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I don't believe that's a myth. It's true that pilgrims in the middle ages stunk!Having nothing useful to do and after reading someone else saying that the purpose of the botafumeiro was to kill the smell of the pilgrims (which of course it must have by the way) can we have some of the other now accepted urban myths about out there.
:there was an altar to Mercury on the Cruz de Ferro
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7 out of 10 Kath And David is again 8 out of 10@rector: My favourite evergreens:
@David Tallan: Doesn't the chicken incident qualify as a miracle?
- medieval pilgrims carried a stone from home
- there was an altar to Mercury at the Cruz de Ferro site
That Leib is worth 8 out of 10 whilst I liked Queen is was never too fussed on Brian May he like Mercury was only a mythical inventionThat is completely false.
The altar was to Brian May.
The body of St James is buried in Santiago de Compostela.
(Don't shoot me, people. I'm as serious a Catholic as the next man or woman. But it seems to me that the odds of the Apostle's remains being physically there are long indeed.)
Brad that is some backpack, just after Christmas, perhaps it will be lighter by EasterThe weight of your backpack has to be equal to 10% of your current body weight.
That show a dire lack of faith, have you never watched the wizard of oz, the bar is somewhere over the rainbow.The second bar is always better.
And for France - other than from Le Puy:
There will be a bar in the next village.
That's easily the greatest myth of them all.
That show a dire lack of faith, have you never watched the wizard of oz, the bar is somewhere over the rainbow.
I'll wear this badge of honour with great pride - no one else got one of those.3 out of 10 (only because it shows that lack of faith)
Well I never mix religion and politics but you go to the top of the class, how could a follower of the prince of peace do what he is supposed to have done?How does the myth that St. James killed Moors rate?
James Nesbit comes from just up the road from meI've walked in France and built up an almighty thirst and hunger many a day. Sounds all too true to me! And I've watched both versions of the Wizard of Oz and the Martin Sheen/James Nesbitt version was nowhere near as good as the original..
I've watched both versions of the Wizard of Oz and the Martin Sheen/James Nesbitt version was nowhere near as good as the original..
Perhaps it is there in case you Mythed the first oneThe second bar is a sign the guys who own the Bodega in Moratinos put up to attract pilgrims before the first bar. The sign is 100% correct.
@rectorWell I live in Ireland and if I followed the Milky way I would end up back where I started having gone via Labrador, Beijing, Moscow, and Copenhagen.
But I will give you 8.25 out of 10
David Brilliant as you are you are under threat
That must be true. I know 2 people who have lived there for a year each teaching English and both say the sun never fully shines!From what I've read you'll be lucky to even see the moon in Beijing.
Not really a myth but a firm belief that served me well elsewhere but badly let me down along the CF sometimes: there will be a bar opposite the church.
Are you serious, Jill...or is this comment better suited for the "NOT a serious thread"?That’s not a myth, there is always a bar near the church. You’re not looking hard enough. There is an underground tunnel between the two as well.
Jill
There's the urban myth of a pilgrim unjustly accused in Santo Domingo, saved from certain death by hanging by St. James and exonerated by a revived chicken.
Or did you mean the myth that you have to stop for the night where Brierley tells you to?
The tunnel that connects bar and church is a spiritual tunnel. Both body and soul need nourishment. As they say in Bavaria and presumably elsewhere: Siehst du das Haus des Herrn, ist das Wirtshaus nicht mehr fern - When you see the House of the Lord, the tavern isn't far away.Are you serious, Jill...or is this comment better suited for the "NOT a serious thread"?
The weight of your backpack has to be equal to 10% of your current body weight.
In July there may be an encierro.If you are in a bar in Spain and there isn't any live football coverage on the TV then you either are not in a bar or you are not in Spain
Some easy myths:
1. That you must start in SJPdP
2. You MUST have reservations or you’ll be sleeping in the street
3. All the beds are taken because BOOKING.COM says so
I didn't dare to go there ... there's too much of a grey area between urban myth, legend, and firmly held personal belief. That's why I didn't dare to add: The camino provides.'Real' pilgrims _________________________. (Fill in the blank.)
Ditto. I'm one bigLoving this thread, by the way - thanks
Erm ... twist, what twist? What did you expect of a thread that started with @rector's "Having nothing useful to do" ...? Just because people don't plaster rows ofI love the "twist" this thread has taken, turning from serious to very funny.
