saara kinnunen
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2. If I walk Camino Portuguese via Camino El Spiritual and take the boat from Villanova de Arousa to Padron, do I get the compostela i Santiago?
Is this put in writing anywhere? It isn't listed on the official website which says "They are required to have travelled at least the last 100 kilometres on foot or horseback or the last 200 by bicycle, which is demonstrated by the “Credencial del Peregrino” duly stamped along the route travelled. Therefore other forms of travel to access the Compostela are excluded, except in the case of the disabled." They don't list an exception for the Variante Espiritual. And I seem to remember others who volunteer at the Pilgrim Office in SdC saying that it wouldn't officially qualify. It would be nice to give Saara something official to point to if the volunteer she gets that day is only aware of the base rules.Hi, yes, you will get your compostela. The Variante Espiritual is officially included, including the boat journey from Vila Nova de Arousa to Pontecesures.
Jill
Is this put in writing anywhere? It isn't listed on the official website which says "They are required to have travelled at least the last 100 kilometres on foot or horseback or the last 200 by bicycle, which is demonstrated by the “Credencial del Peregrino” duly stamped along the route travelled. Therefore other forms of travel to access the Compostela are excluded, except in the case of the disabled." They don't list an exception for the Variante Espiritual. And I seem to remember others who volunteer at the Pilgrim Office in SdC saying that it wouldn't officially qualify. It would be nice to give Saara something official to point to if the volunteer she gets that day is only aware of the base rules.
Is this put in writing anywhere? It isn't listed on the official website which says "They are required to have travelled at least the last 100 kilometres on foot or horseback or the last 200 by bicycle, which is demonstrated by the “Credencial del Peregrino” duly stamped along the route travelled. Therefore other forms of travel to access the Compostela are excluded, except in the case of the disabled." They don't list an exception for the Variante Espiritual.
That's great! I just wish he mentioned where the Pilgrim Office has "now clarified that this variant is an exception and that pilgrims who use a boat for some of it will still qualify if they started in Vigo or Porinno and therefore overall will have walked more than 100 kms to Santiago." I couldn't find it on their website. If a pilgrim gets to the Office and is told that they haven't met the requirements because they haven't walked the last 100 km, I'd like to give them a little more to respond with than "I read Johnnie Walker say that the Pilgrim Office said". Until I get a little more than that, I won't be advising anyone for whom the compostela is very important to take the boat.Hi, Johnnie Walker mentioned it in this thread:
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/variante-espiritual-from-this-weekend.34816/
See posts 71 and 78.
Jill
I no longer assume or expect the cathedral's Compostela's rules to be based upon any simple logic or that they will be applied with even a semblance of consistency.
I just wish he mentioned where the Pilgrim Office has "now clarified that this variant is an exception and that pilgrims who use a boat for some of it will still qualify if they started in Vigo or Porinno and therefore overall will have walked more than 100 kms to Santiago."
Yes, I agree, it would be good to get the official view from the pilgrim’s office. 12 of us queued up for our compostelas this September, after walking from Porto via the Variante Espiritual, so we all went to the different volunteers at the different counters, and we all got our compostelas. I was honoured to receive mine from @Jeff Crawley - perhaps he could chip in here and give us the official view.
Jill
Is this put in writing anywhere? It isn't listed on the official website which says "They are required to have travelled at least the last 100 kilometres on foot or horseback or the last 200 by bicycle, which is demonstrated by the “Credencial del Peregrino” duly stamped along the route travelled. Therefore other forms of travel to access the Compostela are excluded, except in the case of the disabled." They don't list an exception for the Variante Espiritual. And I seem to remember others who volunteer at the Pilgrim Office in SdC saying that it wouldn't officially qualify. It would be nice to give Saara something official to point to if the volunteer she gets that day is only aware of the base rules.
The actual route traveled is not as relevant as the distance traveled, in a more or less continuous line from somewhere, INTO Santiago de Compostela. So, you could literally start anywhere that was at least 100 km out from Santiago and be eligible for a Compostela.
However, there is NO specific requirement to have walked on any recognized route. This is why the variants on the Portuguese Camino are perfectly acceptable. It is the minimum distance that is critical, not the starting place, per se.
I understand that you can walk any route. The key word there, however, is walk. People are talking about taking a powered boat, and not just to cross a river but for a number of kilometers. This would be within the last 100 km. It seemed to me that this would break the rules, just as taking a taxi would, unless there was an official exception for it. I've heard that there is, but haven't seen it documented anywhere official.The actual route traveled is not as relevant as the distance traveled, in a more or less continuous line from somewhere, INTO Santiago de Compostela. So, you could literally start anywhere that was at least 100 km out from Santiago and be eligible for a Compostela.
