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3. It has to be cheap.
The reason I have for this is that it will only be used for, what, 35 days max? And in Santiago could be given to a homeless person. Also, if it is is damaged, lost, stolen – who cares if it is cheap?
Me too, Don! But some folks may not be as well funded as you and I for guest houses/hotels. We may have to wait longer than the camping community who may prefer to deal with those inconveniences rather than waiting for things to improve for indoor sleeping arrangements.I personally want to provide support to the life in the villages where I stay and relish the regional dining.
I understand where you are coming from.A toast:
here's to many more grumbles about excess baggage in the months to come as I am slowly losing the will to live...
Hi – I have been thinking about tents for Camino - idle thoughts
Now, I don’t want to get into the rights or wrongs nor the legalities or illegalities, would rather leave that out for this thread … but, when the Camino does open again I do think that there will be more tenting pilgrims. I will certainly be packing one onto my first aid trailer.
So – to me there are a few main requirements - I would be interested to hear other views
1. It has to be light – for obvious reasons really.
2. It will be a dome or pop-up tent as it has to be free-standing, that it will stand up without pegging down.
There are many refugios with concrete/wooden verandahs, porches outside churches with stone floors. There are countless businesses along the way with car parks that close early evening and don’t open again until 8 or 9 the next day. There are tarmac Pelota squares in many villages ...
Again – this is not about the legality, but thinking about it, not camping on farmland could be a much better way forward. And something like a dome tent doesn’t have to be pegged unless there is a strong wind.
3. It has to be cheap.
The reason I have for this is that it will only be used for, what, 35 days max? And in Santiago could be given to a homeless person. Also, if it is is damaged, lost, stolen – who cares if it is cheap?
4. As it has to be both cheap and light I think that a single skin tent would do – if it gets a little cold and this causes condensation for a few nights .. is that important?
5. It will be small (to be light) but has to be big enough to keep footwear and pack inside.
And that is it really
Oh, 6. It should be blue with yellow waymarker signs spray-stencilled onto it.
I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think anyone has to spend a fortune on a tent with all gizzmos and super strong Himalayan waterproofing and maybe half a kilo, a pound, lighter – but can one can budget this? And how light is ‘light’?
It is not really the cost of the tent but the cost of camping. It would be a great way for the Spanish to open up the Camino again to provide abolition blocks and a place to pitch a tentHi – I have been thinking about tents for Camino - idle thoughts
Now, I don’t want to get into the rights or wrongs nor the legalities or illegalities, would rather leave that out for this thread … but, when the Camino does open again I do think that there will be more tenting pilgrims. I will certainly be packing one onto my first aid trailer.
So – to me there are a few main requirements - I would be interested to hear other views
1. It has to be light – for obvious reasons really.
2. It will be a dome or pop-up tent as it has to be free-standing, that it will stand up without pegging down.
There are many refugios with concrete/wooden verandahs, porches outside churches with stone floors. There are countless businesses along the way with car parks that close early evening and don’t open again until 8 or 9 the next day. There are tarmac Pelota squares in many villages ...
Again – this is not about the legality, but thinking about it, not camping on farmland could be a much better way forward. And something like a dome tent doesn’t have to be pegged unless there is a strong wind.
3. It has to be cheap.
The reason I have for this is that it will only be used for, what, 35 days max? And in Santiago could be given to a homeless person. Also, if it is is damaged, lost, stolen – who cares if it is cheap?
4. As it has to be both cheap and light I think that a single skin tent would do – if it gets a little cold and this causes condensation for a few nights .. is that important?
5. It will be small (to be light) but has to be big enough to keep footwear and pack inside.
And that is it really
Oh, 6. It should be blue with yellow waymarker signs spray-stencilled onto it.
I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think anyone has to spend a fortune on a tent with all gizzmos and super strong Himalayan waterproofing and maybe half a kilo, a pound, lighter – but can one can budget this? And how light is ‘light’?