Reading Queen and Mercury in the same sentence is confusing me. Freddie???That Leib is worth 8 out of 10 whilst I liked Queen is was never too fussed on Brian May he like Mercury was only a mythical invention
Are you serious, Jill...or is this comment better suited for the "NOT a serious thread"?
Who is this Queen Freddie of Mercury and why haven’t I heard of her before???...surely not an urban myth!!!Reading Queen and Mercury in the same sentence is confusing me. Freddie???
Except on Sunday when they are devoted to watching motorcycle races.If you are in a bar in Spain and there isn't any live football coverage on the TV then you either are not in a bar or you are not in Spain
If you are in a bar in Spain and there isn't any live football coverage on the TV then you either are not in a bar or you are not in Spain
Boy I fell hard for that one.Dispelling the following myth is probably as cruel as telling someone that Santa Claus isn't real but alas it's a myth that the Ponferrada building shown below was built by the Knights Templar.
This news has burst my bubble...a sad day indeed! Lol...100 points for you!Dispelling the following myth is probably as cruel as telling someone that Santa Claus isn't real but alas it's a myth that the Ponferrada building shown below was built by the Knights Templar. How many points - if any - do I get?
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Tom, I have not read all of this yet, but your intellect is definately shining today!My mythical observation and contribution is:
Myth - It was not a boat made of stone. This was proven not feasible during the Great War (WWI) when ships were made of cast concrete, as an experiment. The buoyancy needed to navigate does not exist with so great a mass. But, things being what they are, the myth at Muxia is not going away anytime soon.
Myth - If myth #1 above is correct, then the notion of a boat self-navigating the length of the Mediterranean through the Straits of Gibraltar, up the Atlantic Coast, along the Costa de Morte (Coast of Death) into the port of Iria Flavia (Padron) is similarly improbable, albeit very romantic. But, again, be it far from me to dispel a really good story....
Legend - The two followers of St. James, Thaddeus and Athanasius escaped with his remains from Jerusalem to the, then seaport at (what is now) Haifa (IIRC). There, they obtained passage on a boat to convey the Apostle's remains to Iberia. This much was documented by Josephus, the first century historian of all things in that part of the empire... So, while I term it legend, this much may be a documented fact... or at least a historically documented fact...
FACT - At that time in history and throughout the Roman Empire, there were boats stopping at Mediterranean ports all around the Roman Empire, delivering manufactured goods from "Rome" and bringing back raw materials or other products desired from the far flung reaches of the empire. They certainly transited the Mediterranean between the Holy Land, Italy, 'Gaul,' and Iberia (present day Andorra, Portugal and Spain), as well as North Africa. Historical writings depict a regular pattern of port calls and trading relationships within the Roman Empire.
FACT - The, then major Roman port on the Mediterranean for Iberia was the present day Tarragona (nee Tarraco). Even today, this place remains a port city.
FACT - Maps of ancient Roman roads across Spain show one major and several subsidiary Roman Roads leading from the, then major port, of Tarragona across Spain to the region of Lugo, at Asturias. Extensions of these roads connected Iria Flavia (Padron) and the region now called Galicia and that of Santiago de Compostela (nee Assegonia) by the established network of roads for carts and wagons.
Here is a comprehensive map of medieval roads, patterned upon the Roman roads. The bolder green lines are the original Roman roads. The lighter lines are the roads built later, using the Roman Road network at a 'spine.'
http://fabricadesites.fcsh.unl.pt/mercator-e/results-2/medieval-roads/
Here is a 'modern' network representation map, similar to urban metro maps:
https://sashat.me/2018/11/21/roman-roads-of-iberia/
There were even sub-roads, built during Roman times that connected Assegonia (Santiago de Compostela) with Iria Flavia to the south and Lugo, in Asturias, to the north and west.
http://dare.ht.lu.se/
The point is that the facts easily support a cart-based transit of Iberia from the port of Tarraco / Tarragona...
Fact(ish) - told to me personally by the historian of the Cathedral - Records and reasonable conjecture based on known facts, indicate that it is more likely that the two followers of St. James, Thaddeus and Athanasius, obtained passage on a boat carrying stone statues from Carrera in Italy (or similar processed stone) to the Holy Land. Athanasius wrote that the two followers obtained passage on such a 'stone boat." It is also recorded that this boat was piloted by 'a follower.' This was a boat for the transporting of stone around the Mediterranean, not a boat MADE literally of stone.
