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and how will this affect pilgrims from Canada and the getting a certificate ?Spain rolls out the European Union’s Digital Covid Certificate system
The country is now one of eight that has started to issue and accept the QR codes, which allow travelers freedom of movement across the bloc with no need to show coronavirus tests nor quarantine if they meet the required criteriaenglish.elpais.com
That is my question as well. Is there a form we can fill out and have notarized or something from Canada?and how will this affect pilgrims from Canada and the getting a certificate ?
I expect that Canada will work something out in due course. Our first doses of vaccine have been rolled out well, the second doses are now getting started, and before long, the records will be sorted out.and how will this affect pilgrims from Canada and the getting a certificate ?
OMG.... lol..... they should talk to my 87 year young mom. lol"In Andalusia, the over-65s will receive a physical copy delivered to their homes, given that they “are not accustomed to the digital routes,” according to regional premier Juan Manuel Moreno."
Exactly. I'm 74 and insulted.OMG.... lol..... they should talk to my 87 year young mom. lol
Or my 90 year old mother, who finds great deals online for cruises and other trips, and was the first person I know to ever use Airbnb!OMG.... lol..... they should talk to my 87 year young mom. lol
Spain rolls out the European Union’s Digital Covid Certificate system
The country is now one of eight that has started to issue and accept the QR codes, which allow travelers freedom of movement across the bloc with no need to show coronavirus tests nor quarantine if they meet the required criteriaenglish.elpais.com
I héar a lot about the eu certificate but how do I get one. I am an EU citizen, fully vaccinated but living just outside the bloc but no_one ever talks about the tens of thousands like me. Many live in Britain and many like me live in the North of Ireland and we seem to be forgotten aboutSpain rolls out the European Union’s Digital Covid Certificate system
The country is now one of eight that has started to issue and accept the QR codes, which allow travelers freedom of movement across the bloc with no need to show coronavirus tests nor quarantine if they meet the required criteriaenglish.elpais.com
The rollout this week for the "typical" majority is good news and a big accomplishment. I think the rest of us need to be a bit patient.we seem to be forgotten about
The EU certificate is not linked to your nationality.I am an EU citizen, fully vaccinated but living just outside the bloc
I expect that Canada will work something out in due course. Our first doses of vaccine have been rolled out well, the second doses are now getting started, and before long, the records will be sorted out.
As I got my Covid certificate today, this is moving much faster than i hoped/believed. The opening of Spain, being the epicentre of our interest (us being able to walk the Caminos again), is certainly good news, and it brings hope of a speedy reopening.The rollout this week for the "typical" majority is good news and a big accomplishment. I think the rest of us need to be a bit patient.
I expect that Canada will work something out in due course. Our first doses of vaccine have been rolled out well, the second doses are now getting started, and before long, the records will be sorted out.
I am not concerned. It will happen. We are not a totally disfunctional country!So if Canada does not have a national system,
We all have complaints about our countries' bureaucracies. I have complete faith that things will get worked out.f anyone can fumble the technicalities, it's Health Canada... and I have *zero* faith in their *capacity
See my edit for my reasoning on zero faith.I am not concerned. It will happen. We are not a totally disfunctional country!
We all have complaints about our countries' bureaucracies. I have complete faith that things will get worked out.
Of course, it would be nice to have a governmental pass of some kind. But, I am not sure if it is not in place by the time someone who has completed the shots wants to goto Spain that they would have a problem as long as the appropriate information is on the card……Name,, DOB, type of vaccine administered for both shots, dates of service. and where it was administered I believe. That is all we have from USA and folks are being admitted. So if Canada does not have a national system, logically, my sense would be you could go withyour vaccination card.
