Suseya or Suseia??

Brendan@ProjectCamino · Feb 2, 2018

Hi all,

Does anyone know what the correct spelling is??

Suseya or Suseia??

I have read it spelled both ways, so was hoping someone could help clear this up.

Also, does anyone know where in Santiago this picture was taken??

Thanks,

Brendan.

Kaiur · Feb 2, 2018

https://www.ultreyatours.com/blog/the-meaning-of-ultreya-suseya-santiago-de-compostela/

I personally think that the correct way to write it now would be Ultreia et Suseia

Pelegrin · Feb 2, 2018

I am not sure but in Spanish the pronunciation is different and Suseia would be the right one because Suseya sounds similar to Susella .

Kaiur · Feb 2, 2018

And that picture is fake, here the original (Bayeux, Normandie)

http://a136.idata.over-blog.com/3/19/10/25/Normandy-2/240-Fresco--Notre-Dame-Cathedral--Bayeux.JPG

https://flic.kr/p/7ZC58S

Brendan@ProjectCamino · Feb 2, 2018

Kaiur said:
And that picture is fake, here the original (Bayeux, Normandie)

http://a136.idata.over-blog.com/3/19/10/25/Normandy-2/240-Fresco--Notre-Dame-Cathedral--Bayeux.JPG

https://flic.kr/p/7ZC58S

Thanks for the information and head sup, much appreciated!

Kathar1na · Feb 2, 2018

Kaiur said:
And that picture is fake, here the original (Bayeux, Normandie)
http://a136.idata.over-blog.com/3/19/10/25/Normandy-2/240-Fresco--Notre-Dame-Cathedral--Bayeux.JPG
https://flic.kr/p/7ZC58S

Well done!!! How did you find this? Google images did not come up with anything for me.

Kaiur · Feb 2, 2018

Kathar1na said:
Well done!!! How did you find this? Google images did not come up with anything for me.

Good luck mostly

Purky · Feb 2, 2018

Kathar1na said:
How did you find this? Google images did not come up with anything for me.

Probably by using Tineye reverse image search. That is how I sometimes search for info: upload an image on Tineye and hopefully it will come up with enough alternatives/information to figure out what is what.

Kathar1na · Feb 2, 2018

Purky said:
Tineye reverse image search

Bingo, they had it plus another doctored image of the original Bayeux fresco, it seems. Many many thanks, I didn't know about the Tineye site. I'm always keen on stuff that leads me back to the source.

Deleted member 3000 · Feb 2, 2018

Xunta or junta?

nycwalking · Feb 2, 2018

falcon269 said:
Xunta or junta?

Both: xunta is a Galician word, junta Spanish.

Kaiur · Feb 2, 2018

falcon269 said:
Xunta or junta?

"Xunta" (Galician language), "Junta" (spanish).

The pronunciation is different. Referring the galician government, normally is said "Xunta" even in spanish

Kathar1na · Feb 2, 2018

falcon269 said:
Xunta or junta?

I'm not a native English speaker - we are talking about spelling in an English language context here, right? - but I thought the answer is obvious: in English, it's Xunta (de Galicia) and all the others are juntas.

HaraldS · Feb 2, 2018

The correct spelling is "suseia", see https://la.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Dum_pater_familias

Kathar1na · Feb 2, 2018

HaraldS said:
the correct spelling

More seriously, it's like asking whether you spell a similar call in English like "heya" or "hey ya". Neither ultreia nur suseia are a word in any known language, and contrary to what one often reads, it's not even certain that it comes from Latin.

Deleted member 3000 · Feb 2, 2018

Kathar1na said:
More seriously, it's like asking whether you spell a similar call in English like "heya" or "hey ya". Neither ultreia nur suseia are a word in any known language, and contrary to what one often reads, it's not even certain that it comes from Latin.

Irony may be dead in the Forum ...

Pelegrin · Feb 2, 2018

Kathar1na said:
I'm not a native English speaker - we are talking about spelling in an English language context here, right? - but I thought the answer is obvious: in English, it's Xunta (de Galicia) and all the others are juntas.

Yes, if you say Junta can be Andalucia, Extremadura, Castilla León and Castilla-La Mancha but not Galicia that is Xunta.

Kaiur · Feb 2, 2018

Kathar1na said:
..., it's not even certain that it comes from Latin.

Interensting.......from where or what could derive?

Deleted member 3000 · Feb 2, 2018

Ultreia or ultreya!

Kaiur · Feb 2, 2018

falcon269 said:
Ultreia or ultreya!

Or Ultrella, Ultreja, Ultretja, UltreÏa....

Kathar1na · Feb 2, 2018

falcon269 said:
Irony may be dead in the Forum ...

I did put a big smilie at the end of my reply.

Plus, I did actually get curious about it but that's just because I know from a previous life that it can be very important to native speaker minorities how certain names, words, place names are written/expressed in dominant languages. In this context, I once had to work through a whole night because I had no inkling beforehand of the amount of work waiting for me - and it did actually involve Spain. Maybe I've not yet shaken off this trauma .

nycwalking · Feb 3, 2018

falcon269 said:
Irony may be dead in the Forum ...

And, that's ironic.

tpmchugh · Feb 3, 2018

Brendan@ProjectCamino said:
Hi all,

Does anyone know what the correct spelling is??

Suseya or Suseia??

I have read it spelled both ways, so was hoping someone could help clear this up.

Also, does anyone know where in Santiago this picture was taken??

View attachment 39110

Thanks,

Brendan.

Have seen both words spelt differently so guess either spelling is fine ie ultreia e suseia Who knows

HaraldS · Feb 4, 2018

Brendan@ProjectCamino said:
Does anyone know what the correct spelling is?? Suseya or Suseia?? I have read it spelled both ways, so was hoping someone could help clear this up.

My first answer ("The correct spelling is "suseia"") wasn't complete, as I found out. There is no single spelling, but three different ones in the Codex Calixtinus (from ca.1140), where the words are originally taken from:

in book 1, chapter 26 it's suseia, ultreia
in the appendix 1 within the hymnus "Ad honorem regis summi it's E ultreia esus eia
in the appendix 2 within the chant "Dum pater familias" it's E ultreia, e suseia

So it's up to you which spelling you choose. The spelling with y instead of i is obviously a spanish variant.

Harald

Kathar1na · Feb 4, 2018

HaraldS said:
three different ones in the Codex Calixtinus [...]

in book 1, chapter 26 it's suseia, ultreia

in the appendix 1 within the hymnus "Ad honorem regis summi it's E ultreia esus eia

in the appendix 2 within the chant "Dum pater familias" it's E ultreia, e suseia

Thanks, this is the first time that I see a direct reference to this second text position in the codex, ie the Ad honorem hymn! And I now see that it says "e ultreia esus eia decantemus iugiter" in the text of this hymn ... "e ultreia esus eia we sing forever". Makes me wonder whether the expression has any more significance than say "eia popeia" (I'm sure you'll get this, @HaraldS ).

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