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Everybody from every part of the world write these things in english, so I don't think it's right to blame . Please let this thread die in silence.
Sure there has always been such along the Camino but today 85% is all inEnglish
Agreed.Moderators!!! Why has this inflammatory post not been deleted?
Because it is unnecessarily offensive and prejudice. If you want to discourage graffiti, say so. There is no need to single out one of the many English speaking nationalities.I don't know.
I sort of agree with Scruffy.
And why would you delete the thread????
Because it is unnecessarily offensive and prejudice. If you want to discourage graffiti, say so. There is no need to single out one of the many English speaking nationalities.
That is too funny. I've never seen a nation as Spain so cursed with graffiti on every available surface. You attribute the curse of it to the wrong people; its done for the locals by the locals.
Because it is unnecessarily offensive and prejudice. If you want to discourage graffiti, say so. There is no need to single out one of the many English speaking nationalities.
OMG Annie! Seriously? We all know that the biggest PITA are the Spanish themselves... they think they own the place! (I have participated in this thread as only to add ironic humor. I love all peregrinos, like minded individuals, can't we all just get along?)
I don't know what PITA is, and I love everybody too.
My daughter refers to graffiti as modern cave art ... it is a cultural thing ... and all cultures have at least some examples of it ... I think we really just need to try and embrace it for what it is ... art as a form of cultural expression .... anyway I really enjoyed reading most of it along the way. The only stuff that didn't go down so well were the political messages of a local nature that were written in english ... it just doesn't makes sense ... and was ugly .... but most of it was kind of cooland as I said, I rather enjoyed it ... I found most graffiti to be interesting, fun and usually creative.
No, YOUR art hangs on your wall where I can't see it. Really good art is on display and graffiti is very much a cultural thing. Every single culture that has ever existed has some form or graffiti style art ... a hand on a cave wall a name on an underpass ... they all say "I was here. I existed." people flock to caves to see the hand .. in a thousand years they might do the same in the underpasses of the world.
Ok, well, if we are to discuss the actual issue I must confess, I actually enjoy reading the grafitti in the underpasses, on the stop signs, on the occasional bench on the side of the trail. Its not like the stuff I see here in LA where turf is being claimed and lives threatened, usually its kind of uplifting... like "Don't Stop" or "I love Maria." , or poems even. Yes they are in English - at least the ones I can read. On the way into Santiago there is that whole "Imagine" thread written everywhere about the John Lennon song... Markers don't bother as much as spray cans. Much more of that observed on the cab ride from MAD to Atocha then on the path itself.
I agree, I enjoy reading most of the graffiti along the way, most of it is entertaining and some is even thought provoking. The only graffiti that makes me angry, or maybe sad, are the swastikas, and some other related graffiti. When I see that I feel sorry for any of our Jewish brothers and sisters who see it, and also our fellow German pilgrims who don't need that thrown up in their faces.
well to quote the usual NZ English "graffiti SUXs!". DON'T leave your TAG anywhere!Whenever I write graffiti I write it in English, the kind from New Zealand, because they are the coolest people I've met on the Camino so far.
Scruffy
You started a conversation that in my opinion none of us can change, unless we want to start scrubbing walls on the walk. This really is a Spanish issue, just as the graffiti on the rail cars is a French issue in Paris. It is aggravating to walk past 12th century buildings with graffiti, but unless they are caught in the act nothing will change. It is frustrating but as old men all we can do is complain over a beer, or forum.
Bovine poo. Until you can prove who actually did it, you must condem all or none. I saw far more graffiti in Spanish during my walk this past spring than I did in English, and I never saw anyone who was doing it, or admitted to doing it.I agree it's done by all nationalities - but I can only condemn my own countrymen and women!
She wrote a bookful of it.I heard Shirley MacLaine wrote graffiti at a bull fight that advertised a bag forwarding service.
One of the pillars of Buddhism is the impermanence of all things - which i hopefully applies to anything that may be spray painted or otherwise "tagged" along the camino path. The two syllables, padme - meaning lotus, symbolize wisdom which demonstrates that whoever "marks" their passing in such a manner is lacking in that quality.The graffiti that had me scratching my head was "Om mani padme hum" a Buddhist mantra. How does practicing at least buddhist méditation if not buddhism itself equate with destroying property by writing it on walls, posts, etc.?
Really? The ones I really enjoy are the Spanish political ones. A great one of Mafalda in Deba for example, and also one on the CF somewhere appologizing to pilgrims for the détours they have to make through ugly areas. This was is on a highway pilar.
Agreed.
Agree!Its not Martin Sheens movie, its his son Emilio Esteves movie, he wrote is and produced it. Get your fact right. There are a lot of English speaking people walking the camino. What makes you think its Americans leaving graffiti, did you stop ask them! I'm a American the only thing I leave behind is foot prints and I try to leave damn few of thoses. Buem Camino
Why put all the blame on the Spanish youth? (My comment being a grandmother of 4 'youths', plus a younger boy)! That's not fair!. I just assumed it was being done by the Spanish youth who know English ..
Paul Simon once said that “ . . . the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls / and the tenement halls . . .”. I have myself recently seen the future writ large upon my own sidewalk.
Due to the recent construction of four megaboxes bracketing my own home in Point Grey, the sidewalk became so damaged as to require repair. The freshly poured cement naturally attracted graffitisti with popsicle sticks, determined to immortalize themselves. How few real opportunities there are these days for a writer to have his or her work literally graven in stone! Inevitably, one of these was an ardent young swain who wished to proclaim his undying love to the ages. His chilling masterpiece of . . . er . . . concrete poetry is located right at the foot of my walkway, where I must look at it every time I leave my home. It consists of a large heart, within which are inscribed the words:
TOOD + JANEY
Now, I don’t know about you, but I decline to believe that even in this day and age, any set of parents elected to name their son ‘Tood’. I am therefore forced to conclude that young Todd is unable to spell his own goddam name . . . despite having reached an age sufficiently advanced for him to find young Janey intriguing. As I make my living from literacy, I find this sign of the times demoralizing.
--Spider Robinson, from ‘User Friendly’, Baen Books, 1998.
(W)e are also witnessing a prolification of English grafitti trashing the Camino where ever you look. Sure there has always been such along the Camino but today 85% is all inEnglish, Please, bretheren, leave your markers at home, there is far too much English scribbled everywhere now, do nçt need anymore!
Edited by moderator to remove offensive references to a particular nationality
I started at the top to see what all you had to moderate. I have an idea for everyone, in the army to reduce fighting along racial lines we simply all became "green" so my suggestion is to use "alien" until of course we discover there are aliensPlease, if you find a post offensive, push the "report" button - that gets our attention.
I have done my best to clean up the thread but, like graffiti, it is hard to fix. My apologies to all of you for editing your messages but I did not want to eliminate everything.
Slurs on a particular nationality or racial group are just not acceptable.
(W)e are also witnessing a prolification of English grafitti trashing the Camino where ever you look. Sure there has always been such along the Camino but today 85% is all inEnglish, Please, bretheren, leave your markers at home, there is far too much English scribbled everywhere now
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