Given this, the fact pattern supports this boat eventually making a regular port call at Tarraco. From there, conjecture has it that Thaddeus and Athanasius had a 'most excellent road trip' by ox cart. Their journey eventually led them, to the first-century Roman settlement at Assegonia (akak Santiago de Compostela).
This is where the combination of facts, legend, and myth combine to form the narrative we all (well most of us) subscribe to today. The Apostles' bones were placed in a family crypt within the first-century villa, owned by one of the nine-families Santiago converted during his first go in Iberia. The rest we all know from more or less documented facts.
Assessment of known facts, lightly documented facts, and logic, permit one to 'connect the dots..." at least IMHO.
So, my submission in support of the prize, is that it was not a boat constructed of stone. It was instead a boat constructed for the transport and trading of stone around the Mediterranean.
See explanation above...
Sorry about the length. Brevity is not among my few virtues...
Hope this helps the dialog.
Don’t very often post elsewhere CC...followingBristle Boy, I think this is the first I've personally noticed you on another thread besides the NOT! A big thanks to @rector.
Myth - It was not a boat made of stone. This was proven not feasible during the Great War (WWI) when ships were made of cast concrete, as an experiment. The buoyancy needed to navigate does not exist with so great a mass. But, things being what they are, the myth at Muxia is not going away anytime soon.
That is a 9.5 and if it helps the Carthaginians traded with Ireland and Scandinavia therefore they passed Galicia on the way.My mythical observation and contribution is:
Myth - It was not a boat made of stone. This was proven not feasible during the Great War (WWI) when ships were made of cast concrete, as an experiment. The buoyancy needed to navigate does not exist with so great a mass. But, things being what they are, the myth at Muxia is not going away anytime soon.
Myth - If myth #1 above is correct, then the notion of a boat self-navigating the length of the Mediterranean through the Straits of Gibraltar, up the Atlantic Coast, along the Costa de Morte (Coast of Death) into the port of Iria Flavia (Padron) is similarly improbable, albeit very romantic. But, again, be it far from me to dispel a really good story....
Legend - The two followers of St. James, Thaddeus and Athanasius escaped with his remains from Jerusalem to the, then seaport at (what is now) Haifa (IIRC). There, they obtained passage on a boat to convey the Apostle's remains to Iberia. This much was documented by Josephus, the first century historian of all things in that part of the empire... So, while I term it legend, this much may be a documented fact... or at least a historically documented fact...
FACT - At that time in history and throughout the Roman Empire, there were boats stopping at Mediterranean ports all around the Roman Empire, delivering manufactured goods from "Rome" and bringing back raw materials or other products desired from the far flung reaches of the empire. They certainly transited the Mediterranean between the Holy Land, Italy, 'Gaul,' and Iberia (present day Andorra, Portugal and Spain), as well as North Africa. Historical writings depict a regular pattern of port calls and trading relationships within the Roman Empire.
FACT - The, then major Roman port on the Mediterranean for Iberia was the present day Tarragona (nee Tarraco). Even today, this place remains a port city.
FACT - Maps of ancient Roman roads across Spain show one major and several subsidiary Roman Roads leading from the, then major port, of Tarragona across Spain to the region of Lugo, at Asturias. Extensions of these roads connected Iria Flavia (Padron) and the region now called Galicia and that of Santiago de Compostela (nee Assegonia) by the established network of roads for carts and wagons.
Here is a comprehensive map of medieval roads, patterned upon the Roman roads. The bolder green lines are the original Roman roads. The lighter lines are the roads built later, using the Roman Road network at a 'spine.'
http://fabricadesites.fcsh.unl.pt/mercator-e/results-2/medieval-roads/
Here is a 'modern' network representation map, similar to urban metro maps:
https://sashat.me/2018/11/21/roman-roads-of-iberia/
There were even sub-roads, built during Roman times that connected Assegonia (Santiago de Compostela) with Iria Flavia to the south and Lugo, in Asturias, to the north and west.
http://dare.ht.lu.se/
The point is that the facts easily support a cart-based transit of Iberia from the port of Tarraco / Tarragona...
Fact(ish) - told to me personally by the historian of the Cathedral - Records and reasonable conjecture based on known facts, indicate that it is more likely that the two followers of St. James, Thaddeus and Athanasius, obtained passage on a boat carrying stone statues from Carrera in Italy (or similar processed stone) to the Holy Land. Athanasius wrote that the two followers obtained passage on such a 'stone boat." It is also recorded that this boat was piloted by 'a follower.' This was a boat for the transporting of stone around the Mediterranean, not a boat MADE literally of stone.
