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There are a heap of photos out there, across three Caminos I have 1000's of my own, I have dozens of photos just of storks for instance (I was obsessed by them). And of poppies.Hi, My name is Todd and I am known as Tman in the hiking community.
I have hiked the whole Ice Age National Scenic Trail over several years
and I have photographed the whole 1100 mile trail. I photographed it
at a rate of about 15 photos per mile. That's about 16000 photos.
They are located on my website at www.tmanshikes.com.
Click on photo galleries, then Ice Age Trail.
I also have photographed the entire 800 miles of the
North Country Trail in Minnesota. The photos are at the same
location.
Then, about 4 years ago my sister won a go pro as a prize at work.
She didn't use it and eventually gave it to me. So, over the last three
years I have been doing more videos of the trails instead of photo galleries.
For instance, earlier this year I hiked the route of the North Country Trail
in Southern Michigan, and I did videos showing the route.
They are also shown on my website. The videos are pretty boring
unless you are going to be actually hiking the trail. And they do
a good job of showing the route, for instance, I show every place
the route turns a corner, etc.
Anyway, I'm planning on hiking the Camino Frances next September
and I am wondering if I should go back to photographing the route.
I am not aware that anyone has photographed the whole route. Well, at
least I can't find anything like what I do. I do a very detailed look at the route
and I take a photo of anything that someone might find interesting. I am
showing the route exactly like it is and not being artsy. It's more of a quantity
over quality situation.
At any rate, if I do decide to photograph the entire route, that would potentially
change the way I would hike. For instance, some pilgrims set out in the morning
in the dark. I would have to wait until it is light enough to take photos. I don't expect
it to change to much the gear I take. I would just need to take lots of camera cards
and make sure batteries are charged every night. I would probably need to take
some sort of tablet or Ipad so I can upload stuff to my internet drive.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on this?
Hi Todd, and welcome to the forum!Hi, My name is Todd and I am known as Tman in the hiking community.
Personally I see it as an honest remark. Not everyone wants to be photographed or be around people filming 24/7. Some walking at the same time as the OP will likely feel that way so he might want to know that before doing it. I walked early so I didn’t have to listen to the people who think everyone wants to hear them singing or blasting music. I altered stopping points and sleeping arrangements, or walked doubles to avoid Camino Romeos. I would do my best to either outwalk or drop behind someone filming because I don’t want to be on someone’s webpage.Hi Todd, and welcome to the forum!
As you can see, your post has elicited some strong reactions. We are generally a nice, supportive bunch, but there are a few third rails that will trigger strong opinions that get close to rudeness and I guess you hit on one.
Forum members, even though this may not be your thing, I think that a nicer welcome to a new member, who is probably not as immersed as we are in the “magic of the camino,” would be to reserve some of the strong judgment. Saying that you would wait a day to leave a distance between you and him, but then saying “but of course we all have our reasons” is trying to put a veneer of kindness on top of a very mean remark.
Why, so people can see the camino from end to end. Yes, there are lots of photos out there, but do any of them show the actual route in chronological order? I guess what I am asking for is to have people send me the links to these photo galleriesHi, Todd, and welcome!
I only have one question.
Why?
No seriously, I'm not being flip or critical. There are gazillion videos and photo galleries out there of the Francés already. So here's a chance and challenge:
Just walk.
And see what happens.
At first you'll be thinking of the photos you could be taking, going along framing the view in your mind's eye. But eventually you'll land into the vivid mysterious now of the camino and you'll just feel relief. It's not like any other walk.
Buen camino however you go!
Well, I'm not actually photographing people, I am photographing the route. Did anyone actually go look at how I photographed the IAT? Pretty much the only people I photographed were people I was hiking with or people that I asked. I know that the camino has more people, but that doesn't mean people will actually recognize someone.Not everyone wants to be photographed or be around people filming 24/7.
