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I don't think so.Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did.
C clearly,I don't think so.
In fact, her book was the first I read about the Camino. But I knew perfectly well that it was her unique "spin", so I skipped various parts and did not let it deter me. I still knew I wanted to walk the Camino.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
Me too. Except dislike is too mild a word.I am a woman and I really dislike this book.
anamcara,Before I read Shirley Mclaine’s book more than twenty years ago, I’d never heard of ‘the camino’. I didn’t like the book - as it went on I found it just plain irritating. But … I was left with this thought.
‘Imagine walking 800 kms across a country. That’s incredible.’
The thought soon left me but then retuned intermittently … and other reminders of this thing called ‘the Camino’ came along in the intervening years.
So, although I was not a fan of the book, when I set out alone on the Camino Frances for the first time in 2011, I gave a small ‘nod’ to Shirley for planting a seed and to other writers including Paulo Coelho for nudging me towards this idea.
Ooh, and scrolling down through the various posts I saw that you - through your all my caminos blog - are also cited by another pilgrim as their first inspiration.
I liked her book simply because I'm a girl.Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
You did all the way to Burgette on the first day. Lots of people are saying to stop at Orisson for the night or you will kill yourself. How was you feeling the next day?Having read The Sun Also Rises a number of times, it inspired us to stay in Burguete instead of Roncesvalles on our second trek over the Pyrenees. Staying at the Hostel Burguete in the Hemingway room (#23) didn’t disappoint. In fact the Trout á la Hemingway in their restaurant was a perfect way to finish off our first day on the Camino.
I probably should have given it 0 starsMe too. Except dislike is too mild a word.
I don't think so.
In fact, her book was the first I read about the Camino. But I knew perfectly well that it was her unique "spin", so I skipped various parts and did not let it deter me. I still knew I wanted to walk the Camino.
I don't know what I would think of Maclaine's book if I read it now - but am grateful that she planted the seed in my mind. At 78, I do always recognize a sexist remark from some guy purporting to guess what "women" think.Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
There is no doubt that the first day on the CF is perhaps the most challenging. I’ve taken both routes across the Pyrenees from SJPP and found them equally demanding. As it was only a few kilometers on to Burguete from Roncesvalles,You did all the way to Burgette on the first day. Lots of people are saying to stop at Orisson for the night or you will kill yourself. How was you feeling the next day?
I did this in 2017 when I was 64. The last 40 minutes from Roncesvalles to Burguete was the perfect wind-down and I felt absolutely fine the next day. (Walked to Larrasoaña.)You did all the way to Burgette on the first day. Lots of people are saying to stop at Orisson for the night or you will kill yourself. How was you feeling the next day?
I did the very same thing on my 2016 Camino (at 65). The advice that I was given at the Pilgrim’s Office in SJPP was to stay on the road down to Roncesvalles instead of taking the path through the woods. It was great advice particularly since fatigue can be a factor by the time you reach the top. The next day into Larrasoaña was another lovely walk even in light rain. Do keep your pack as light as possible. Whether you’re in the mountains or on the flats, a lighter backpack will benefit you.I did this in 2017 when I was 64. The last 40 minutes from Roncesvalles to Burguete was the perfect wind-down and I felt absolutely fine the next day. (Walked to Larrasoaña.)
I don't think it's an idiotic idea that women have different likes and dislikes than men. In factI am a woman and I really dislike this book.
Plus living in this century it would be nice that we finally would get rid of the idiotic idea that there are books that would appeal more to specific genders...
Now, all of a sudden I am making a sexist remark. You need to get off your high horse. And would never purport to know what women think. I wrote "Women may like it more than I did" which seems to be the indication if you read the comments on Amazon for the book. Stop making wild assumptions about menI don't know what I would think of Maclaine's book if I read it now - but am grateful that she planted the seed in my mind. At 78, I do always recognize a sexist remark from some guy purporting to guess what "women" think.
I don't think it's an idiotic idea that women have different likes and dislikes than men. In fact
I think everybody should accept the notion that we are different and may have different tastes.
I disagree with you. Our "background, general interest, preferences" are influenced by what gender we are. I have found that the most sexist people are the ones that think men and women are the same. We are not and it's time those people accept our differences.Yes! We humans have different tastes and luckily ( !! ) we are very different to each other. But the criteria are background, general interest, preferences and education but not gender!
Buen ( openminded ) Camino to you!