Given this, the fact pattern supports this boat eventually making a regular port call at Tarraco. From there, conjecture has it that Thaddeus and Athanasius had a 'most excellent road trip' by ox cart. Their journey eventually led them, to the first-century Roman settlement at Assegonia (akak Santiago de Compostela).
This is where the combination of facts, legend, and myth combine to form the narrative we all (well most of us) subscribe to today. The Apostles' bones were placed in a family crypt within the first-century villa, owned by one of the nine-families Santiago converted during his first go in Iberia. The rest we all know from more or less documented facts.
Assessment of known facts, lightly documented facts, and logic, permit one to 'connect the dots..." at least IMHO.
So, my submission in support of the prize, is that it was not a boat constructed of stone. It was instead a boat constructed for the transport and trading of stone around the Mediterranean.
See explanation above...
Sorry about the length. Brevity is not among my few virtues...
Hope this helps the dialog.
Quite correct my friend they still make them as they have for the last 50yrs round the corner from our place and they sail very wellPumice?
Surprisingly ferro-cement was a very popular building material for sailing yachts at one time. Out of favour at the moment but plenty of examples still in use even now. A practical material for boat-building.
Tom, I have not read all of this yet, but your intellect is definately shining today!
Hilarious! Seriously or NOT, Rick, you must think you are on that OTHER thread!About the myth of St. James' body being brought to Spain by a stone boat: I've heard that it was due to a mistranslation and that his body was actually transported by a rocket ship.
About the myth of St. James' body being brought to Spain by a stone boat: I've heard that it was due to a mistranslation and that his body was actually transported by a rocket ship.
How generous of you, thank you. I was expecting something like -10 or -20 points.This news has burst my bubble...a sad day indeed! Lol...100 points for you!
Just curious: Did they tell you where the bones of Priscillian and of his mates are resting?I am told
That wasn't my line of thinking when I asked the question. Wouldn't it be interesting to know the whereabouts of Priscillian's relics? He was a contemporary of Saint Martin of Tours. I saw his relics on my way to Santiago ...if one was following the Priscillian substitution theory
I don't mean to sound critical when I say that I always like to know the year when such documents were drawn up and preferably also who wrote them. When I started to have a closer look at things it was really confusing at first: most stories, be it about Saint James, or Charlemagne, or similar figures, are told as a ready made narrative in guidebooks and also other books. Then, slowly, I realised that the event that is presented to us as ready made, was described as such for the first time 400 years after the date when the event supposedly took place. Then I discovered how the narrative that is presented to us as ready-made developed slowly and got modified in numerous ways during the next 200 years. The actual more or less contemporary source for the whole story is perhaps one sentence of meagre content or even less. I find it quite fascinating - more interesting than the narrative itself - but all this takes us far away from contemporary camino myths of the urban kind.There are documents in the Cathedral archives that establish this.
Excuse me I give the points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and nobody gets more than 9.5P.S. Rick, you get 50 points out of 10 for that last post!
Can I get 9.5 five times?Excuse me I give the points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and nobody gets more than 9.5
My opinion is "Yes", but it's all about what @rector wants. He has the final word. (See above.)Can I get 9.5 five times?
True but I am seeing my doctor about that tomorrow and no, no person can get more than 9.5 Do you want to start yet another MythI notice this thread occasionally has been taking a twist and turn back to the serious side.
No, Rick, they purchased their new duds at Decathlon.....duh!Is it just a myth that the pre-Christian pilgrims to Finesterre, after burning their clothes, bought their new duds at El Corte Ingles?
That wasn't my line of thinking when I asked the question. Wouldn't it be interesting to know the whereabouts of Priscillian's relics? He was a contemporary of Saint Martin of Tours. I saw his relics on my way to Santiago ...
So, shall we classify the "Priscillian substitution theory" as a myth within the context of this thread or is it a "nobody really knows issue"?
I don't mean to sound critical when I say that I always like to know the year when such documents were drawn up and preferably also who wrote them. When I started to have a closer look at things it was really confusing at first: most stories, be it about Saint James, or Charlemagne, or similar figures, are told as a ready made narrative in guidebooks and also other books. Then, slowly, I realised that the event that is presented to us as ready made, was described as such for the first time 400 years after the date when the event supposedly took place. Then I discovered how the narrative that is presented to us as ready-made developed slowly and got modified in numerous ways during the next 200 years. The actual more or less contemporary source for the whole story is perhaps one sentence of meagre content or even less. I find it quite fascinating - more interesting than the narrative itself - but all this takes us far away from contemporary camino myths of the urban kind.
