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It's really confusing.My original 180 days end at the end of September, that's 6 months from March 28. Now, I want to go back. I will have been home (in the states) for over 90 days by the end of August, so my 180 days starts again, yes?
So what matters is the 180 days before your next entry, and if you have stayed more than 90 days in that period."The visa 90/180 days rule means that the Schengen zone visitor or the Schengen visa holder can travel freely within the Schengen zone for a maximum stay of up to 90 days in any half year period."
"The 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period."
Help me out here. I think I understand but would love to have someone say, yeah, that's it. Here goes: As a US citizen, I can stay in Spain (or any of the Schengen Agreement countries) for 90 days within a 180 day period. So let's say I go to Spain on March 28th and stay until May 29th (63 days). Then I go home. My original 180 days end at the end of September, that's 6 months from March 28. Now, I want to go back. I will have been home (in the states) for over 90 days by the end of August, so my 180 days starts again, yes? if I go back in the beginning of September? This is where I'm confused. If I go back within that original 180 days then am I limited to the remaining 27 days or am I starting over?
I hope this makes sense to somebody.
And yes, I said I was done with the Camino, but I guess it's not done with me. I gotta go back.
The bold part is the key. So if you left with 'time on the clock,' and wanted to go back within that 180 day period, you could, so long as you did not exceed the 90 day allowance: you can only be in the Schengen zone for 90 days in that 180-day period.Recently I spoke to a person at our Ministry of Internal Affairs and this was being said to me.
For example if you enter Schengen on Jan 1st and leave it on Jan 30th it doesn't matter how many days you are out of Schengen because you still have 60 days within those 180 days from Jan 1st.
I got confused with the first response! The calculator website is succinct: "Short-term visitors to the Schengen countries that do not need a visa and holders of multiple entry visas valid for at least six months and with 90 days of duration of stay, are not permitted to spend more than 90 days within 180 days in the territory of the Schengen Area." So if you leave January 1 you can't spend more than 90 days between January 1 and June 29 (180 days). So it seems to apply to all Schengen countries, not just Spain (Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland) Do you get a new 180-day period starting June 31?There is a calculator on the internet that might help for those that are making shorter stays. You enter all your trips and it tells you how you comply or not.
Schengen Calculator - Calculate Your Legal Short-Stay in Europe
Schengen Calculator for Visa-Free visitors and holders of multiple entry visas valid for six months and with 90 days of permitted duration of stay.www.schengenvisainfo.com
The day that your flight departs from the U.S. counts as a full day even if you don’t touch Spanish soil until the next day—because you ‘might enter Spanish airspace on your departure day.’Also, part of a day in the zone counts as a full day.
Sorry, but this cannot be possibly true. Where is that quote taken from? You get a stamp in your passport when you enter the territory of a Schengen state. The stamp shows a date. That date is the date from when the 90 days are counted. That day is included in the 90 days. That's what EU/Schengen law says.The day that your flight departs from the U.S. counts as a full day even if you don’t touch Spanish soil until the next day—because you ‘might enter Spanish airspace on your departure day.’
I have spent too many hours counting and re-counting days to ensure that I don’t overstay my welcome on each of my trips to Spain. It isn’t easy, but it is worth it!
Forget it and enjoy the fact that you now have an extra Schengen dayI found that information on a Schengen information website a few years ago, the first time the Schengen rules were in effect....I thought it was strange at the time, and I can't find it now.
Just now, looking at the Schengen Region website, it clearly states that your first day in the region is the day your passport is stamped - in the Schengen Region. Oh, well! Now I have an 'extra' day.
It's more than potentially more than uncomfortable, because they can stamp 'illegal overstay' in your passport and bar you from re-entry into the Schengen Zone for years. Much better safe than sorry.It is better to prevent any uncomfortable situation
I can see your point, but it would be a pretty heartless bureaucrat that imposed a penalty in circumstances like that.I would add that leaving the afternoon or night of the 90th day could be risky; there are flights delays or cancelled, missing connections, etc. I would not take any chances...It is better to prevent any uncomfortable situation.
I recommend that you get really good advice on this. What you write can be easily misunderstood. I had a look at the information on the website of the Consulate of Spain in Washington. What I read there only confirms what I knew already about visa requirements for the Schengen area. It all depends on your nationality:You can also just apply for a visa. As I read from the spanish embassy's website you only need to prove that you have a decent means of financial support and that you have health car coverage which includes spain. [...] I plan to stay for 90 days in 2021 and apply for a visa while I'm there.
Is there some other kind of bureaucrat other than heartless?I can see your point, but it would be a pretty heartless bureaucrat that imposed a penalty in circumstances like that.
There was a link to some help on this made very recently on another thread.You can also just apply for a [non-lucrative] visa.
I'm no longer as up to date as I used to be on this ☺ but I'm sorry to say that I severely doubt that the information in schengenvisainfo is correct on this. It is not an official EU website. Schengenvisainfo say that "an overstayed visa never goes unnoticed. The immigration authorities have registered in their databases every person that enters and leaves the Schengen, and every overstaying, even just for a day, is recorded" and that "no overstaying is left unpunished".For penalities of overstaying see
www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/consequences-of-overstaying-in-schengen-area
I doubt any modern public service operates on a classical Weberian rational-legal model. I suppose any discussion of whether the politicians in any particular country want their public servants to return to such a model would break at least one forum rule, and probably be of little interest anyhow. And, after all, it would be unfortunate to lose the comedic potential of the rigid and unbending bureaucrat!!Is there some other kind of bureaucrat other than heartless?
In my experience (both generally, and with Spain in particular) you should plan on applying for a visa before you arrive rather than while you are there. When I was applying for a visa to stay in Spain, I had to fly home to apply for the visa. Check with your local consulate before you go so you don't get to Spain and find yourself in a similar situation. Check early enough so that if you do need to apply from home, you have time for the process to complete itself before you need to start your trip. It is not necessarily a quick one.You can also just apply for a visa. As I read from the spanish embassy's website you only need to prove that you have a decent means of financial support and that you have health car coverage which includes spain. Since you aren't a citizen paying taxes technically you aren't entitled to healthcare. However, when I got very bad bronchitis along the camino in Sarria the emergency room took a copy of my passport and didn't charge me. I have heard others got very large bills. I plan to stay for 90 days in 2021 and apply for a visa while I'm there.
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