Bruno Bodnar
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Gross disgusting people, mostly WOMEN, leaving their nasty paper on the ground.
End of the season it's horrible.
Most of it is for drippy noses on cold mornings. It would not be hard to carry to the next trash can, but that is not happening, reasons unknown. I tie a bandana to my pack strap for that purpose, and wash it daily.Some of it is obvious as to why it’s there
Gross disgusting people, mostly WOMEN, leaving their nasty paper on the ground.
End of the season it's horrible.
Thank you... Yes, please(!) pack it out, for whatever reason. IMHO we humans, have become much more willing to litter everywhere with our disposables. Please take care of the area, wherever you may be. The Camino is no different, but it is striking to be confronted with litter there and really in most every situation avoidable.Falcon is correct. I served as a 'Ditch Pig' in November 2016, cleaning the Camino in Palencia for a week.
TP or other type tissue, seen away from a tree line or hedgerow is typically 'nose-blow' detritus. The really nasty stuff, or "brown tissue' as we came to refer to it, is usually in a sodden pile or wad, behind something that may have provided some privacy during the spring and summer months.
Once otono / fall / autumn arrives, and leaves drop from trees, the spotty white patches become all the more apparent. The curtain is parted and the sins of the pilgrim are revealed...
If you carried it into that location, you should pack it out after use. If that is not doable for any number of reasons, do carry a lightweight 'cat sanitation' trowel, and bury your soiled 'stuff' in a small hole, well covered over before you depart.
The very few times this has occurred to me over six Caminos, I went the added step of burning the paper over the 'stuff' using the small BIC lighter I always carry in my belt pocket. this speeds decomposition, reduces attracting wildlife, and reduces the overall size of 'the deposits.' Of course, I had one or more water bottles ready to immediately douse any flame that threatened to spread. After the fire is well out, I filled in the hole, compressed it with my boot, and covered the area with vegetation.
So, the best advice, IMHO, on this issue is:
Hope this helps.
- plan your toilet needs ahead of time, tend to them in a proper place...a bathroom / bano / loo, etc.
- pack out whatever 'trash' you create, from any source. Leave only memories...
- properly dispose of and minimize whatever detritus you must leave behind.
- THINK of others who come after you.
No reason for TP all over trails whether here on the trails in other parts of the world. Put soiled paper in plastic bag. Also panty liners are a great way to go. I guess thee are same women who pee on toilet seats and don’t clean up. Yes it is GROSS!
How many men do you know that wipe their parts when they pee?
I've watched countless women squat and pee on the Camino, and leave their paper laying on the ground.
It's women... sadly.
How many men do you know that wipe their parts when they pee?
I've watched countless women squat and pee on the Camino, and leave their paper laying on the ground.
It's women... sadly.
Sadly, I’m with @Anniesantiago on this, I had actual evidence ie I saw them.without actual evidence it’s just meaningless to say it’s one group over another
No-one needs to ‘poop’ in the wild on the CF! There are enough places to stop, between leaving the albergue and arriving! (unless you are suddenly taken ill of course. )Annie, when men have to poop they are in same state as women on the trail. So just identifying women as the culprits is unfair. It is more difficult for women to urinate on a trail than men and more of a need to clean with tissue. ALL, men and women, should carry out all paper they bring with them, period! We carry dog poop bags. They are relatively cheaper and lighter than zip locks for this purpose. Once used, we have no desire to reopen, anyway.
I observed a group of 6 women walk up a drive way to someone's home laughing and all pulled down their pants in plain view squatted and peed.How many men do you know that wipe their parts when they pee?
I've watched countless women squat and pee on the Camino, and leave their paper laying on the ground.
It's women... sadly.
Surely adults can last more than an hour or so without going to the loo???? How do people manage when they’re at work???
Just don't paint all women with the same brush.....It's women, mostly. Have observed it, many times. Disgusting, disrespectful and offending. We men are more considerate.
I use pantylines instead of tp and it whisks away moisture very well. I toss it in the trash at the end of the day. I personally have never seen "used" ones on the trail behind bushes in the spring. I guess I have not walked the Frances enough times. I don't recall other Caminos having the tp problem as fewer pilgrims are on those routes.Unfortunately, there are plenty of panty liners along the route as well
As far as the other, I've threatened to put up signs saying "If you're going to stand up and pee like a man, lift the danged toilet seat like a man!"
