, push, kick or otherwise wake me up and get in my face for something I do involuntarily disgusts me. Frankly, if someone did that to me while I was sleeping there would be black eyes and broken fingers before I was even fully awake. I'll be carrying a tent and avoiding albergues like the plague. I don't want to sleep where it's acceptable to physically assault others.
This is day 7 for me. I'm a snorer, but I have a mouthpiece that really works.
Last night in El Burgo Ranero my mouthpiece came out and I guess I snored pretty loudly. My friend woke me up and I turned over and replaced my mouthpiece, and all was fine. I was so embarrassed by this, but that's not the worst of it.
Just now in Mansilla a Spanish woman met me on the stairs of the albergue. She started yelling at me in Spanish and demanded that I show her what bed I was assigned to.
I showed her and she then went to get her family, pointed me out to them and announced that she wanted to to go to the other albergue because she wasn't going to sleep with me in the room.
I have a hotel room tomorrow night in Leon. But I'm a bit shaken up by this.
I sympathise with both sides. Unfortunately I have not yet found any earplugs which could block out a heavy snorer. If anyone knows of any please tell me. But it's not just the noise...it's the resonance of snoring: the bunk can really vibrate if you have the misfortune to share one with someone who snores like a tank going up a steep gradient.I can snore, it is dependent upon certain situations. I am bringing 20 earplugs so if someone forgot theirs I can pass them a pair.
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No.Would it not make more sense for the person keeping everyone else awake to stay in a private room
I was repeatedly woken during one night by a German woman banging on my bed and eventually slapping me
I could take the easy path, and not inflict myself on others. Stay in private accommodation. Peace....... and a good nights rest......
I choose Two
P.S. If by some bad fortune I do end up staying in an Albergue with you, due to lack of other options, if I snore, you have my permission to nudge me gently to get me to roll overOf course other snorers might consider that as assault. Is there a lawyer in the room?
P.P.S. Can we start a debate on smoking? Which most people who smoke do out of 'choice'.... and tend to inflict their smoke and butts on others and the environment. I have a request. If you smoke, please stay downwind of me and don't expect me to enjoy your company unless you would like me to throw up on youMaybe not a great idea to open that debate....
This is a tricky debate isn't it?
We live in a World these days where minority interests take precedence, thanks to our warped Western political (grab/buy votes) systems that most of us have. THe slient majority is often ignored. We all try to be Politically correct, and considerate and aware of every one else's needs to the extent that we are in danger of creating a society of 'entitlement'. Oops. I think we did that alreadySorry, not meaning to Troll, well not too much Isn't this also about personal responsibility and consideration for others?
But seriously, I am a snorer. Which I did not choose to be!
I have two options.
ONE. I claim my 'right' to use an Albergue just like anyone else. I'll worry at night that I will disturb others, and in the process not rest well myself.
If I do disturb others I'll just create a really bad 'vibe', as there are few things worse than lack of sleep. And I could 'soldier on' with good and bad nights / experiences for the duration of my Camino. Always worrying that I might end up in some kind of 'conflict' and having to defend my 'right' to use an Albergue.
or
TWO. I could take the easy path, and not inflict myself on others. Stay in private accommodation. Peace....... and a good nights rest......
I choose Two
P.S. If by some bad fortune I do end up staying in an Albergue with you, due to lack of other options, if I snore, you have my permission to nudge me gently to get me to roll overOf course other snorers might consider that as assault. Is there a lawyer in the room?
P.P.S. Can we start a debate on smoking? Which most people who smoke do out of 'choice'.... and tend to inflict their smoke and butts on others and the environment. I have a request. If you smoke, please stay downwind of me and don't expect me to enjoy your company unless you would like me to throw up on youMaybe not a great idea to open that debate....
Robo,
I'm with you on this one.
Anything, at nearly any price, for a quiet life - not just for me but also for the others.
So in my pursuit of your "option two" I have compiled my own list of accommodation (hotels et al.) for nearly every possible overnight stopping place on the camino so that I can snore in peace on my own in a room with an en suite bathroom.
The cotton wrapped in wax earplugs are excellent (Ohropax), and the reason why I bring my Jawbone/Fitbit to use as a vibrating alarm clock or else I will not wake up in the morning. Also, why not just use snoring as your sound meditation support? I snore so this year I will sew a sqash ball on the back of a tight fitting tshirt so I don't sleep on my back.I sympathise with both sides. Unfortunately I have not yet found any earplugs which could block out a heavy snorer. If anyone knows of any please tell me. But it's not just the noise...it's the resonance of snoring: the bunk can really vibrate if you have the misfortune to share one with someone who snores like a tank going up a steep gradient.
Except that the only people awakened by a single well-placed clap are.....those who are already lying awake because of the snoring.
Would it not make more sense for the person keeping everyone else awake to stay in a private room than insisting those who can't sleep be the ones to do so?
And I have found that sometimes the people who wake you up to tell you to stop snoring actually snore themselvesI don't know where people get the idea snoring is a conscious act, but they are just fellow humans trying to breathe.
If you aren't ready to face some snoring, you aren't ready for an albergue.
Good luck with that in Spain. I was "inside" a cafe bar in Pamplona yesterday and half the patrons were smoking which is against the law.This is a tricky debate isn't it?
P.P.S. Can we start a debate on smoking? Which most people who smoke do out of 'choice'.... and tend to inflict their smoke and butts on others and the environment. I have a request. If you smoke, please stay downwind of me and don't expect me to enjoy your company unless you would like me to throw up on youMaybe not a great idea to open that debate....
I would say more precisely (more precisely for me, not you) that we could also just remember that we have chosen to join group sleeping arrangements. If you don't like it, go elsewhere.Alternatively, we could also just remember we are on a pilgrimage
I agree 100%. You choose to walk across northern Spain all the while choosing to stay in dormitory style, communal living arrangements. Don't whine and cry if there is snoring at night. It comes with the territory.How about we turn this around....if snoring bothers you that much, go stay in a private room.
At the start of my Camino I sensed a Spanish women was talking about my snoring to her friend. ( my grasp of Spanish is not good ). I asked her if she snored. She said not. I replied, don't worry, I'll give you lessons.
After taking a bit of stick I'm now paying to stay in private accommodation. The individual who repeatedly commented on my snoring now assumes I'm being elitist!
Communal living requires a little give and take.
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