I believe that’s what some of us said—it’s not being mean to say we’d get ahead of or behind that activity—it’s a statement of fact. CCTV footage isn’t generally posted on someone’s website where others will be repeatedly referred. People are free to film and photograph others, but imho don’t publish photos that clearly show faces without asking. Something lost on the social media generation. On re-reading the OP won’t be using his video, so it would be easier for him to avoid taking pictures of others who don’t want to be photographed. I’m not interested enough in others photos to go to websites to view them but that’s me. If the question is “would we be excited to see his photos of the Camino on his website” the answer is probably no. If he wants to take them for his own enjoyment go for it. People who don’t want to end up on his website may very well avoid him.anyone has a problem with being filmed then I would suggest they avoid the circumstance
Smell the rosesHi, Todd, and welcome!
I only have one question.
Why?
No seriously, I'm not being flip or critical. There are gazillion videos and photo galleries out there of the Francés already. So here's a chance and challenge:
Just walk.
And see what happens.
At first you'll be thinking of the photos you could be taking, going along framing the view in your mind's eye. But eventually you'll land into the vivid mysterious now of the camino and you'll just feel relief. It's not like any other walk.
Buen camino however you go!
Wrong, social media is awash with cctv footage.CCTV footage isn’t generally posted on someone’s website where others will be repeatedly referred.
Not photos but videos. A pilgrim named BK Lee recorded his walk from SJPP to Finisterre-Muxia. 34 videos, many of them 5-6 hours long. See link below. My memory is hazy but I think there is a forum member who did the same.do any of them show the actual route in chronological order? I guess what I am asking for is to have people send me the links to these photo galleries
Battered wives, and trafficked women and children tend to be paranoid. Undocumented people also. I try to not be judgmental tbh—no one needs to explain to anyone why they don’t want to be photographed or end up on someone’s vanity page.Wrong, social media is awash with cctv footage.
The point I was making is that I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with someone taking photos that they might be in unless they are on the 10 most wanted list or in witness protection, I find it a bit paranoid tbh.
Anyone can photograph or film in a public place. They do not need permission
Definitely enjoy all of Efren’s work. His Frances series, I think, has been the key motivator for our first Camino which starts next week!Also Efren González is a well known YouTube vlogger with dozens of videos of different Caminos.
I would say, don't bother...unless you are doing it as a personal record of your trip. Much of the scenery along the Camino is pretty much the same and, quite frankly, rather monotonous. Besides, Google has already done it:Hi, My name is Todd and I am known as Tman in the hiking community.
I have hiked the whole Ice Age National Scenic Trail over several years
and I have photographed the whole 1100 mile trail. I photographed it
at a rate of about 15 photos per mile. That's about 16000 photos.
They are located on my website at www.tmanshikes.com.
Click on photo galleries, then Ice Age Trail.
I also have photographed the entire 800 miles of the
North Country Trail in Minnesota. The photos are at the same
location.
Then, about 4 years ago my sister won a go pro as a prize at work.
She didn't use it and eventually gave it to me. So, over the last three
years I have been doing more videos of the trails instead of photo galleries.
For instance, earlier this year I hiked the route of the North Country Trail
in Southern Michigan, and I did videos showing the route.
They are also shown on my website. The videos are pretty boring
unless you are going to be actually hiking the trail. And they do
a good job of showing the route, for instance, I show every place
the route turns a corner, etc.
Anyway, I'm planning on hiking the Camino Frances next September
and I am wondering if I should go back to photographing the route.
I am not aware that anyone has photographed the whole route. Well, at
least I can't find anything like what I do. I do a very detailed look at the route
and I take a photo of anything that someone might find interesting. I am
showing the route exactly like it is and not being artsy. It's more of a quantity
over quality situation.
At any rate, if I do decide to photograph the entire route, that would potentially
change the way I would hike. For instance, some pilgrims set out in the morning
in the dark. I would have to wait until it is light enough to take photos. I don't expect
it to change to much the gear I take. I would just need to take lots of camera cards
and make sure batteries are charged every night. I would probably need to take
some sort of tablet or Ipad so I can upload stuff to my internet drive.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on this?
Hi Todd, welcome to the forum. Apart from the 1000s of photos that have been taken by members of the forum, this has actually been done before. If you follow the Camino Francés in www.walking4fun you can follow the entire trail by photos, roughly 3 per mile. Don't let that stop you, you're bound to have some different shots. If pilgrims don't want to have the surprise of discovery taken from them, then they don't need to look at your photos until afterwards. I do think that photographs would be preferable to a video. Good luck.Hi, My name is Todd and I am known as Tman in the hiking community.