Hang on! Borrow a dog!! No one will go near a tent with a dog inside. There is a Camino plan for you - dog hire!!
Alcohol stoves work well - if you don't fancy making one Trangia do a mini version like THISGood point re a bike, Rebekkah - I missed that one!
my view
1. I think it is the dorms that will be the main problem .. all snugged in, someone closes the window - a possibly fearful environment ... without thinking about it I had assumed that the facilities would be there to use. Camping Apostol at Puente la Reina - the one with the pool and separate campsite - always seem to have tents in their garden and they use all the facilities.
2. Yes, agree with that too ... and there is the isolation too .. Camino is community after all .... if you carried one of the small espresso coffee makers
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and a tiny stove - like this one, uses meths
... there could be the dawn hit! I have never used one though and would be wary where I lit something like that, especially in summer.
3. I agree, being alone is a problem - higher risk for females but still potentially dodgy for males .. any solos .. predators abound as we know, especially after the bars close. A female friend of mine lives on a canal boat alone and has always been nervous. She cycles so I suggested that she bought a 2ndhand men's bike and kept that next to hers as predator would assume two people on board, one male - she feels better now - won't work on Camino of course.
I really don't know the answer ... if tenting does become more popular could a buddy system be started? some Camino app? Or is that silly?
Re washing away from a refugio - I have found that a slightly soapy flannel and then a rinsed flannel easily takes care of that - a wipe all over and then the three areas that have scent glands .. have done it sitting down inside a tent quite a few times .. Now, I haven't had long hair since the 60's but my memory is that if you don't ewash long hair but give it a really good brush every day the body produces oils and keeps it really healthy ... oh dear, those days long gone.
Hang on! Borrow a dog!! No one will go near a tent with a dog inside. There is a Camino plan for you - dog hire!!
I tried to visit you once, some years ago, but couldn't find you (my bad) - do you have land at your refugio? Or a barn? and do you ever have tenters asking to stay? If so has that been a problem at all? Would be great to get a veteran first-hand epxerience.
Could this work? only 1.61 lbs. Including the mat.Hi – I have been thinking about tents for Camino - idle thoughts
Now, I don’t want to get into the rights or wrongs nor the legalities or illegalities, would rather leave that out for this thread … but, when the Camino does open again I do think that there will be more tenting pilgrims. I will certainly be packing one onto my first aid trailer.
So – to me there are a few main requirements - I would be interested to hear other views
1. It has to be light – for obvious reasons really.
2. It will be a dome or pop-up tent as it has to be free-standing, that it will stand up without pegging down.
There are many refugios with concrete/wooden verandahs, porches outside churches with stone floors. There are countless businesses along the way with car parks that close early evening and don’t open again until 8 or 9 the next day. There are tarmac Pelota squares in many villages ...
Again – this is not about the legality, but thinking about it, not camping on farmland could be a much better way forward. And something like a dome tent doesn’t have to be pegged unless there is a strong wind.
3. It has to be cheap.
The reason I have for this is that it will only be used for, what, 35 days max? And in Santiago could be given to a homeless person. Also, if it is is damaged, lost, stolen – who cares if it is cheap?
4. As it has to be both cheap and light I think that a single skin tent would do – if it gets a little cold and this causes condensation for a few nights .. is that important?
5. It will be small (to be light) but has to be big enough to keep footwear and pack inside.
And that is it really
Oh, 6. It should be blue with yellow waymarker signs spray-stencilled onto it.
I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think anyone has to spend a fortune on a tent with all gizzmos and super strong Himalayan waterproofing and maybe half a kilo, a pound, lighter – but can one can budget this? And how light is ‘light’?
1. If I am staying in the yard of an albergue, will I have access to the bathroom/shower facility? None of the guidelines I have seen for post-Covid accommodation has addressed this. People staying inside are limited to on-suite kind of bathrooms that isolate groups from one another. No mention of people coming in from the yard to use the facility.
