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I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
So my thoughts having just reached Santiago today after 2 weeks on the Norte: by the sound of it you seem to be well aware of where the risks are and how to avoid them. It sounds like you are not planning to stay much in albergues (although they are implementing quite strict measures I think there is always more risk if sharing a dorm with strangers than a private room in a pension or hotel). If you avoid going inside bars etc on the way, also I think pretty low risk. I stayed in hotels and pensions and all were pretty impressive in the measures they took and the more upscale they were, the more fastidious (eg the Parador in Vilalba disinfected my passport before inspection at check-in). Masks of course are de riguer everywhere.Should I Travel This Year? (Published 2020)
Travel looks very different in 2020. Here are some questions to help you consider the risks to yourself and others if you take a trip.www.nytimes.com
The NYTimes had a great questionnaire about whether to travel right now-----if you are 65+ or have any health problems the answer is NO. If that does not apply to you then there are others questions to determine whether it is a good idea right now.
I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
Not related to the OP’s query but do you have any tips on Sauerkraut?. (Don't have time to check as I am putting up sauerkraut.)
Oops. Sorry. Should have thought of that.@OzAnnie I suggest you take your query to a PM - let's not let the thread get de-railed into discussions about something completely unrelated! Have a heart for the poor old moderators.
That was a big factor in my deciding not to go as planned this July.Apart from the medical aspects I would take into consideration that a camino in these circumstances will differ a lot from a camino in more "open" circumstances. Allthough I like walking on my own, the meetings in the evenings in albergues, restaurants were to me an essential part of my caminos. Much of the "meetingpossibilities" will be lost on a "covidcamino"
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions.
Only you will know if it's selfish.Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
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As Canadians we are encouraged to avoid nonessential international travel. Do you have travel insurance? Are you prepared for 14 days quarantine upon your return?
I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
That’s a very good point. My daughter lives in Canada and they are advised not to travel anywhere...The government of Canada still advises on their website to avoid all non essential travel to Spain ( and everywhere else), making it impossible to get travel insurance.
Buen caminoI'm not going to tell you what to do. I will tell you what I am doing (right or wrong) and how I feel about it.
Right now I am walking the "Camino Frances". I am writing to you from the albergue in Torres del Río.
I think it is clear that if I do it is because I thought it was the right thing to do.
How I feel? I feel quite safe (always within the uncertainty of the situation). I am truly convinced that walking the Camino is the safest alternative I had for my vacation.
It is clear that if I lock myself at home it would be safer, but I really believe that my life on the Camino is safer than my life at home living a semi-normal life.
Logistical problems: Basically I do not find any logistical problems. The only problem is, I don't like to make reservations and now I consider safer to phone the albergues the night before to make sure they are open. The price of the albergues has risen a bit (2 euros?) And you cannot cook in the albergue. 90% of the albergues are open.
Safety measures: You have to wear a mask when you are around other people. This basically involves wearing a mask when crossing a city, walking through a city, and inside the albergue. Groups of more than 10 people are not allowed.
I do not know. I think this is the basic information. As I mentioned, I am not saying that it is right or wrong. I say what I am doing and how I feel.
I checked into this. Medipac Insurance Canada advises they will cover you.The government of Canada still advises on their website to avoid all non essential travel to Spain ( and everywhere else), making it impossible to get travel insurance.
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Mea culpa. I think it is a natural instinct. Through education about my own safety AND the protection of others, I try to maintain physical distancing and wear a mask as appropriate. But I admit that my own protection is what I think about first, and I am not ashamed to admit it.I feel that many people are more worried about contracting covid-19 rather than spreading covid-19.
Well, I think that those who are afraid of getting the virus and take precautions to avoid doing so are less likely to get the virus, and cannot spread it unless they first get it. And I think that the many young people who have recently contracted and spread the virus in your province and mine, were not adequately afraid of their getting it. So you are doing more to protect me than someone who may claim not to wish to spread it to others but is not highly aware of what she or he needs to do for self-protection.Mea culpa. I think it is a natural instinct. Through education about my own safety AND the protection of others, I try to maintain physical distancing and wear a mask as appropriate. But I admit that my own protection is what I think about first, and I am not ashamed to admit it.
