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Aren't you from Norway?
However, if you ask me, don't waste any ink or toner. Do as @C clearly advises. Bon voyage!
- If you are flying from Norway, then you should print out EU 2015/1998 plus any national law should Norway have decided to have additional legislation. I won't write out the exact title, you can google it easily. We have it in 23 language versions, unfortunately not in Norwegian as the EU doesn't do translations for our handful of EEA members such as Norway.
- If flying from Spain, you should print out EU 2015/1998 in Spanish plus the national law as published in BOLETÍN OFICIAL DEL ESTADO, 27 de febrero de 2017. Resolución de 10 de febrero de 2017, de la Secretaría General de Transporte, por la que se aprueba la actualización de la parte pública del Programa Nacional de Seguridad para la Aviación Civil. I couldn't find anything else in national law.
Hint: You can save paper if you just print out Attachment 4-C Passengers and cabin baggage - List of prohibited articles. Otherwise it's 142 DIN A4 pages for the complete text of this Implementing Regulation.
@C clearly, thank you for this summary. I would add, for those that want to rely on the absence of a specific exclusion of hiking poles/walking sticks/etc in the legislation of the departure airport, the underlying text in all the legislation that I have looked at is to exclude as cabin baggageThis is a very sensitive topic that starts big arguments here on the forum. Maybe the moderators would like to post a fact sheet or statement when the subject comes up, as it IS a valid and very frequent question. Here are the basic facts without editorial opinion, etc.:
- No poles are allowed through security at Santiago airport, when you are leaving.
- Many or most written guidance documents around the world say "No hiking poles."
- Many or most people who carry foldable/carbon fibre poles are allowed to carry them on.
- Walking aids are permitted if the passenger needs them for mobility.
- If you want to carry your poles into the cabin, no matter what type, go prepared with time and alternative packing plan in case you are not permitted to take them.
- The security agents at the airport have total discretion and it is not a good idea to argue with them.
and the lists of what this might mean in practice are inclusive lists - ie capable of being interpreted to include additional things at the discretion of the person applying the rule.blunt instruments — objects capable of being used to cause serious injury when used to hit
That seems perfectly consistent with the UK Govt advice at https://www.gov.uk/hand-luggage-restrictions/personal-items that says umbrellas are allowed as cabin baggage. They don't care about the colourI did wonder if my metal shaft umbrella was going to get highlighted when I carried it onboard from Sydney to Madrid via the UK, then through Lisbon via Madrid back to the UK, then to Poland and Germany. The umbrella does not retract, is full length and is bright red. I simply carried it under my arm. I was prepared to ditch it if necessary, but it made the journey home without anyone questioning it.
I've been experiencing to many a different policy regarding walking poles as hand luggage...
So...what to do....???
Knock on wood.....this solution has worked on 6 different flights...absolutely no question asked...;
1. A copy of regulations with aftermentioned "dilemma" high lighted with marker pen. (Not used yet!) Ment to take out and show those on watch, prefereable the team supervisor.
"...First and foremost, the TSA regulations themselves say nothing about hiking poles. They say that ski poles are prohibited and walking aids are permitted...."
2. Three piece ALUMINIUM nordic walking poles taken a part and put INSIDE of my rucksack. In other words; six shorter pieces fit just fine and is only visible for scanner personel only.
(If this by any chance strikes out in the future I will bee buying poles in carbon fibre next. I now walkers who have done this investment allready...)
And remember, the personell we meet and speak to.....they do only what theire told to.
Hey presto!
That's a good point. I'll edit my earlier post, if you can give me a source or clarification for this fact.I think such a fact sheet/FAQ is an excellent idea that will benefit the forum. Perhaps add in point 1 the special pilgrim service offered by Santiago airport: every passenger can check in walking poles free of charge, for all airlines and ticket categories.
I've been experiencing to many a different policy regarding walking poles as hand luggage...
So...what to do....???
Knock on wood.....this solution has worked on 6 different flights...absolutely no question asked...;
1. A copy of regulations with aftermentioned "dilemma" high lighted with marker pen. (Not used yet!) Ment to take out and show those on watch, prefereable the team supervisor.
"...First and foremost, the TSA regulations themselves say nothing about hiking poles. They say that ski poles are prohibited and walking aids are permitted...."
2. Three piece ALUMINIUM nordic walking poles taken a part and put INSIDE of my rucksack. In other words; six shorter pieces fit just fine and is only visible for scanner personel only.
(If this by any chance strikes out in the future I will bee buying poles in carbon fibre next. I now walkers who have done this investment allready...)
And remember, the personell we meet and speak to.....they do only what theire told to.
Hey presto!
I've been experiencing to many a different policy regarding walking poles as hand luggage...
So...what to do....???
Knock on wood.....this solution has worked on 6 different flights...absolutely no question asked...;
1. A copy of regulations with aftermentioned "dilemma" high lighted with marker pen. (Not used yet!) Ment to take out and show those on watch, prefereable the team supervisor.
"...First and foremost, the TSA regulations themselves say nothing about hiking poles. They say that ski poles are prohibited and walking aids are permitted...."
2. Three piece ALUMINIUM nordic walking poles taken a part and put INSIDE of my rucksack. In other words; six shorter pieces fit just fine and is only visible for scanner personel only.
(If this by any chance strikes out in the future I will bee buying poles in carbon fibre next. I now walkers who have done this investment allready...)
And remember, the personell we meet and speak to.....they do only what theire told to.
Hey presto!
Have you even considered purchasing a baston or two where ever you start your Caminio? We opted to use these sturdy poles and had no problems whatsoever. Once you get to SDC you can even donate it!
Apologies for this late reply. Here's is what I have:That's a good point. I'll edit my earlier post, if you can give me a source or clarification for this fact.
I check my bag, so wrapping is not too much of an issue. My poles get strapped to the side of my bag using the side compression straps, or if I am going to use a carry bag, they go in there. If a rubber tip is lost, I wouldn't be too fussed, and thus far there has been no damage to the poles even when exposed strapped outside the pack.I'm intrigued about the practicality of checking in poles.
How do people wrap ? Outbound flight is easy but when returning, what materials do you use?
Presumably one doesn't want to carry these.
I don't envisage taking a rucksack where they could be put inside or attached and then wrapped with one of these wrapping services.
Also do they need protection if packed by themselves? By definition they are reasonably sturdy. But you know how airline handlers are always very careful with bags .... not !
Even Ryanair?I think such a fact sheet/FAQ is an excellent idea that will benefit the forum. Perhaps add in point 1 the special pilgrim service offered by Santiago airport: every passenger can check in walking poles free of charge, for all airlines and ticket categories.
special pilgrim service offered by Santiago airport: every passenger can check in walking poles free of charge, for all airlines and ticket categories.
Yes.Even Ryanair?
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