I, too, love the Hubba Hubba tent. I used my one-person Hubba on my Appalachian Trail trek and it was as convenient and lightweight as could be. Survived many freezing nights in it while staying dry. Set up is super fast and plenty of room for me, my 60L backpack, and then some.Quick two cents worth. Now is an excellent time to buy a quality tent at significant discounts as retailers try to get rid of inventory to bring out new models, while sales are lacking due to COVID. My criteria for a lightweight tent includes: tents that ventilate well, have a fly and waterpoof seams, quick to pack or setup, are somewhat durable and have enough room for me and my pack under cover.
Often the lighter the tent, the more fragile the screen, poles and material may be, so I always look at the reviews of others to see how the tent measures up. Most UL (ultralight) tents really require a 2 man size for a single person, or 3 man size for two. Note I didn't mention a footprint as requirement, since footprints are typically heavy. Go to any hardware store (or find some used at a building site) and get 7 foot square sheet of Tyvek "building wrap". Strong and super light and will protect your tent floor from sharp rocks etc.
My favourite two tents I own are my Hubba Hubba (2 man) from MSR and Copper Spur UL2 from Big Agnes. Both tents can be pegged down of set up standalone on a platform. Setup in under 5 minutes. Both have thousands of popular reviews online. I'm 6' 2" and fit comfortably with room to spare. Both weigh in at around 1.3kg, and pack up very small (size of 2 litre bottle). Should last many years of caminos or hikes.
2. I hope to NOT have to carry cooking gear. Where this will leave me coffee-wise each morning will be another challenge. I am ready to eat out of boxes and tins if I have to, but I will whine.
Take a look at a jetboil (goggle search and you'll find almost every outdoor retailer has them or something similar). Quite light with Integrated cup/pot, stove and fuel. You can get a cheap coffee press for it. Also good for soups, stews, pasta, ramen anything that can be boiled. You'll find fuel canisters available all along the way.
Would this make a good Camino tent for pilgrims??
Yes, you are wrong. This is a discussion that we have already had in another context. When I looked at this then, it was clear that there are makers out there in most countries producing lightweight tents that are the equivalent or better, on the spec sheet, than some of those already mentioned in this thread. Mont is one such company in Australia, but there were many others. Many of them are clearly more focussed on the needs in their local markets, with designs and materials that will better suit those conditions.... am I wrong or does it seem that Americans produce the best lightweight hiking tents??
1. It has to be light – for obvious reasons really.
2. It has to be free-standing - no pegs
3. It has to be cheap.
4.It has to have a single skin
5. It has to be big enough to keep footwear and pack inside.
Yes, you are wrong.
If referring to the Jetboil 'systems', like their Flash, I always have preferred the much lighter styles of stoves like the MSR Pocket Rocket or Kovea Supalight models (11 to 14 ounces, compared to 1 to 3 ounces. Both weights not including the fuel canister). Their Jetboil MightyMo is more like the Pocket Rocket, and about the same weight at around 3 ounces.
The Kovea and Pocket Rocket also are a lot less expensive.
Even adding my Toaks cooking/eating mug, which adds 2 ounces (total weight minus fuel of 3.5 ounces), it is still much more lightweight and flexible than the Flashboil-type systems. My stove and cartridge fit right inside the mug taking up less space than my Jetboil.
I never saw many Jetboil stoves on any of my thru-hikes, outside of the first week or so. I saw a lot more of them at base camps when climbing, where altitude performance was somewhat better with that style of stove. Of course with hardcore Stupidlight backpackers, I never see them with any stoves other than maybe the 'cat-food can alcohol stoves'.
Jetboils not the best solution for through hikes because they rely on propane fuel canisters, but perfect for well supplied walks like the camino.
... many [hostels] already accept tents ...