Hi Todd,Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
I'm Off Then: Losing and Finding Myself on the Camino de Santiago (German: Ich bin dann mal weg) is a book by German writer Hape Kerkeling. The best book I have read about the Camino de Santiago. Engaging and funny, also informative. I plan to bring it with me on Camino Frances to read again as I follow in his footsteps.Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
The second most overrated book about the Camino.I am a woman and I really dislike this book.
Plus living in this century it would be nice that we finally would get rid of the idiotic idea that there are books that would appeal more to specific genders...
Which is the first?The second most overrated book about the Camino.
This book entered the public domain in the US at the start of this month. It is already free to read in various formats at the Project Gutenberg website.The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival (Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
I'm Off Then: Losing and Finding Myself on the Camino de Santiago (German: Ich bin dann mal weg) is a book by German writer Hape Kerkeling.
Thank you, @isawtman, for this interesting thread! So far I have read just two Camino related books, a historical novel called die Madonna von Santiago ( El verdugo de Dios) by Totti Lezea and the autobiographical book "Ich bin dann mal weg" ("I'm off then!") by the german comedian Hepe Kerkeling. I'll take your recommendation and try to find the book by Don Thomas!
Worth reading so you know what everyone is talking aboutThe Camino by Shirley Maclaine
The translation, from kilometres and euros into miles and dollars, spoilt the book for me. There are NO miles and dollars in Spain. He also criticizes albergues, but never ever stays in one.I'm Off Then: Losing and Finding Myself on the Camino de Santiago (German: Ich bin dann mal weg) is a book by German writer Hape Kerkeling.
Most pilgrims walk all the way to Roncesvalles. If you are in decent physical condition it is not that difficult. I have done it several times and walked all the way to Burguete, just another 3-4 flat kilometres more after a break at the bar in Roncesvalles.You did all the way to Burgette on the first day. Lots of people are saying to stop at Orisson for the night or you will kill yourself. How was you feeling the next day?
Couldn’t agree with you more about Coelho’s The Pilgrimage. I, too, could only read a couple chapters of it. On the other hand, I found his book The Alchemist quite enjoyable and, as a general parable, very applicable to why one might walk the Camino. As it is a short, easy read, I pick it up once a year either before or after walking the Camino. I always find it brings me to the “right place.”None of the popular Camino books I take too seriously (same with the movies) as I know that practically all writer's embellish (caca de toro) their stories. So I take them with a grain of salt and judge the book by what I find interesting and entertaining even though I know it's not all true.
The Paulo Coelo book I could only read a couple of chapters of because of the whole mysticism thing to it (swords etc) and what I found to be cheesy, stereotype life motivation type advice. Fortunately it was a borrowed book and I could return it.
The Shirley McClain book was just too far out in la la land for me. A couple of chapters and skimming through it I decided mas caca de toro. Another (fortunately) borrowed book.
At first I did not enjoy the Hape Kerkiling book, but it grew on me and I ended up liking it. Bought that book for $3.00 on eBay, used.
The Jack Hitt book I enjoyed even though kinda silly. Grew on me. Another eBay used purchase. About $5.00.
Hemingway's Sun Also Rises I read years ago in college. Way before I knew about the Camino. Really enjoyed it, as I do most of his works, even though he was quite the eccentric chap and another writer fond of embellishing from what I've heard. On one of my Camino's I did spend the night at the Hostel Burguete, saw the piano with his initials carved on it but do not remember what room we stayed in.
Thanks ToddHi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
I don't think she hiked the whole camino. In the book she describes being driven through several towns to avoid the pressI am embarking on my first Camino the first part of October, unfortunately not the entire distance but a start. I have read numerous books, fiction and nonfiction, including Shirley MacLaine’s. I always kept in mind that she is an actress and that this too may have been portrayed as a part in a movie. Although she did walk the entire Camino, a bit of embellishment was not surprising and at times tedious. I just saw it as part of who she is. She is one of my favorite actresses so I cut her some slack.
Frey, Nancy Louise. Pilgrim Stories : On and off the Road to Santiago, Journeys along an Ancient Way in Modern Spain, University of California Press, 1998. ProQuest Ebook Central, http://ebookcentral.proquest.com/lib/usyd/detail.action?docID=871912Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
The press? lolI don't think she hiked the whole camino. In the book she describes being driven through several towns to avoid the press
Back in the nineties, MacClaine was in a lot of movies, and was on many talk shows - probably because of her belief in past lives, and other mysticism. So I imagine that when she walked the Camino she was probably a lot more recognized than today.The press? lol
I've seen a couple of her movies and such, but to be honest I don't think I'd recognize her (or any celebrity for that matter) if I saw them walking to Camino.
Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about
Alisa Piper's Sinning Across Spain inspired my wife and I to walk our CaminosMy wife told me that I would not like the Shirley MacLaine book, and she was right. Not because it was badly written, but that it was too far from what I was looking for in a story.
My wife also told me that I would like the book about living in Spain, "Driving over Lemons" by Chris Stewart, and she was right again.
She also liked the Don Thomas book, as did I.
She told me I would not like the book "Wild" by Cheryl Strayed, and she was right (Watching the movie just confirmed this.
So, when I next want to read a book about the Camino, I shall consult my wife straight away as she knows what I like before I do, and she is right !!
Paula Constant's Slow Journey South and follow up book Sahara are both excellent readsMy wife told me that I would not like the Shirley MacLaine book, and she was right. Not because it was badly written, but that it was too far from what I was looking for in a story.
My wife also told me that I would like the book about living in Spain, "Driving over Lemons" by Chris Stewart, and she was right again.
She also liked the Don Thomas book, as did I.
She told me I would not like the book "Wild" by Cheryl Strayed, and she was right (Watching the movie just confirmed this.
So, when I next want to read a book about the Camino, I shall consult my wife straight away as she knows what I like before I do, and she is right !!
Of course, the first thing I do when reading something like this is to check my bibliography and see if the books are there. I don't have Rufin's Compostela but I do have The Santiago Pilgrimage: walking the immortal way by the same author. Do you know if this is the same book, just given different names in translation or if he has written two books on the subject? I also didn't have the Annink, but that seems to be because I was limiting the bibliography to books I can read (in English or translation) and the only edition I can find is in Dutch.My favourites are: Jean-Christophe Rufin: Compostela and Hans Annink: A late pilgrim on the Milky Way
And then I had to go and check for these, too.This is what I wrote in 2013:
Camino bibliography
As an ex-librarian, I must offer you a reading list! The first title is the must-have guide to carry with you. The others are for research before you set off. Of course there are hundreds of blogs out there as well…
Brierley, John. A pilgrim’s guide to the Camino de Santiago. 9th ed. (Camino Guides, 2013).
Burkhardt-Felder, Theresa. Pray for me in Santiago. (Fremantle Arts Centre Press, 2005).
Clark, Trish. Guide to the Camino. (Paratus Press, 2013).
Harrison, Kathryn. The road to Santiago. (National Geographic, 2003).
Kerkeling, Hape. I’m off then: losing and finding myself on the Camino de Santiago. (Free Press, 2009).
Wells, Kim and Malcolm. Camino footsteps. (Fremantle Press, 2008).
Steven, your write up is much more interesting than what Shirley didI enjoyed reading the pooh pooh of the woo woo in McClain’s book on the Camino. Yes, she did stray from a simple tale of walking the Camino into the mystical realm, but it seems appropriate given where she was walking.
The pilgrimage is based on the mystical voyage of the body of St. James transported in a stone boat surrounded by angels. After sailing upriver to Padron body is deposited and forgotten and centuries later discovered by a shepard guided by a shining star. Then St. James then mystically appears at the mythical battle of Clavijo slaying earning name Santiago Matamoros.
Perhaps sometime in the future a bishop or pope will decree the visions of St. Shirley to be a mystery of the church.
What kind of sins are we talking about?Alisa Piper's Sinning Across Spain inspired my wife and I to walk our Caminos
Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
Basically she walks from Granada to Santiago carrying the sins of friends and relatives in her backpack. In turn they pay her to take their sins with her. Much in the same way as medieval believers who paid pilgrims to carry their sins to holy places to buy forgiveness. Thus she funded her Camino.. She received sins of anger envy pride and lust among many.What kind of sins are we talking about?
If anyone wants to discuss this book and missed the thread when it came out, there is a thread in the Book Club about it, which you can still read and add your own thoughts to.Basically she walks from Granada to Santiago carrying the sins of friends and relatives in her backpack. In turn they pay her to take their sins with her. Much in the same way as medieval believers who paid pilgrims to carry their sins to holy places to buy forgiveness. Thus she funded her Camino.. She received sins of anger envy pride and lust among many.