So sounds like there is plenty of dysfunction internationally! I do hope Canada can get it together, Faye, but even if Canada does not get nationall pass in place, You might go to your local doctor and in your case get a formal letter certifying your vaccines.I hope you are correct. My first dose is recorded on a rapidly fading fax printout, no bigger than a grocery receipt. My second dose *was* scheduled for end of July, but now I'm supposed to be all done before the end of June. My son has had his second dose (priority for disability health reasons), and he has no record other than his little fax ticket.
We have no e-records in Ontario (tried for 20 years as policy initiative, but failed thus far to herd those cats).
Of course we have photographed out receipts, but I full expect to be told that these flimsy records are insufficient... Hoping merely that my EU passport can get me to Spain in January.
Am presently working out with my work-based health insurance company to find me a suite of clinics where I can have several months of immunological injections given while I am (we hope) living for a time in Galicia. That I can get an obscure hybridized protein injection secured in a distant country more easily than I can get a record of *anything* at home is just a smidge absurd... and wearying.
But... if anyone can fumble the technicalities, it's Health Canada. In my capacity as a medical anthropologist, I do consulting work for both PHAC and Health Canada... and I have *zero* faith in their *capacity* to go Digital for these records.... especially as our PM has said that a digital certificate or QR system is neither a priority, nor a simple matter to coordinate (because each province manages its own data and its own delivery protocols).
True... and I also hope that Camino walkers will not exploit financial need of the destination to impose themselves as a convenient if morally opportunistic stance.Remember, countries, especially in southern Europe, are very depentant on people (tourists/pilgrims) returning soon. They cannot afford to lose another year of that income.
Greece, for example, had 18 billion Euros in tourist income in 2019. In 2020, it was only 4 billion Euros. They will go down fast as a safe society if borders are not opened soon.
Relax; all will be well soon. Great progress has been made so far.
My 92-year-old father is doing the virtual Camino for Good with me on his iPad!Or my 90 year old mother, who finds great deals online for cruises and other trips, and was the first person I know to ever use Airbnb!
News today in Norway says the the Indian variant is a peace of cake for Pfizer, at least (Of which I have had 2 shots).I'd like to see more solid data on the vaccines to deal with Delta.
My husband received an email receipt from the Ministry of health in Ontario after he got his second dose.I hope you are correct. My first dose is recorded on a rapidly fading fax printout, no bigger than a grocery receipt. My second dose *was* scheduled for end of July, but now I'm supposed to be all done before the end of June. My son has had his second dose (priority for disability health reasons), and he has no record other than his little fax ticket.
We have no e-records in Ontario (tried for 20 years as policy initiative, but failed thus far to herd those cats).
Of course we have photographed out receipts, but I full expect to be told that these flimsy records are insufficient... Hoping merely that my EU passport can get me to Spain in January.
Am presently working out with my work-based health insurance company to find me a suite of clinics where I can have several months of immunological injections given while I am (we hope) living for a time in Galicia. That I can get an obscure hybridized protein injection secured in a distant country more easily than I can get a record of *anything* at home is just a smidge absurd... and wearying.
But... if anyone can fumble the technicalities, it's Health Canada. In my capacity as a medical anthropologist, I do consulting work for both PHAC and Health Canada... and I have *zero* faith in their *capacity* to go Digital for these records.... especially as our PM has said that a digital certificate or QR system is neither a priority, nor a simple matter to coordinate (because each province manages its own data and its own delivery protocols).
We have that as well, even for first shots. But there is no easy way to verify its provenance for the purpose of crossing borders.My husband received an email receipt from the Ministry of health in Ontario after he got his second dose.
We hope so, absolutely. And I hope that the world becomes comfortable with the idea of annual boosters, and with the idea that "positive case" is not equal to "expression of disease".... I think by the end of July we will be closer to those points, conceptually. For now, countries are reasonable to worry that an R-6 spread -- especially when 40% of the home population is refusing vaccination and plenty of "holidaymakers" (see the Portugal story yesterday with people rising home purposely to avoid quarantine) avoiding quarantine -- could be enormously problematic.News today in Norway says the the Indian variant is a peace of cake for Pfizer, at least (Of which I have had 2 shots).