True but I am seeing my doctor about that tomorrow and no, no person can get more than 9.5 Do you want to start yet another Myth
I have heard that about the boat somewhere as wellMy mythical observation and contribution is:
Myth - It was not a boat made of stone. This was proven not feasible during the Great War (WWI) when ships were made of cast concrete, as an experiment. The buoyancy needed to navigate does not exist with so great a mass. But, things being what they are, the myth at Muxia is not going away anytime soon.
Myth - If myth #1 above is correct, then the notion of a boat self-navigating the length of the Mediterranean through the Straits of Gibraltar, up the Atlantic Coast, along the Costa de Morte (Coast of Death) into the port of Iria Flavia (Padron) is similarly improbable, albeit very romantic. But, again, be it far from me to dispel a really good story....
Legend - The two followers of St. James, Thaddeus and Athanasius escaped with his remains from Jerusalem to the, then seaport at (what is now) Haifa (IIRC). There, they obtained passage on a boat to convey the Apostle's remains to Iberia. This much was documented by Josephus, the first century historian of all things in that part of the empire... So, while I term it legend, this much may be a documented fact... or at least a historically documented fact...
FACT - At that time in history and throughout the Roman Empire, there were boats stopping at Mediterranean ports all around the Roman Empire, delivering manufactured goods from "Rome" and bringing back raw materials or other products desired from the far flung reaches of the empire. They certainly transited the Mediterranean between the Holy Land, Italy, 'Gaul,' and Iberia (present day Andorra, Portugal and Spain), as well as North Africa. Historical writings depict a regular pattern of port calls and trading relationships within the Roman Empire.
FACT - The, then major Roman port on the Mediterranean for Iberia was the present day Tarragona (nee Tarraco). Even today, this place remains a port city.
FACT - Maps of ancient Roman roads across Spain show one major and several subsidiary Roman Roads leading from the, then major port, of Tarragona across Spain to the region of Lugo, at Asturias. Extensions of these roads connected Iria Flavia (Padron) and the region now called Galicia and that of Santiago de Compostela (nee Assegonia) by the established network of roads for carts and wagons.
Here is a comprehensive map of medieval roads, patterned upon the Roman roads. The bolder green lines are the original Roman roads. The lighter lines are the roads built later, using the Roman Road network at a 'spine.'
http://fabricadesites.fcsh.unl.pt/mercator-e/results-2/medieval-roads/
Here is a 'modern' network representation map, similar to urban metro maps:
https://sashat.me/2018/11/21/roman-roads-of-iberia/
There were even sub-roads, built during Roman times that connected Assegonia (Santiago de Compostela) with Iria Flavia to the south and Lugo, in Asturias, to the north and west.
http://dare.ht.lu.se/
The point is that the facts easily support a cart-based transit of Iberia from the port of Tarraco / Tarragona...
Fact(ish) - told to me personally by the historian of the Cathedral - Records and reasonable conjecture based on known facts, indicate that it is more likely that the two followers of St. James, Thaddeus and Athanasius, obtained passage on a boat carrying stone statues from Carrera in Italy (or similar processed stone) to the Holy Land. Athanasius wrote that the two followers obtained passage on such a 'stone boat." It is also recorded that this boat was piloted by 'a follower.' This was a boat for the transporting of stone around the Mediterranean, not a boat MADE literally of stone.
Given this, the fact pattern supports this boat eventually making a regular port call at Tarraco. From there, conjecture has it that Thaddeus and Athanasius had a 'most excellent road trip' by ox cart. Their journey eventually led them, to the first-century Roman settlement at Assegonia (akak Santiago de Compostela).
This is where the combination of facts, legend, and myth combine to form the narrative we all (well most of us) subscribe to today. The Apostles' bones were placed in a family crypt within the first-century villa, owned by one of the nine-families Santiago converted during his first go in Iberia. The rest we all know from more or less documented facts.
Assessment of known facts, lightly documented facts, and logic, permit one to 'connect the dots..." at least IMHO.
So, my submission in support of the prize, is that it was not a boat constructed of stone. It was instead a boat constructed for the transport and trading of stone around the Mediterranean.