She tells a great story meets some lovely people and inspired us to walk our Caminos and hopefully a few more
Do you mean Hape Kerkeling's book, which was originally in German?I have read Jack Hitt's book (translated into English) quite awhile ago. While I didn't dislike it, it left no lasting impression for me
Yes, that one, Kape's book...I made an oops. Jack Hitt's book was uninteresting because I never read it.Do you mean Hape Kerkeling's book, which was originally in German?
Paulo Coelho - THE PILGRIMAGEWhich is the first?
Mystery of dysfunction more like it lol.I enjoyed reading the pooh pooh of the woo woo in McClain’s book on the Camino. Yes, she did stray from a simple tale of walking the Camino into the mystical realm, but it seems appropriate given where she was walking.
The pilgrimage is based on the mystical voyage of the body of St. James transported in a stone boat surrounded by angels. After sailing upriver to Padron body is deposited and forgotten and centuries later discovered by a shepard guided by a shining star. Then St. James then mystically appears at the mythical battle of Clavijo slaying earning name Santiago Matamoros.
Perhaps sometime in the future a bishop or pope will decree the visions of St. Shirley to be a mystery of the church.
So, when you get to Santiago, what do you do with all the sins? Do you put them in a sin bin?Basically she walks from Granada to Santiago carrying the sins of friends and relatives in her backpack. In turn they pay her to take their sins with her. Much in the same way as medieval believers who paid pilgrims to carry their sins to holy places to buy forgiveness. Thus she funded her Camino.. She received sins of anger envy pride and lust among many.
She tells a great story meets some lovely people and inspired us to walk our Caminos and hopefully a few more
Tom, you have written the Camino Book of 2021! Congratulations!!!!Wow! Just wow! I am so surprised and humbled - really, deeply humbled.
To be mentioned in the same thread with some literary greats is frankly both surprising and very gratifying. I wrote in a pen name - Don Thomas - as I was not seeking personal recognition.
An Australian Camino friend wrote to tell me to look into this thread as it was discussing Camino books, including mine - Finding Santiago. When I wrote and self-published it in 2020, I was just finding something to do at the beginning of the long COVID lockdown.
Many, various pilgrims had been nattering for several years that I ought to write a book. While in Spain, I would relate stories over a few beers or wine in the evening. The stories were always well-received. In more recent years, I would jokingly tell people to wait for the book - then COVID hit.
Amazon publishing does not pay a lot per book, so I am still in the red - not having recouped the initial costs of publishing yet. But, as I did not publish my book of personal experiences to make money - I am satisfied.
My sole objective was to put these stories out there for more people to experience. Even if you have not yet done a Camino, I was hoping you might experience it through my writing. That my book found its way into this discussion ratifies that objective. Thank you for all the kind words.
Eventually, I got bored enough with the pandemic situation in early 2020 to compel myself to sit down and write one to two short stories a day. There are more than 50 stories that made the cut, and another dozen or so that I wrote but did not include.
Even now, people who know me write to tell me how they liked the book and to ask about a sequel. My answer was and remains, once COVID is over and the world returns to some semblance of normal, I plan to get out and walk more Caminos and volunteer as much as they will have me. That is how I meet people and obtain more material. You literally cannot make this stuff up. That is what makes the stories so entertaining. They are all true. Only names are changed to protect the innocent - and guilty (LOL).
BTW - and it is explained in the book - the pen name Don Thomas is actually Don Tomás. In July 2019, I had the honor to be inducted into the Archconfraternity of the Apostle Santiago. This group has existed since the Pope established it in 1499, and it is charged with promoting the Camino de Santiago and the cult of Santiago.
Members of this group are lay brethren and are conferred the honorific Don for men and Doña for women. Of course the title is of little use in a civil society that does not permit honorifics or hereditary titles, as is the case in the US. However, as soon as I check in with Iberia at Miami, the "Don" bit opens doors. It follows from there when I am in Spain.
Since the honor was conferred, I have been studying Spanish every day for at least one-hour and I keep trying to live up to the charge made to me at my induction ceremony to spread the word about the Camino de Santiago and to promote making pilgrimage. COVID did not help. But, as a pilgrim, one assesses, adapts and overcomes any challenge.