Nor UK politics please.This was a thread about the new EU digital system. Let's not go further with Canadian politics.
This is a simple request to the forum.
The recent news of the situation with UK holidaymakers in Portugal was NOT their fault. They were doing what the majority of this forum wants...a return to foreign travel and were doing what every member of this forum does....having a bit of family R&R.
They complied with every requirement that was asked by both the UK government and their host country.
They did so in good faith.
I would request, which has been noticable by its;absence, that any criticism is restricted to your own country and not to others....
The change (by the UK government) whilst many families were on a much needed holiday was not their fault and was unseen. It should not be treated with any schadenfreude.
Edit: I should add that they were giving a much needed boost, economically, to a fellow European country.
I give up Faye.Or maybe it would do everyone well to remember that cheap holidays always come at some expense to someone. Cheap flights. Cheap hotels. The UK government did not want to be left holding a very expensive tab for some people's decisions.
We are all clamouring all over the world to race off in all directions, and while tourism industries everywhere rely on that travel, there is something of a cynical exploitation of the need that comes off as "Too bad for them. They need my dollars, what few I will deign to part with for my own enjoyment and convenience." The problem is not specific to the UK. It is human self-centredness on full display from all quarters.
We *KNOW* there is an unpredictable pandemic. We know that there are likely to be about 6-7 waves before such things really calm down. We *MIGHT* have a chance to make it 4-5 waves (some have already had a 4th). We *KNOW* that borders on maps do not reflect concrete boundaries on viruses.
If we cannot take time to self-quarantine on return home, then perhaps we ought to holiday at home. Unless we think ourselves more precious than our neighbours, colleagues, and so on.
Travel is too cheap now, and the world has been spoiled by it. Environments trammelled... the large cities of Europe uninhabitable by the locals priced out before the pandemic by cruise ships and Air-B-N-B.
All I'm getting at is that it's worth taking a pause to examine what we are really due because we have the means to pay the discounted prices.
And matters of bureaucratic decision-making and policy implementations are not "politics" (at least not in the sense that the forum intends).
We ought all to assume that in very uncertain times that bureaucracies may have extreme challenges rolling out agreed-upon certificates for things like vaccine passports. And it makes no sense to depart from home assuming that the travel freedoms and restrictions in place will remain in place. Everything is in flux. Some of us can afford to travel when things are in flux. I am not among those who could afford to make assumptions, or skirt rules... Those who can ought not complain if/when having placed their bets they have to pony up.
Biologically speaking, I do not disagree. In terms of personal responsibility, I do not disagree.Faye, I am confident, from what we currently know, that right now, a fully vaccinated traveler with an WHO approved vaccine can go to Europe safely, if they also follow CDC guidelines. The best way to prevent infection is to to use effective precautions like N95 masks (which we can get now), distance, washing hands frequently and proper ventilation. If we do this as vaccinated indviduals we should be safe even from the Delta Virus. Right now its a go for me in September.
OK.I give up Faye.
Manitoba announced today a QR code immunization card that initially will be used for travel inside Canada. Holders of the card will not need to isolate. It sounds like the EU and CDC cards. My wife and I hope to be in Spain in September!and how will this affect pilgrims from Canada and the getting a certificate ?
In BC, Canada, we get a card where the dates of the 1st and second vaccines, along with the type of vaccine and lot number is written. BC also has a website where you can register your vaccination and it can easily be pulled up on your smartphone.I expect that Canada will work something out in due course. Our first doses of vaccine have been rolled out well, the second doses are now getting started, and before long, the records will be sorted out.
Is that your personal QR code? I'm not sure if it's a good idea to post it here.
I agree. You might want to delete that Post @bergmannfamily??Is that your personal QR code? I'm not sure if it's a good idea to post it here.