Ah well, I stand corrected.We walk in off season sometimes. There are days we went 15-17km without finding anything open. Strong head winds and slow going .under poor conditions. I saw both men and women trying to find cover to go. Sometimes it took us four hours to find something open and as I stated when nature calls..that is it!
But - and please correct me if you think I’m wrong - normally, adults can manage four hours, can’t they??? Between leaving the albergue/hostal in the morning to the next stop?
I do not condone littering on the Camino yet when I have seen signs of litter when I was in doubt due to no arrows it gives me hope I am on the right trail.We have been on many trips; walking, biking, kayaking, canoeing, camping...and always practiced packing out everything.
I just wonder how people think this is ok to leave!
Annie, when men have to poop they are in same state as women on the trail. So just identifying women as the culprits is unfair. It is more difficult for women to urinate on a trail than men and more of a need to clean with tissue. ALL, men and women, should carry out all paper they bring with them, period! We carry dog poop bags. They are relatively cheaper and lighter than zip locks for this purpose. Once used, we have no desire to reopen, anyway.
so what do you expect people to do when nature calls? Give some advice? Go back to SJPP?Sorry, I disagree.
There's nothing unfair about the truth.
It's simply what it is.
MOST people don't poop along the trail.
But a lot of people do urinate.
And MOST of the paper is left by women.
Men will usually walk off the trail a bit and hit a bush or tree.
They'll give their bits a shake and be done.
Women will squat right along the route and leave their nasty paper behind.
Sorry... it's just a fact.
I just feel without actual evidence it’s just meaningless to say it’s one group over another
so what do you expect people to do when nature calls? Give some advice? Go back to SJPP?
so what do you expect people to do when nature calls? Give some advice? Go back to SJPP?
Mostly WOMEN? Where are you getting your stats from?
I’ll second that!Unfortunately, there are plenty of panty liners along the route as well
As far as the other, I've threatened to put up signs saying "If you're going to stand up and pee like a man, lift the danged toilet seat like a man!"
I don't feel it's meaningless.
I think it's educational.
Women should be taught in forums such as these to take along a bag and carry out their paper.
I'm not sure why you're offended.
I'm a woman, and frankly, the behavior of THOSE women who DO this offends me.
Being PC doesn't help the situation - just puts blinders on the issue, imo.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
It's been a pet peeve of mine since my first Camino - and 13-14 Caminos later (I lose count), it's still a pet peeve.
I try to educate the women who walk in my groups, and hope they "pass it on."
Actually, I think it's the 'squatters' who splash on the toilet seat. At least that is what I have deduced from the other thread 'The Proper Way to Go.'........I've threatened to put up signs saying "If you're going to stand up and pee like a man, lift the danged toilet seat like a man!"
I'm with @Anniesantiago and @domigee and others on this one: it's largely our fault, ok it's the fault of those sisters who are uninformed or non-thinking or badly educated or culturally conditioned in a path-unfriendly way. You may have noticed that it's mainly women who make this claim about other women's habits, men seem to be surprised about it and prefer to adhere to the gender-neutral dripping noses theory.A generalization based on observation is a hypothesis, not “truth”.
really? men don't poop along the trail? then you haven't done enough Caminos because I have seen it. futhermore am done with this subject much more to do than this.so what do you expect people to do when nature calls? Give some advice? Go back to SJPP?
Not only Freud.Freud would have a field day with this thread!
I think you're right!!It's women, mostly. Have observed it, many times. Disgusting, disrespectful and offending. We men are more considerate.
Maybe this is worth considering? The Camino provides. We all know this if we have set foot on any part of it. Is it not worth it to keep it as pristine we we can so others can experience it the same way?
Sorry for the tough love here but on this topic, it is needed. If you take a roll of TP (Gold on the Camino), a few ziplock bags will not add too much to your pack. And, every time you need one to pack out droppings, and TP (used), drop it in the next trash can. It is that easy. And if every one of us did and taught that, there would not be an 80 km latrine left behind.
Sadly, perhaps we are preaching to the choir?
Thoroughly agree. I am ashamed as a women to admit that it is often left by the “ fairer sex,,,,”We made it to Pamplona today.
