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falcon269

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Several assumptions would need to prove true for that search to yield results. There is a lot of research that says St. James never went to Spain. If he was taken to Spain after being executed, there is a lot of disagreement where he might have landed. It is generally agreed that the bones in the cathedral are not those of St. James. It is more likely that they are the remains of Priscillian, a theory that also is unproven. Searchers probably are uncertain whether the boat was stone or wood. Wood will have deteriorated in 2,000 years. Muxia claims the stone boat! It is not real close to Padron. They need Dan Brown on the job; he can weave speculation into fact.

I wish them luck. :)
 
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Please spare us Google Translate :rolleyes:. I guess it is sufficient to translate the sentence under the photo: A technician uses a ground-penetrating radar device to search for the location of the medieval wharf/pier/jetty of Padrón.

Most of the article seems to rehash the well-known Saint James' myths and legends. I've not done any Google searches right now but seem to remember that Padrón had a port or harbour in the Middle Ages and doesn't have one now? Is that correct? The Belgian city of Bruges comes to mind ...

Padron.jpeg
 
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Some background on the project in this article of 5 February 2018: http://xornalgalicia.com/localidade...ido-depositado-el-cuerpo-del-apostol-santiago

I am still a bit confused: Is the rock they are trying to locate the boat or is it the rock where the boat was anchored ...? Allegedly ... :cool:.

Also quite interesting for background: http://xacopedia.com/Barca_A . I understand now that already in the Middle Ages, the visiting pilgrims who did write a blog were not certain whether the rock was the Apostle's boat or a depository for the Apostle after arrival.
 
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KinkyOne

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Several assumptions would need to prove true for that search to yield results. There is a lot of research that says St. James never went to Spain. If he was taken to Spain after being executed, there is a lot of disagreement where he might have landed. It is generally agreed that the bones in the cathedral are not those of St. James. It is more likely that they are the remains of Priscillian, a theory that also is unproven. Searchers probably are uncertain whether the boat was stone or wood. Wood will have deteriorated in 2,000 years. Muxia claims the stone boat! It is not real close to Padron. They need Dan Brown on the job; he can weave speculation into fact.

I wish them luck. :)
If I remember correctly the mention of a stone boat was a false translation. It was just an expression for a special type of boats (very "shallow", I don't know if that's the right expression???) that were shipping stones, rocks etc. for building.
 
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Bear in mind that they are currently not trying to find something that was there in the year 44 or so when Saint James was said to have been beheaded in Jerusalem and what did or did not happen afterwards. They are looking for something that was there in the year 1400 or so when Santiago pilgrims reported about their trip to Padrón and what they believed to see there ... !

The headlines of the news articles and of this thread are catching our attention but they are misleading. :cool:

I find the real - or more like to be real - story more fascinating than the legends. An anthropomorphic rock, perhaps from a necropolis, where pilgrims chopped off pieces to take home (now that sounds somewhat familiar) so that the authorities decided to do away with it and had it thrown into the river? Wow, now that's sound interesting ...
 
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owms2323

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Several assumptions would need to prove true for that search to yield results. There is a lot of research that says St. James never went to Spain. If he was taken to Spain after being executed, there is a lot of disagreement where he might have landed. It is generally agreed that the bones in the cathedral are not those of St. James. It is more likely that they are the remains of Priscillian, a theory that also is unproven. Searchers probably are uncertain whether the boat was stone or wood. Wood will have deteriorated in 2,000 years. Muxia claims the stone boat! It is not real close to Padron. They need Dan Brown on the job; he can weave speculation into fact.

I wish them luck. :)
or he can weave speculation into a good story!
 

Kanga

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This legend of the stone boat seems not restricted to St James. In Sanabria there is a stone boat up beside the castle. The legend is that Jesus visited Sanabria, dressed as a pilgrim. He asked for food but no-one would give him any, except for some kind women in the bakery. In anger, he struck the ground with his staff, and water gushed out, forming Lake Sanabria. Everyone drowned, except the women from the bakery who climbed into a stone boat, which was pushed by the river up to the high point beside the castle. Here it is:


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Tincatinker

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If I remember correctly the mention of a stone boat was a false translation. It was just an expression for a special type of boats (very "shallow", I don't know if that's the right expression???) that were shipping stones, rocks etc. for building.
There is another variation on that transliteration. A 'stone' boat being a boat in Ballast, ie without cargo. Many prehistoric and early shipwrecks can be identified from the pile of 'alien' rock sitting on the seabed a long way from home. Such a boat, without prospect of trade or profit from a voyage was something only the very high status individual could afford to hire.
 

KinkyOne

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There is another variation on that transliteration. A 'stone' boat being a boat in Ballast, ie without cargo. Many prehistoric and early shipwrecks can be identified from the pile of 'alien' rock sitting on the seabed a long way from home. Such a boat, without prospect of trade or profit from a voyage was something only the very high status individual could afford to hire.
I don't know if I entirely and correctly understood your explanation but that much I do know that in any era any transportation mean wasn't "without cargo" in one direction. Some goods went one way and some were transported back to the original destination (or any other).
 
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Muxia claims the stone boat! It is not real close to Padron.
Let's not get our stone boats mixed up. The one in Muxia is Saint Mary's stone boat, not Saint James'. She arrived in it to assist Saint James with the evangelisation of Spain. That's one version. I have a report from an Austrian pilgrim who visited Santiago and also Muxia in 1654 and he reports that the image or statue of Mary and the child that he saw in the church "arrived across the sea in a stone boat". And that's why the church is call Our lady of the boat.
 

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Thank you for the post...Indeed Dan Brown is needed here to make sense of much of these myths.
 

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