When it came time to write the book, it seemed natural to direct credit to Santiago and the Archconfraternity. I hope my actions continue to do that.
Ultreia!
Tom
Both were very enjoyable reading for me.Looking forward to checking out Don Tomás' and Rebekah Scott's books!
One off-camino Coelho was enough to dissuade me from reading anything he might write on the Camino.Paulo Coelho - THE PILGRIMAGE
I started his book a few years ago and couldn't get past the first chapter or two.One off-camino Coelho was enough to dissuade me from reading anything he might write on the Camino.
While Watching The Way I became increasingly agitated: “They stole this from that book I read a long time ago!”I understand one or the other of them remarked that this story - Off the Road - would make a good film.
Hemingway actually implies the nature of Jake Barnes injury during an early passage (in Paris, if I remember correctly). Quite liked that book, and Jack Hitt's as well.Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
'Ich bin dann mal weg' by Hape Kerkerling is not a bad story Paladina, if you've yet to encounter it.This woman would not waste precious reading time on celebrity camino accounts.
Didn't he stay in one very early in his camino, where he tried to leave during the night but got himself locked in the courtyard until dawn?Worth reading so you know what everyone is talking about.
The translation, from kilometres and euros into miles and dollars, spoilt the book for me. There are NO miles and dollars in Spain. He also criticizes albergues, but never ever stays in one.
Quite. There is a passage in 'Ich bin dann mal weg', where the author hears a German pilgrim says to another after seeing his name on the albergue register: 'Some nut has signed his name here as Hans-Peter Kerkerling!'The press? lol
I've seen a couple of her movies and such, but to be honest I don't think I'd recognize her (or any celebrity for that matter) if I saw them walking the Camino.
Yes, he did say that happened to him in the book. The book grew on me and I enjoyed it overall, but at times I found him to be too much of a whiner in it especially in regards to albergues (and his disdain for actually walking long distances). Made them out to be really terrible places to stay, which they're not. Unfortunately the uninitiated read that and believe it to be fact rather than fiction. I figured he made all that up as to convey a false impression of albergues thus giving him an excuse to stay in hotels. The real reason he didn't stay in albergues is because he just didn't want to be around other people (common folks?) in that setting.Didn't he stay in one very early in his camino, where he tried to leave during the night but got himself locked in the courtyard until dawn?
I think you were exceedingly over generous about thecJack Hitt book. It’s the worst I’ve ever read. Sneering and supercilious about some of the locals, their habits and beliefs and also some of the other pilgrims he is supposed to have met. I say supposed deliberately as there are one or two references which suggest he may not even have walked the Camino at all. Any connection between “The Way” and this shocker is possibly that they used it as an example of how not to approach things. Pity there aren’t minus ratings.Thanks Todd
Agree about Shirley Maclaine’s book but I did enjoy Jack Hitt’s book especially the bit about the mad hospitalero which I thought was too extreme in the The Way. Have just ordered Finding Santiago from Amazon. Too long away from the Camino.
I could really only find a couple things that may have been taken from the book. The most obvious one is about the mad hospitalario named Ramon. The guy was insane and you had to take a crap in his backyard.I think you were exceedingly over generous about thecJack Hitt book. It’s the worst I’ve ever read. Sneering and supercilious about some of the locals, their habits and beliefs and also some of the other pilgrims he is supposed to have met. I say supposed deliberately as there are one or two references which suggest he may not even have walked the Camino at all. Any connection between “The Way” and this shocker is possibly that they used it as an example of how not to approach things. Pity there aren’t minus ratings.
Bogong
I was really into Shirley MacLaine at the time and was interested to read her book although I did skip a few weird chapters. I enjoyed the Camino parts. I couldn't even read Paul Coelho's.This has been recommended to me several times and I finally got around to downloading it to my Kindle after reading this post. Look forward to diving in this week.
And am I the only one who doesn't hate the Shirley Maclaine book? I found the loopy woo-woo aspect to be highly entertaining (if maybe unintentionally so on her part), and thought the fact that she walked the Camino when there was much less infrastructure and resources than there are now to be quite inspiring.
* P.S.: I'm a guy.
I have read many many Camino books - this is one of the very best ...to recommend A Furnace Full of God by Rebekah Scott
@isawtman - it will become obvious if/when you read the book. This, too, is an excellent read, as is her follow-up, The Attachment, which, whilst not a Camino book per se, touches on some wonderful elements of being a human, especially within the context of Sinning Across Spain ...What kind of sins are we talking about?