Mea culpa. I think it is a natural instinct. Through education about my own safety AND the protection of others, I try to maintain physical distancing and wear a mask as appropriate. But I admit that my own protection is what I think about first, and I am not ashamed to admit it.
What always weighs heavily in my decision making process, is not the facts surrounding my own behavior but the unknowns surrounding the behaviors of others. I liken it to my driving in the snowy New England (USA ) hard winters...I trust my driving skills, I trust the sturdiness of my car...but I don't trust those other drivers who are out on the streets with no skills to drive safely in snow, balding tires, wreckless driving behaviors. I would be safe, alone on the roads...but with other less equipped or inconsiderate drivers?
I feel the Camino will hold too many similar unknowns, too many threats from others who may not have had the same education on the virus, who may come from countries that were not as significantly affected, who may have a less than cautious view, who may reject the need to keep others safe...All we are left with is the faith in our own behaviors and the giant unknown about the behaviors of others. Cancelling my trek was the most difficult decision I had to make and my heart longs to go...It will be IN HIS TIME.
While I totally understand your desire to walk the Camino in September there are a couple of things I think you should consider. I also an Canadian and it is my understanding that the level 3 travel advisory issued by the federal government in March is still in effect. Therefore you can’t get travel insurance to cover you if you get Covid 19 - it is a risk that personally I wouldn’t take. Also if you do go the experience will not be the exhilarating experience that it once was - I remember my first Camino and the free wheeling spirit of meeting so many different people, sharing meals, accommodations and so on - It was electric. Sadly, all that is gone for the foreseeable future. The decision of course, is yours to make - but my free advice is to hold off Until it will be a more enjoyable adventure. Full disclosure - I had plans to go in October to do my third Camino (the Primitivo) but have cancelLed.I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
Also, I feel that many people are more worried about contracting covid-19 rather than spreading covid-19.
I get this sense too, @Crosscheck Rider, and given the self-centered individualist focus of our society, that's hardly a surprise. But when we protect ourself we're protecting others and vice versa. So no shame, if you're taking care.But I admit that my own protection is what I think about first, and I am not ashamed to admit it.
I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
My wife and I had hoped to do the Camino Frances this fall. Our tickets were bought and hotels were booked. Then the airline cancelled our flight two weeks ago and gave us no option to reschedule this year (Air Canada). I am an ER doctor, so for us walking the Camino would have been less dangerous than going to work here in Canada.I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
I am trying to decide on walking in September. I thought I'd write this post in order to formally organize my thinking. So it's not presented as an argument or to disagree with others but just some loosely organized thoughts to which I welcome any replies.
I live in a small highly touristed town in Canada. Our particular province has a high contagion rate compared to the rest of Canada. My daughter continues to work in a restaurant and I continue to see friends, some of whom have compromised health. I continue to visit my mother who lives in a care facility.
Why? My daughter's facility is extremely careful. People eat outside, well spaced apart and the staff are all masked. They are rigorous in following the safety guidelines. My friends and I share a glass now and again. We sit outside or well spaced apart. We avoid close contact. My compromised friends have a very small tight bubble. We are even more careful when we meet on a limited basis. I meet my mother only outside, in an area which is cleaned after every visit.
We all have been wearing masks for months even before it was required. We avoid crowds, we are careful to respect other's needs should we have to get close.
I know that in my province the high contagion rate is due to outbreaks in food processing facilities or to very particular bars where young people have skirted the rules, or they have been in faith communities with a high degree of group interaction. Therefore we feel we can continue to live with a normal degree of caution.
When I read the news about Canada or Spain the facts are presented in broad strokes with not much nuance. It makes it hard to make rational decisions. This is how I feel at the present ---
Covid generally spreads thru close prolonged contact. It is rarely spread thru surface contact. In Spain it is concentrated in the larger cities, in groups of agricultural workers, and in holiday hot spots in bars. On the Camino I will be avoiding indoor gatherings, I will be well isolated on the trail for most of the day. At night I will be eating outside and carefully choosing where I sleep. I will wear a mask whenever I have to enter a premise, in any crowded situation, and when anyone asks me too.
Should I go? Or is this just a selfish wish?