I have a question about all the tissue paper all over the place along the trail and in the bushes! Some of it is obvious as to why it’s there, disgustingly obvious!!! Some of it is hanging in the bushes and trees and a lot more is just lying on the side of the trail.
What is going on?!
Ah well, I stand corrected.
In my experience, ‘nature calls’ suddenly when something has gone wrong ie you’ve eaten something that doesn’t agree with you or you’ve got a bug or whatever... That can’t be helped.
But - and please correct me if you think I’m wrong - normally, adults can manage four hours, can’t they??? Between leaving the albergue/hostal in the morning to the next stop?
Yes, agree, normally, but one is assuming, then that one did their “duty” so to speak when one first got up?!My system does not operate like clockwork...some times my first clue is after being out for two hours?!Do you really go the same time every day?
I am not ashamed that we, as females, must "squat and wipe". It's not our fault that our bodies are designed that way. The problem of course is being willing to deal with the removal of the tp, which is why I prefer panty liners. One can make you feel dry all day, then just toss.Thoroughly agree. I am ashamed as a women to admit that it is often left by the “ fairer sex,,,,”
What is wrong with taking it away in a plastic bag and sorting it at the end of the day.
What is the answer -to educate .
Can I add that the use of fire in the woods is very dangerous and many times not legal. As I live in "fire country" I can tell you it does not take much for a fire to get out of control and then disaster and death are soon to follow. I commend your efforts and it sounds as though you are experienced and very careful. Not everyone posses those traits and fire is dangerous at any level, even burning a tissue.I went the added step of burning the paper over the 'stuff' using the small BIC lighter I always carry in my belt pocket.
Actually, I think it's the 'squatters' who splash on the toilet seat. At least that is what I have deduced from the other thread 'The Proper Way to Go.'
I think you're right!!
And easy to find..... at least here in US. We buy biodegradable potato starch bags for our dogs waste and they last about one year before being disintegrated (after use). They cost less than a nickel each and weigh next to nothing.Regular dog poop bags are light, small and often biodegradable
.Do you really go the same time every day?
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No, but I make sure I do business before leaving the albergue. It is also a good idea to have a pack of wet wipes to clean oneself before you go.
Well this ‘conversation’ has been enlightening!Yes, agree, normally, but one is assuming, then that one did their “duty” so to speak when one first got up?!My system does not operate like clockwork...some times my first clue is after being out for two hours?!Do you really go the same time every day?
Well this ‘conversation’ has been enlightening!
Do you all do the same when you walk at home, too?
I have twice had to go in the woods as an emergency - because I had some sort of stomach upset..... and I reckon I have walked roughly 10000 km on pilgrimages now.So do I , of course, but that does not mean, the mind and body are synchronized! I guess some folks have all the luck!
Or “drip dry,”No-one needs to ‘poop’ in the wild on the CF! There are enough places to stop, between leaving the albergue and arriving! (unless you are suddenly taken ill of course. )
Surely adults can last more than an hour or so without going to the loo???? How do people manage when they’re at work???
Peeing is a different matter, especially with the amounts of water we drink.... But TAKE your tissue with you!!!
What amazes me is this is not a wilderness walk....most often there is not a toilet far away. Buying a drink in the bar so you can use the toilet, aids the economy and adds to the enjoyment of experiencing local culture.
I don’t think anyone has a quarrel with you because I seem to remember you mentioned not leaving any paper behindAgain...A lot depends upon what time of year one is walking. I have gotten off a planned route and gone into a town in the winter looking for a bar that was supposed to be open only to find out the owners close because the weather was poor. Nothing was open....And in bad weather and high winds we were only averaging 3 to 3.5 km per hour! I, as we all , I imagine, would likely prefer
to go inside into a relatively warm and dry space to take care of ourselves! But it is not always available. If you can hit a bar every hour or so wonderful...good for you!
Of course, I trained myself. But then, I'm half-German...Yes, agree, normally, but one is assuming, then that one did their “duty” so to speak when one first got up?!My system does not operate like clockwork...some times my first clue is after being out for two hours?!Do you really go the same time every day?
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rancisco-poop-problem-inequality-homelessness
Public toilets needed, here, there and everywhere!
LolOf course, I trained myself. But then, I'm half-German...
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rancisco-poop-problem-inequality-homelessness
Public toilets needed, here, there and everywhere!