That, too, is a fascinating book. Some (small) elements of it annoyed me, but I learned so much about pilgrimage, especially in the first half or so of the book. Highly recommended.Not about the Camino Frances but definitely about pilgrimage with a lot of interesting history …
“A Pilgrimage to Eternity: From Canterbury to Rome in Search of a Faith” by Timothy Egan.
I did read the Shirley Maclaine book many moons ago and agree with others that she seems to have drifted off to another planet at various stages of her Camino. I am not at all a Hemingway fan so can't comment on that one. I have 'pencilled in' the Don Thomas book to read very soon so many thanks for bringing that one to the attention of everyone on this post. I am currently reading another account of a Camino entitled 'Walking On Edge: A pilgrimage to Santiago' by Reino Gevers. I am just over halfway through it and I must say that for me it's one of the most satisfying Camino books that I've come across. It doesn't pretend to be a guide book and in any case he starts from Lourdes then walks the Camino Aragones and Norte passing through Oviedo so there's very little overlap with the C. Frances. But that doesn't matter as the main intention of the author is relating the feelings and emotions that he experiences and what he learns from these, day by day. The central 'character' is someone named 'Chuck' whom the author befriends early in the narrative. Having done the Camino(s) 'many times' Chuck is the worldly-wise font of spiritual sustenance. The book is quite liberally garnished with Chuck's 'teachings'. More than anything else it's quite a philosophical sort of read. After having completed my own Camino (Frances) from SJPDP to Finisterre in Sept/Oct 2019 I find that there's a lot of what I've so far read in Gevers' book that I can relate to.Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
Indeed it is a classic. Dick, here are two short videos for your viewing pleasure.I've mentioned this book before, and probably will again: 'As I Walked Out One Midsummer Morning' by Laurie Lee.... Lee was a young, penniless Englishman and he mainly supported himself as he walked from Vigo to Alicante by busking on a violin and the enormous generosity of ordinary Spanish people. It's a humble and poetic work, I think written as a tribute to those people who helped him.
I first heard about the camino when reading Therapy by David Lodge..... it's great, hope more people read it !Hi, I have recently read 4 camino related books and I though I would
relay my opinions about them.
The Camino by Shirley Maclaine: The Book starts out good enough but she starts having
dreams and in the later part of the book the dreams take over. It's a bunch of new aged
metaphysical gobblygook about Atlantis. One out of five stars
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway: Not a book about the Camino, but it involves
several locations on the Camino Frances. The novel follows former Soldier Jake Barnes
from nightlife in Paris to fishing in Burgette but mostly captures the San Fermin Festival
(Running of the Bulls) in Pamplona. Four out of five Stars
Off the Road by Jack Hitt: The book follows Jack's Pilgrimage from St Jean Pied de Port
to Santiago. Jack does meet up with an interesting bunch of people hiking the Camino.
Unfortunately, Jack veers off the Camino and spends some chapters on stuff that is only
barely related. Some of it is fairly gross. Jack should have learned from Hemingway
not to mention some things. For instance, Jake Barnes is a former soldier who was
injured in World War 1, but Hemingway never mentions what the injury is. I bought the
Jack Hitt book because the movie The Way is based on part of it. But I could only
find one or two scenes in the movie that may have been attributed to Hitt. Two out of Five Stars
Finding Santiago By Don Thomas: An amazing collection of stories about hiking caminos and also
volunteering at the Pilgrim's Office. There are 56 chapters and each one has a different story. Some
of the stories are funny, some are sad and others are inspirational. It's an easy book just to pick up
if you have ten minutes to spare and you want to do something. Most of the stories are just a few
pages long and the longest story is about 10 pages long. Five out of Five Stars.
Women may like the Shirley Maclaine book more than I did. But, starting at about Chapter 15 of the
book she goes full bore into the new age dreams, and when she isn't writing about the dreams she
is writing about avoiding the press.
That's all for now, Todd
thanks for the video links !!!Indeed it is a classic. Dick, here are two short videos for your viewing pleasure.
What great people ordinary Spaniards are.
yes, its great ! and don't miss his 'French Revolutions', so funnyBoth were very enjoyable reading for me.
Another book I found entertaining and humorous was "Travels with my donkey" by Tim Moore". I don't think I saw it mentioned yet on this thread.
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