One CAN get insurance .While I totally understand your desire to walk the Camino in September there are a couple of things I think you should consider. I also an Canadian and it is my understanding that the level 3 travel advisory issued by the federal government in March is still in effect. Therefore you can’t get travel insurance to cover you if you get Covid 19 - it is a risk that personally I wouldn’t take. Also if you do go the experience will not be the exhilarating experience that it once was - I remember my first Camino and the free wheeling spirit of meeting so many different people, sharing meals, accommodations and so on - It was electric. Sadly, all that is gone for the foreseeable future. The decision of course, is yours to make - but my free advice is to hold off Until it will be a more enjoyable adventure. Full disclosure - I had plans to go in October to do my third Camino (the Primitivo) but
While I totally understand your desire to walk the Camino in September there are a couple of things I think you should consider. I also an Canadian and it is my understanding that the level 3 travel advisory issued by the federal government in March is still in effect. Therefore you can’t get travel insurance to cover you if you get Covid 19 - it is a risk that personally I wouldn’t take. Also if you do go the experience will not be the exhilarating experience that it once was - I remember my first Camino and the free wheeling spirit of meeting so many different people, sharing meals, accommodations and so on - It was electric. Sadly, all that is gone for the foreseeable future. The decision of course, is yours to make - but my free advice is to hold off Until it will be a more enjoyable adventure. Full disclosure - I had plans to go in October to do my third Camino (the Primitivo) but have cancelLed.
I'll PM you!Not related to the OP’s query but do you have any tips on Sauerkraut?I’ve been involved in a discussion about this topic (just last night !). What’s with all the Sauerkraut - is it popular worldwide ?
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GO GO GO!!! Yes Go.
Don’t listen to anyone with negative comments.
I am Canadian Also. I just finished Camino Francis. All is ok here to do the Camino .
I can offer these comments that are not broad strokes and come from my time in the last 5 weeks. (I’m currently still in sprint )
Getting into Spain is no problem for Canadian. It is based on passport, NOT where you have been. One would need to go online to the Spain health registry and get the QR code they will email to you. They ask for this at he plane and in Spain. The form asks where you have been.... I had been in USA prior but that did not affect the approval.
I flew to France. France is even easier than get into.. I’m on my way there now for a continued vacation... again, Canadian passport..
On the Camino, there are not many people. Mostly Spanish and French... masks to be worn everywhere always except while walking the Camino, no one wears a mask, put the mask on when approaching and walking into and around the villages. You don’t need to wear a mask when sitting down to eat or drink. Technically just drinking, One needs to wear the mask, take it off to sip, then back on.... but no one goes to this extent.... all this applies to indoors and outdoors..... most people here eat outdoors as im
Sure you know.
Albergue. I avoided the dorm rooms or shared rooms, simply because of COVID.... I camped, or chose private room (privateroom 35euro vs 10 euro for a bed)... that being said, there are not a lot of people do it’s not crowded in them.... I stayed some nights in shared rooms and seemed ok. Everyone wore masks but I had a sense that this was pushing it a bit.
I never made a reservation because there are few people and I just picked a place in the village I walked into... however, some very small villages I saw that many Albergue were closed completely for the year.
Bring spare masks. I lost 4 of them ... or buy the cool styled Camino mask that are sold on the way
Don’t bring hand sanitizer ... it’s EVERYWHERE !!!
In short, you should go defiantly. The fact that it’s not crowded brings a lot of peace. Also, for me, it was kind of like I was removed from the COVID scene.
RQM
Are you saying that there is plenty of Covid-19 for everyone??Yes Go
don't worry about the COVID 19, there is no need to rush, you don't see it but there is plenty for everyone, Ultreia!
@mjal -
Regarding CV-19, CDC indicates an overall CFR of less than 0.26% - not arguing with NHS as this is USA-centric data but that happens to be where I live.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
The attached file is a slog but you needn't go past Figure 1 on the 3rd page of the document. Use of a rule and pencil indicates about 260 deaths per 100,000 people or 0.26%...pretty much the same as current.
What is missing from policy analyses is qualitative info. The current bug seems to be most ferocious to people over 65 (and I am in that esteemed group) whereas the prior pandemics seemed to be more "equal opportunity" killers. The pandemic of 1918-1920, (mistakenly named "Spanish flu" though it had NO connection to Spain whatsoever) was really merciless to the young and healthy. There is plenty of public info for the interested to review. (This thread is not a lecture hall, eh?)