I think the people who don't like the sight of TP or tissues expect people to bring plastic bags for the waste paper and take it with them rather than leave it by the trail. At least, that's what I've been reading.so what do you expect people to do when nature calls? Give some advice? Go back to SJPP?
Great idea!I’m SORRY I brought this up! I did NOT intend it to be a battle of the sexes!
I think maybe print out an etiquette list for using the trail when the society that issues the official credencial sends it out or when someone buys one at the various pilgrim’s offices.
It sure seems like if if you can carry TP in you can carry it out. Pretty standard stuff for any "hike" or walk or Camino. As others point out the distance between towns or services is not so vast that carrying your own garbage for an hour or two is that much to ask.I think the people who don't like the sight of TP or tissues expect people to bring plastic bags for the waste paper and take it with them rather than leave it by the trail. At least, that's what I've been reading.
We made it to Pamplona today.
I have a question about all the tissue paper all over the place along the trail and in the bushes! Some of it is obvious as to why it’s there, disgustingly obvious!!! Some of it is hanging in the bushes and trees and a lot more is just lying on the side of the trail.
What is going on?![/QUOTE
THERE IS NO ACCEPTABLE ANSWER. Trash scattered along the Camino is unacceptable. Camino trade groups and associations should make PACKING OUT ones trash an educational point, especially for those preparing to walk the Camino for the first time.
I witnesed a lady discarding a tissue on the ground in front of me and as I walked past her I asked her if she owned a dog, she said yes and I suggested she never picked up his business in a bag either, the look she gave me was pure goldHow many men do you know that wipe their parts when they pee?
I've watched countless women squat and pee on the Camino, and leave their paper laying on the ground.
It's women... sadly.
You do not need to be the exception.... but I have taken anything produced or used away with me for later disposal. But, all evidence shows that I've been the exception, sadly....
well, when nature calls what do you expect a pilgrim to do? tells us, please?Gross disgusting people, mostly WOMEN, leaving their nasty paper on the ground.
End of the season it's horrible.
well if you have an alternative solution it would be beneficial. As I stated before when nature calls nature calls. I tend to try and bury whatever it is.We made it to Pamplona today.
I have a question about all the tissue paper all over the place along the trail and in the bushes! Some of it is obvious as to why it’s there, disgustingly obvious!!! Some of it is hanging in the bushes and trees and a lot more is just lying on the side of the trail.
What is going on?!
See @Kanga 's reponse above!well if you have an alternative solution it would be beneficial. As I stated before when nature calls nature calls. I tend to try and bury whatever it is.
I think Kanga provided the alternative solutions in the previous post (#85).well if you have an alternative solution it would be beneficial. As I stated before when nature calls nature calls. I tend to try and bury whatever it is.
I think Kanga provided the alternative solutions in the previous post (#85).
Perhaps "when nature calls, nature calls" but nature is able to listen to "hold on a bit, I'm busy now". That's why most of us aren't wearing diapers. We generally have the muscular control to "hold it in" for at least a little while. I certainly had to use that to the limit once or twice when I walked the Camino Frances, but I managed.
As Kanga says, it helps to go before you leave the albergue and perhaps again when you stop for breakfast or coffee. Nature's calls are not entirely random. They tend to come at predictable intervals after eating or drinking. We can also use that to manage longer stretches. And, if worst comes to worst, it is possible to bring a plastic bag (like people bring when walking their dogs) and remove one's own waste. It may be distasteful to you to carry it until finding a trash can, but it is just as distasteful to others to encounter it if you leave it behind.
I’ve been on many wilderness trips; mountain biking, kayaking, hiking...Moab Utah, Yellow Knife, Whitehorse. Some of these were organized guided tours, others were just me and friends. In ALL cases it was preached to all members of the expedition “if you pack it in, pack it out!” “Leave no trace!” And yes this includes “poop”. I fear that if the practice of leaving garbage and human waste along the trail then the adjacent landowners who LIVE THERE will petition to shut it down or like so little of what is left of the “free” world, will limit the numbers and/or charge high fees!well if you have an alternative solution it would be beneficial. As I stated before when nature calls nature calls. I tend to try and bury whatever it is.
well, when nature calls what do you expect a pilgrim to do? tells us, please?
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