The KEY thing is to carefully document that sequential and chronological progression and movement towards Santiago de Compostela with AT LEAST two sellos (rubber stamps) daily. More are better, especially if you are traveling the route or road less traveled.
However, there is NO specific requirement to have walked on any recognized route. This is why the variants on the Portuguese Camino are perfectly acceptable. It is the minimum distance that is critical, not the starting place, per se.
As another example, this May, I hope to do what I am terming the Camino Primitivo "Mixto.' My plan is to start at Oviedo, walk the Primitivo to Lugo then hang a right just beyond the bridge outside of Lugo to follow a "Greenway" hiking path. These are rural paths or roads marked with green arrows. A two days' walk leads on to a left turn, joining the Camino del Norte at Sobrado. From there, I plan to navigate to join the main Camino Frances route at about Lavacolla. This is the last night before entering Santiago.
The main Primitivo route joins the Frances at Melide, four days out from Santiago. My intention, as was last year taking the Invierno, is to find viable alternatives to dealing with the Camino Frances, to the extent possible, especially during the main pilgrimage season. As we approach the next Holy Year in 2021, these detours will help reduce overcrowding on the Frances and reduce anxiety for repeat pilgrims.
Hope this helps.
Dear Jill. Did you walk all the way or use the boat from Vila Nova de Arousa to Pontecesures.?
Saara
I understand that you can walk any route. The key word there, however, is walk. People are talking about taking a powered boat, and not just to cross a river but for a number of kilometers. This would be within the last 100 km. It seemed to me that this would break the rules, just as taking a taxi would, unless there was an official exception for it. I've heard that there is, but haven't seen it documented anywhere official.
It is not walking an alternate route that I worry might prevent someone from getting a Compostela who really wanted one, but boating on an alternate route within 100 km of SdC. Your examples don't really address this.
So, I conclude that the change was made very recently. No one has yet thought to update the web site, they should, and I wish someone from the Cathedral or Pilgrim Office would tell Ivar, so he can report authoritatively. I do NOT doubt your statements, and the photo does tend to speak for itself. It is just that this is a sensitive subject and one that must be reported authoritatively, lest people develop unrealistic or inaccurate perceptions.
Based on everything I am reading in this thread. I would make a rational argument to do one's Camino according to the most restrictive reading of the available information. In this case, that means making sure the FINAL 100 Km of your Camino into Santiago is on one of the recognized routes.
3 of us did the Variante in Appril. We took the boat. It is a beautiful route. We all have Compostelas.1. If you are allergic to dust or mold, have you had troubles in albergas? How do you describe the air in albergas, is it healthy or unhealthy to sensitive people?
2. If I walk Camino Portuguese via Camino El Spiritual and take the boat from Villanova de Arousa to Padron, do I get the compostela i Santiago?
Hi Saara,1. If you are allergic to dust or mold, have you had troubles in albergas? How do you describe the air in albergas, is it healthy or unhealthy to sensitive people?
2. If I walk Camino Portuguese via Camino El Spiritual and take the boat from Villanova de Arousa to Padron, do I get the compostela i Santiago?
Good morning1. If you are allergic to dust or mold, have you had troubles in albergas? How do you describe the air in albergas, is it healthy or unhealthy to sensitive people?
2. If I walk Camino Portuguese via Camino El Spiritual and take the boat from Villanova de Arousa to Padron, do I get the compostela i Santiago?
Agree. Please pilgrims, ooen the eindows at night. It is safe to do so.1. the air definitely varies from albergue to albergue. it also depends a great deal on the fact if the window(s) are open or closed during the day and the night. it has happened to me that, in big dorms with closed windows, I had to relocate to a sofa in a common room during the night because the air was so foul. (or once to the toilet to puke out my guts, but that was probably also partly due to something I ate for dinner.)
I really don't get people who can sleep with many people in the same room with the windows closed. really not.
Not that important any longerif receiving a Compostela is important to you
Keep it simple rule gone ...and office is like a Govt departmentto the ever-growing workload of the pilgrim office.
10000000% correcthe introduction of the "100 km rule" was a mistake which has undermined the spiritual character of the pilgrimage. Ideally I would like to see it abandoned completely. Unlikely to happen with so many vested interests involved.
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