Bottom line (for me personally, anyway) the common flu viruses have vaccines available to combat them...and they are still here!
There has never been a successful human coronavirus vaccine (and they have been researched for 50 years). It is up to me to learn to live with it and/or die from it.
Apologies for a too-long post for the uninterested but I thought @mjal raised an honest question and deserved a response.
B
You need a leash...and a handler with some considerationHi
GO GO GO!!! Yes Go.
Don’t listen to anyone with negative comments.
I am Canadian Also. I just finished Camino Francis. All is ok here to do the Camino .
I can offer these comments that are not broad strokes and come from my time in the last 5 weeks. (I’m currently still in sprint )
Getting into Spain is no problem for Canadian. It is based on passport, NOT where you have been. One would need to go online to the Spain health registry and get the QR code they will email to you. They ask for this at he plane and in Spain. The form asks where you have been.... I had been in USA prior but that did not affect the approval.
I flew to France. France is even easier than get into.. I’m on my way there now for a continued vacation... again, Canadian passport..
On the Camino, there are not many people. Mostly Spanish and French... masks to be worn everywhere always except while walking the Camino, no one wears a mask, put the mask on when approaching and walking into and around the villages. You don’t need to wear a mask when sitting down to eat or drink. Technically just drinking, One needs to wear the mask, take it off to sip, then back on.... but no one goes to this extent.... all this applies to indoors and outdoors..... most people here eat outdoors as im
Sure you know.
Albergue. I avoided the dorm rooms or shared rooms, simply because of COVID.... I camped, or chose private room (privateroom 35euro vs 10 euro for a bed)... that being said, there are not a lot of people do it’s not crowded in them.... I stayed some nights in shared rooms and seemed ok. Everyone wore masks but I had a sense that this was pushing it a bit.
I never made a reservation because there are few people and I just picked a place in the village I walked into... however, some very small villages I saw that many Albergue were closed completely for the year.
Bring spare masks. I lost 4 of them ... or buy the cool styled Camino mask that are sold on the way
Don’t bring hand sanitizer ... it’s EVERYWHERE !!!
In short, you should go defiantly. The fact that it’s not crowded brings a lot of peace. Also, for me, it was kind of like I was removed from the COVID scene.
RQM
Here we go again with all the opinions.
There are a few here that I won't discuss or quote, not wanting to give them any more oxygen than they already have.
Please take care of each other and yourselves, everyone. And gracias for your good sense, @ivar:
I find myself confused ; have you edited your post and inadvertently removed the information that the attachment relates to various flu pandemics? Your note re a "death rate" of 0.26% presumably references the 1957 (Asian) flu which you then say is "much the same as current" ; does this mean the same rate as Covid-19? It is essentially the same as the UK rate of 0.2% for Asian flu which I quoted.
CDC rates (USA) : that organisation did indeed have a view that IFR for Covid-19 was 0.26% but as far as I know it then revised this to 0.65%.
Your link to the CDC planning document : Table 1 in this suggests various scenarios with several IFRs : 0.5% to 0.8% ending with "current best estimate" of ...0.65%. These figures are from a link in the planning document.
Obtaining correct IFRs is immensely difficult but my opinion is that the best figures (for the moment) are derived from a randomly-selected population subjected to antibody studies e.g. the Imperial College research and also the similar Spanish paper. IFR in these was around 0.8% to 1.1% or so.
For those not yet rendered unconscious by detail, the Imperial reference is in my previous post (#25) and here is the Spanish reference (again).
This is the original report ; there are later ones with very similar results.Antibody study shows just 5% of Spaniards have contracted the coronavirus
Preliminary findings of the survey reveal that over 90% of infections have gone undetected by the healthcare systemenglish.elpais.com
Last but not least...what about cellular (T-cell) immunity? Short answer : we do not (yet) know just how this fits in to the overall picture. It may mean that "herd immunity" is closer than it presently seems but we have no real evidence yet to allow us to state this.
Are you saying that there is plenty of Covid-19 for everyone??
@mjal -
I have not edited my post.
What I presented is what I can gather which is co-synchronous with my experience from the years past. Allow me a day to come back to you as I decipher your comment...right now, I am harvesting the garden's bounty.
B
PS. T-cell immunity is under-rated in current analyses.
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