Hi – I have been thinking about tents for Camino - idle thoughts
Now, I don’t want to get into the rights or wrongs nor the legalities or illegalities, would rather leave that out for this thread … but, when the Camino does open again I do think that there will be more tenting pilgrims. I will certainly be packing one onto my first aid trailer.
So – to me there are a few main requirements - I would be interested to hear other views
1. It has to be light – for obvious reasons really.
2. It will be a dome or pop-up tent as it has to be free-standing, that it will stand up without pegging down.
There are many refugios with concrete/wooden verandahs, porches outside churches with stone floors. There are countless businesses along the way with car parks that close early evening and don’t open again until 8 or 9 the next day. There are tarmac Pelota squares in many villages ...
Again – this is not about the legality, but thinking about it, not camping on farmland could be a much better way forward. And something like a dome tent doesn’t have to be pegged unless there is a strong wind.
3. It has to be cheap.
The reason I have for this is that it will only be used for, what, 35 days max? And in Santiago could be given to a homeless person. Also, if it is is damaged, lost, stolen – who cares if it is cheap?
4. As it has to be both cheap and light I think that a single skin tent would do – if it gets a little cold and this causes condensation for a few nights .. is that important?
5. It will be small (to be light) but has to be big enough to keep footwear and pack inside.
And that is it really
Oh, 6. It should be blue with yellow waymarker signs spray-stencilled onto it.
I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think anyone has to spend a fortune on a tent with all gizzmos and super strong Himalayan waterproofing and maybe half a kilo, a pound, lighter – but can one can budget this? And how light is ‘light’?
You are correct, the Mont Moondance, a tent that I consider to be one of the best hiking tents available on the Australian market, is listed as 'sold out'. I didn't realise that I was going to be judged on the the current availability of stock from a company's product catalogue! Your criticism might be justified if is was shown as a discontinued line, which it isn't.@dougfitz, I am sorry but you the one that is wrong. The first criteria of @David was light. And lightness would be considered in relation to the nominal suggested all up pack weight of 7 kg (15 lb).
I have scanned the manufacturer you quote for 2 person tents. The lightest of four currently in stock is 2.2 kg with the other three approaching 4 kg each. By any measure these are heavy in relation to the nominal all up suggested weight to be carried.
my answer is still that @David is wrong, but that is my personal opinion based on my own criteria which might be largely similar to his, although clearly I am prepared to pay somewhat more for a better technical solution that is somewhat lighter.... am I wrong or does it seem that Americans produce the best lightweight hiking tents??
I do not understand about the separate pot, etc. Jetboil stoves do have a separate pot. The difference is that the pot has a proprietary connector device as part of the system, in order to connect it to the stove. Lot's of folks like them, but I never cared for it even after a few weeks of use.
@AlwynWellington, I made a semi-serious response to a comment from @David that I assessed was also only semi-serious. For those who have been watching recently, we have had similar discussions over whether US sourced camping products are 'best', and like a similar discussion on footwear, I think people accept that both our evaluation criteria and the weightings we place on those are matters of individual taste. If you set up the criteria differently to @David, which you have done, one might expect different outcomes. Getting excited about whether sub 2 kg is or isn't lightweight compared to, say the Z-packs tent @davebugg is using is really splitting hairs when one cannot really afford the nearly AUD 1000 it would cost to bring into Australia. It looks like it would be a good tent, but it won't matter how good, even on a cost/use basis, if the purchase cost is more than some of us are prepared to spend.@dougfitz, I am sorry but your arguments do not address weight.
You can access a number of American made cottage manufacturer's tents from Gossamer Gear, MLD, zPacks, TarpTent, Big Agnes (although I do not like some BA tents for several reasons), HMG, etc.
Here is their offering of the zPacks Duplex.
I encourage people, who can afford the expense, to never consider the price of a piece of gear or clothing as the primary factor in determining actual value. My criteria is based on Cost Per Mile (kilometer).