See explanation above...
Sorry about the length. Brevity is not among my few virtues...
Hope this helps the dialog.
The way you are wired, Tom, is what makes you so very informative and helpful to so many. I love reading your posts. It's like going to the library for some detailed research, but I don't have to! ☺
You can’t have....he works in our chip shop!I saw Elvis in Las Vegas last year. I KNOW he is alive!
Myth - The Meseta is enchanting bliss.Myth - The Meseta is an arduos, never ending slog.
Reality - Enchanting bliss.
(Hindsight is a wonderful thing)
Prisicillian?....I thought he was Queen Of The DesertNot that I recall.
I am aware that Priscillian was executed by decapitation / beheading by local authorities in Trier somewhere around AD 385 - 387. His remains were allegedly returned to Galicia around AD 396. Then and there, but I know not exactly WHERE, his remains were venerated by his adherents as a martyr.
This established, I am also aware of the Tracy Saunders book: "Pilgrimage to Heresy." The book is a novel. It postulates that the person buried under the altar at the Cathedral in Santiago de Compostela might be Priscilla and two of his followers and not that of the Apostle Saint James.
A novel is by definition fiction. Fiction is read for entertainment, not historical value. That it is based on documented history is interesting but not categorical. I offer the Dan Brown, professor Robert Langdon character as a prime example of the genre. Interesting and suggestive, but in no way authoritative.
The point at which the two person's presence in Spain converges is the fact that both were executed by having their heads removed using a sword. However, I suspect this is the sole point of intersection. First, some 340 years elapsed from the first decapitation event (James at Jerusalem) to the second (Priscillian at Trier).
What we know about the THREE skeletons discovered in the crypt back in AD 844 includes:
The crypt was in the ruins of a first-century Roman villa owner by a family known to have converted to Christianity. They were supporters of the Apostle James when he was evangelizing in Asturia... There are documents in the Cathedral archives that establish this. I knew the family name, but have since forgotten it. It was told to me.
The present day casket containing all three sets of bones was discovered in this first century crypt. When initially found by the hermit monk / shepard Pelayo, the face covering to the actual burial crypt niche was inscribed in Latin with the words, "Here is Iago..." That is how the initial identification of the Apostle Saint's remains was made around 844. The current hallway passage and walls date from the first century. That is established fact.
From the 1879 (IIRC) medical examination of the three sets of bones in the crypt, we know that one skeleton was of a large, well developed man in his 40s, who had been decapitated by sword. The other two skeletons were of men who apparently died of natural causes in their mid-sixties. Remember that the crypt was in fact inscribed... "Here is Iago..."
This follows the known and assessed, correct pattern of the first set of bones being those of the Apostle Saint, and those of the other two being the remains of Thaddeus and Athanasius. They were thought to have remained in the area following the first internment until they died natural deaths. The villa owners placed their remains in the same crypt as the Apostle Saint.
So, the logical question, if one was following the Priscillian substitution theory, is that this person would have had to be beheaded at around the same age - CHECK - Priscillian was in his mid-40s when executed.
However, the comparison grow thinner from that seemingly reasonable convergence. But, who were Priscillian's followers? Where there two, or more? Who conveyed the body to the first century villa, that, by 396 had been abandoned, overrun, sacked and destroyed by invaders from the north? The Roman family owning the villa originally were long gone.
There was no longer a settlement or village at Assegonia any more. The inhabitants had fled and dispersed so as to not be targets for invaders. Actual knowledge of the first-century internment of the Apostle Saint and his two followers was lost until rediscovery in 844.
While the hypothetical, fictional similarities do indeed exist, if one were to lay in parallel, all known facts and documented data points, I continue to believe that the crypt does indeed contain the Apostle Saint's remains.
As I said above... You either believe or you don't. I believe... That stated, I do respect the right of others to disagree.
Hope this helps the dialog.
From what I remember from what I read when I was last there, pretty much all of the castle that you see and tour was constructed after the Templars were no more. There was one room that they said dated back to the Templars. The rest was later.Boy I fell hard for that one.
It wasn't??!!
Some modern day Pilgrims stink too!I don't believe that's a myth. It's true that pilgrims in the middle ages stunk!
Pumice?
Surprisingly ferro-cement was a very popular building material for sailing yachts at one time. Out of favour at the moment but plenty of examples still in use even now. A practical material for boat-building.
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