Just for information: When you post a QR code without blanking out some pixels, everyone with a QR reader can read it. The QR code above, for example, is a link that points to the Login webpage where one enters email and password to view a Monitoba Immunization Card/Fiche d'immunisation.
There is nothing personal in the QR code that @bergmannfamily posted. It is a link to a website where you sees two empty boxes for entering email and password. Nothing to get excited about.Is that your personal QR code? I'm not sure if it's a good idea to post it here.
Rephrase — delighted that the process has begun, and that some people are receiving certificates (now, I forget is Norway actually an EU country? … I can never remember in Scandinavia because many are not on the euro anyway)… and living where I do for now, I don’t keep track.@Faye Walker, all that we EU Europeans know at this point in time is that some people in some EU countries have been issued with their EU vaccination certificates. Wait until 1 July when all the millions who have been vaccinated to date have a right to request their EU vaccination certificate. We know already that some EU countries have insisted on putting a grace period of 6 weeks into the legislation because their systems will not be ready in time. And those with highly decentralised public health systems that are not fully digitalised at all levels are also struggling.
It's complicated. In this case, non-EU countries Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland must join the EU vaccination certificate system and develop appropriate IT infrastructure, while EU countries Denmark and Ireland can do so if they want and if they declare that they will. They did, btw.Rephrase — delighted that the process has begun, and that some people are receiving certificates (now, I forget is Norway actually an EU country? … I can never remember in Scandinavia because many are not on the euro anyway)… and living where I do for now, I don’t keep track.
They didnt....Southern Ireland (Eire) might have done. Northern Ireland isn't part of the EU.It's complicated. In this case, non-EU countries Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland must join the EU vaccination certificate system and develop appropriate IT infrastructure, while EU countries Denmark and Ireland can do so if they want and if they declare that they will. They did, btw.
If you are replying to my post I think you are muddling up the two.Discussing and criticising the reasons why the Johnson administration put Portugal on their green list and removed it from their green list and put it in their amber list would be a political discussion. Merely stating the fact isn't.Talking about how travellers react to such decisions is not a political discussion either.
Just like discussing and criticising the reasons why the Sanchez administration allows certain categories of leisure travellers into Spain, without coordination with other EU countries, would be a political discussion. Merely stating the fact isn't. Talking about how travellers react to such decisions is not a political discussion either.
Neither of this has much if anything to do with the fact that EU digital Covid certificates are being rolled out and that some EU Europeans are already holding them in their hands or have already stored them on their smartphones. Canadians and Britons will not be issued with EU vaccination certificates.
From Spain's point of view, btw, vaccinated Canadians are no longer barred from entry into Spain. They can travel to Spain without an obligation for negative Covid tests or self-isolation. Under the same conditions as vaccinated Americans.
This is good news.Spain rolls out the European Union’s Digital Covid Certificate system
The country is now one of eight that has started to issue and accept the QR codes, which allow travelers freedom of movement across the bloc with no need to show coronavirus tests nor quarantine if they meet the required criteriaenglish.elpais.com
" I didn't need to mention the story of Portuguese tourists in this thread or in another thread"We had forum members mention the specific and recent situations of German tourists on Mallorca, of French tourists in Madrid, and now of British tourists in Portugal. The latter story as an example for the warning: Prepare to deal with the consequences when you travel abroad right now while the situation is volatile everywhere.
I didn't feel a need to mention the story of Portugal tourists in this thread or in another thread. Nor do I need to hear the warning to consider all potential consequences of my travel plans, but this very recent story is a pertinent reference and example to share. It is helpful to hear for many around the globe who are less familiar with current situations in the various European countries than I am. They may mistake the "opening" of countries and the lifting of public health related restrictions as an an "all clear" signal and an invitation to travel to Europe imminently.
The rollout of the EU Digital Covid certificate system is happening precisely because the public health situation is volatile everywhere in Europe this summer. The EU law that goes with it has a sunshine clause: it will expire on 30 June 2022.
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