If I am needing gear to ONLY walk a 500 mile Camino, ultra lightweight clothing and gear become much more expensive to me, than if I need that same clothing and gear to last for 5,000 miles.
Suddenly, that $125.00, two ounce cuben fiber poncho not only contributes to an ultralight load, but it goes from costing about 0.25 cents per mile, to costing only 0.025 cents per mile. That $600.00 tent goes from costing $1.20/mile to costing 0.12 cents/mile.
As with everything, each person's budget will determine how much one can invest in equipment. It does help to consider that a less expensive tent that needs replacing every three years, can be far more expensive than a more expensive tent that will last for 6 years.
Davebugg has other posts on this, all well worth reading.Better pictureView attachment 73610
My advice to you is to buy a cheap lightweight 2 man dome tent that you can throw at the end. I pay $12-$15 in Australia at Kmart or Woolworths and they are about 800gms definitely under a kilo.
It seems to me that what would be ideal for the multi-purposing, casual pilgrim who wants to carry a shelter only for occasional use, would be something that can also be used as a poncho, and uses only one walking stick as pole.
I was camping with my wife and then quite young children on the west coast of Mull on the night of 13-14 Aug 1979 in a 'K-mart summer tent'. We had used that tent for a couple of years summer camping in Australia before going to England and then holidaying in Scotland. Up to then it had been fine, but it didn't survive that night. We had the most uncomfortable time before dawn breaking camp in the worst wind and rain conditions I had ever experienced with two absolutely sodden children shivering and at risk of exposure. I have for ever after been prepared to invest in something much more robust to use for camping and hiking.In the summer unless you're unlucky to have a wet spell then most of the time the tent will be used for privacy more than anything so although uncomfortable not life threatening if it did leak, plus a lightweight polythene sheet, bin bags or your poncho can be rigged over the top in emergencies. Not ideal but what do you expect for a fistful of Dollars.
I was camping.... in Scotland. Up to then it had been fine, but it didn't survive that night. We had the most uncomfortable time before dawn breaking camp in the worst wind and rain conditions I had ever experienced .....after been prepared to invest in something much more robust to use for camping and hiking.
Not a good idea to rely on your weight to keep your tent in place.
Thank you this tip. It gets good reviews. It provides some privacy, shelter from a light rain, and since it has no ground cover, ventilation isn’t likely a big issue. large garbage bag would make a floor.There is one called the Gatewood cape from Six Moon Designs. I've not tried it so cannot comment on it as either a tent or poncho.
Exactly!There surely is no right and wrong here, not "THE" best tent for pilgrims. You can always look at what others prefer, but you have to find out what works best for you and at which points you're more willing to compromise and where you don't want to or can't compromise at all.
It is not that different from finding out which backpack, shoes or walking poles are best for you, really! and it's fun!
My plan is to try to sleep outside the very crowded albergues, but if an albergue isn’t crowded, then I’d choose the bunk option. I usually walk in October, when things are winding down and many albergues are less than half full. So being that my tent would not be getting nightly use, I wouldn’t mind cheap ultralight.I was searching (even some weeks before CoViD-19) for almost exactly the same tents as @David : lightweight/cheap/using walking poles/free-standing and found these two favorites:
At 300 USD (275€) and 595g:
(This one was already mentioned by @davebugg in another thread I think)
At 250 GBP (280€ -free UK & EU shipping) and 680g:
Wisp 1P Moon View Super Bivy Tent
Big Sky International's Wisp 1P Moon View Super Bivy Tent is a fantastic shelter for the weight conscious solo backpacker that packs down slightly bigger than a 1 litre water bottle. You need a walking (or tarp pole) to be able to pitch the Wisp. As with any trekking pole tent the pitching is...www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk
Coming from EU the second one might be cheaper for me and I kind of like it more. Don't know why exactly though
I don't think anyone who was outside camping or sailing that night would have thought so.Sounds like a normal night on the west coast.
Lanshan is definitely my choice of all the one-person-tents I've seen so far. Thanks for the suggestionMy plan is to try to sleep outside the very crowded albergues, but if an albergue isn’t crowded, then I’d choose the bunk option. I usually walk in October, when things are winding down and many albergues are less than half full. So being that my tent would not be getting nightly use, I wouldn’t mind cheap ultralight.
Currently I’m looking at the Lanshan 1 and the Naturehike Vik 1, both available at AliExpress (40 day delivery times!).
Here’s the video on YouTube with the one guy who compares the two (in German, but by this time other languages don’t phase me).
They’re both just below 1kg and around 125 USD. The Vik is freestanding, meaning it can set up on a porch on a rainy night, the Lanshan needs to be anchored with pegs and walking pole, so at this point I’m leaning towards the Vik.
BTW, I am a mother of four and I am NOT, under any circumstances, bringing a stove so I can cook my own meals. I am shelling out those euros so that I can enjoy this tiny luxury while I walk. Someone else is cooking for me, dammit!!
Think morning coffee while still snug in your sleeping bag.Also I don't plan to sleep in it in bad weather especially in rain or after walking whole day in rain with all the gear and clothes wet. Nope
I think the newness of camping, the newness of backpacking, AND the newness of the Camino might be too many new things at once for a first-time camper or first-time pilgrim.
if the Camino is open then also guest houses, cheap hostals, and refugios will be too - .
Because what Spain needs right now is more garbage to fill up their landfill sites?I have done a combination of camping and accomodation on 5 Caminos and the 88 Temples in Japan. We never cook and try to camp where there is running water. Always take your rubbish with you and leave the site as you find it.
My advice to you is to buy a cheap lightweight 2 man dome tent that you can throw at the end. I pay $12-$15 in Australia at Kmart or Woolworths and they are about 800gms definitely under a kilo.
We buy food along the way as usual and set up our tent out of sight on the Camino. Some Albergues will allow you to set up outside and pay for a shower. The 88 temples in Japan is nearly all camping and have facilities for you. It was my favourite. I use a lightweight air mattress that is tiny expensive and very comfortable Decathalon sells these. Same for Pillow.
I would be sad and, yes, a little bit bummed, if I got to an albergue only to find that the last bed had been taken by someone who had a tent but had just decided to sleep inside that night, maybe it was raining. They could have just parked outside, but now I have to schlep another bunch of kilometers before I can rest..
I know, I know, unfair. Tenters have the same right to a bed as me, perhaps the tenter had an injury, it's karma, etc., etc. I didn't say I liked myself for feeling put out, I just said I would feel resentment - you brought a tent, use it!
*sigh*
This makes no sense at all from a "fairness" perspectiveI would be sad and, yes, a little bit bummed, if I got to an albergue only to find that bed had been taken by someone who had a tent but had just decided to sleep inside that night, maybe it was raining.
I would be sad and, yes, a little bit bummed, if I got to an albergue only to find that the last bed had been taken by someone who had a tent but had just decided to sleep inside that night, maybe it was raining. They could have just parked outside, but now I have to schlep another bunch of kilometers before I can rest..
I know, I know, unfair. Tenters have the same right to a bed as me, perhaps the tenter had an injury, it's karma, etc., etc. I didn't say I liked myself for feeling put out, I just said I would feel resentment - you brought a tent, use it!
*sigh*
All those festival tents will fit the bill, the only thing Is that they don’t usually pack them to be carried in a rucksack, at lest the ones that I’ve seen.Mine? I won't pay more than £70 and, for me (as in the op) it would have to be free standing - I suspect that there would be many times where a perfect night pitch is available but is on hard standing - a wooden refugio verandah or their concrete car park for instance, so that is my primary attribute.
Yes. I’m only thinking about tenting at an albergue, so I’ll still be around other pilgrims. Not really interested in camping at sites with regular holiday makers.Many tenters will want a softer sleeping surface from time to time and the camaraderie of communal living. Give thanks that they aren’t competition for those beds every night?
Yes, yes, all points well taken. You are correct.Yes, I see your point and commiserate with you, 'sigh' indeed - why on earth should they think they can have a bed even if it is a howling storm outside - I mean, they did choose to bring a tent so obviously they should use it.
But it isn't just pilgrims with tents, is it. Think of pilgrims who earn more money than us, why, their pockets are probably full of Euros, what on earth are they doing in a refugio taking the last bed when a Parador is only a few yards away - so selfish. Why are they clogging up the Camino by walking anyway? Surely they can afford a taxi?
Then! Think of the unfair advantage tall pilgrims have! As they have longer legs they have a naturally longer stride so tend to arrive earlier than short people - is this fair? Seems to me that if a refugio becomes full then tall pilgrims should be asked to leave - anyway, with their long strides they will get to the next place much easier than a short person would.
and then - what if the tall pilgrim is of normal healthy weight? and what if the short person is not just short but fat as well? Is this fair?
My idea is to stop tall normal weight pilgrims leaving a refugio for at least an hour after short pilgrims and two hours after short fat pilgrims have left - surely this would be much more fair?
Top tip for pilgrims carrying a tent: - tent bags tend to be roundish, long, and narrow - before leaving home have a local artist paint it to look like a large loaf of bread - this way if your tent bag is discovered when you are in a refugio the other pilgrim will just think that you like bread - oh, though that may become a problem if they are hungry and ask for some of it. *sigh*
Yep, you're right. I didn't say I was proud of it.This makes no sense at all from a "fairness" perspective. That person took no advantage of others by carrying the extra weight. They would have released a bed for others, every time they slept outside. They might think "Why should I give up my occasional bed to someone who insists on one every night just because they don't want to come more prepared?"
When an albergue fills up, there are infinite ways to judge needs and fairness.
Yes, I know. I have revealed that I am a jerk.I would be sad and, yes, a little bit bummed, if I got to an albergue only to find that the last bed had been taken by someone who had a tent but had just decided to sleep inside that night, maybe it was raining. They could have just parked outside, but now I have to schlep another bunch of kilometers before I can rest..
I know, I know, unfair. Tenters have the same right to a bed as me, perhaps the tenter had an injury, it's karma, etc., etc. I didn't say I liked myself for feeling put out, I just said I would feel resentment - you brought a tent, use it!
*sigh*
Mine? I won't pay more than £70 and, for me (as in the op) it would have to be free standing - I suspect that there would be many times where a perfect night pitch is available but is on hard standing - a wooden refugio verandah or their concrete car park for instance, so that is my primary attribute.
No! We all have momentary thoughts that are quickly exposed to be "misguided"!Yes, I know. I have revealed that I am a jerk.
The weights quickly add up. From my current equipment collection:Is getting a second hand tent and then selling the tent after the camino an option? Looking on eBay expensive lightweight tents seem to keep their value pretty well. I think dgallen makes a really good point about weight. Maybe not an issue if you have a trailer but a 2kg tent, plus a sleeping mat (I think you're seriously hardcore if you can survive on one of those thin foam mats), plus a warmer sleeping bag, possibly plus a larger/heavier rucksack and a stove, is probably going to be double the weight that most people on this forum walk with. I wouldn't underestimate how much of difference this is going to make.
The weights quickly add up. From my current equipment collection:
None of these are anywhere near the absolute minimum. While I am not planning any new purchases here, it would still be interesting to see what others, including serious ultra-light practitioners, would need to add to their normal camino load.
- tent, mat, pillow - 2.7 kg
- cooking stove, pot and fuel ~800 gm
- tarp rigged to create an open sided hootchie with mat and pillow ~ 850 gm
- bivvy bag ~ 700 gm
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