I have hiked the whole Ice Age National Scenic Trail over several years
and I have photographed the whole 1100 mile trail. I photographed it
at a rate of about 15 photos per mile. That's about 16000 photos.
They are located on my website at www.tmanshikes.com.
Click on photo galleries, then Ice Age Trail.
I also have photographed the entire 800 miles of the
North Country Trail in Minnesota. The photos are at the same
location.
Then, about 4 years ago my sister won a go pro as a prize at work.
She didn't use it and eventually gave it to me. So, over the last three
years I have been doing more videos of the trails instead of photo galleries.
For instance, earlier this year I hiked the route of the North Country Trail
in Southern Michigan, and I did videos showing the route.
They are also shown on my website. The videos are pretty boring
unless you are going to be actually hiking the trail. And they do
a good job of showing the route, for instance, I show every place
the route turns a corner, etc.
Anyway, I'm planning on hiking the Camino Frances next September
and I am wondering if I should go back to photographing the route.
I am not aware that anyone has photographed the whole route. Well, at
least I can't find anything like what I do. I do a very detailed look at the route
and I take a photo of anything that someone might find interesting. I am
showing the route exactly like it is and not being artsy. It's more of a quantity
over quality situation.
At any rate, if I do decide to photograph the entire route, that would potentially
change the way I would hike. For instance, some pilgrims set out in the morning
in the dark. I would have to wait until it is light enough to take photos. I don't expect
it to change to much the gear I take. I would just need to take lots of camera cards
and make sure batteries are charged every night. I would probably need to take
some sort of tablet or Ipad so I can upload stuff to my internet drive.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on this?
Hi @isawtman. I looked at your websites. Came away a bit puzzled. Some quite interesting well framed photos and a lot of pictures of tree, trails and rocks devoid of narrative or context. I guess if I was walking those trail segments carrying an electronic device loaded with your pictures I could gain some context but still no narrative. I can't see that they would be a navigational aid for instance.Well, I'm not actually photographing people, I am photographing the route. Did anyone actually go look at how I photographed the IAT? Pretty much the only people I photographed were people I was hiking with or people that I asked. I know that the camino has more people, but that doesn't mean people will actually recognize someone.
Here's the siteIf you follow the Camino Francés in www.walking4fun you can follow the entire trail by photos, roughly 3 per mile
@wayfarer I don't think that I have ever disagreed with you before but have strong feelings about the use of photographs online. Long time ago my eyes were opened to the shortcomings of the 'one size fits all' assumption when reading about nativity plays on Mumsnet for a project I was working on and although familiar with the contemporary trend to video record such children's performances, I hadn't realised that some mothers were very afraid of their children being identified through the uploading of the pictures on the internet. This was, as they teachers and social workers explained, because it might provide information which could lead to estranged and abusive partners identifying the family's present location. Some peregrinas on this forum (perhaps also peregrinos) have been on the receiving end of criminal stalking behaviour online and in person resulting in court orders for the perpetrator to desist. As a result, not through paranoia but based on personal experience, some of us choose very seriously not to have our images uploaded on to any website. Permission to reproduce images might be legal but to do so without the person's permission in the present climate of increasing violence against women (in particular) is not without its dangers.Wrong, social media is awash with cctv footage.
The point I was making is that I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with someone taking photos that they might be in unless they are on the 10 most wanted list or in witness protection, I find it a bit paranoid tbh.
Wrong, social media is awash with cctv footage.
The point I was making is that I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with someone taking photos that they might be in unless they are on the 10 most wanted list or in witness protection, I find it a bit paranoid tbh.
I think It would make a wonderful document. Maybe more valuable in a hundred years to historians. I think the Camino can be a vehicle and inspiration for many things, including art and document making.Why, so people can see the camino from end to end. Yes, there are lots of photos out there, but do any of them show the actual route in chronological order? I guess what I am asking for is to have people send me the links to these photo galleries
I don't know about Europe, but in the US from a legal standpoint, anybody can take a casual photo of anybody in public with no restrictions. Can you imagine the enforcement nightmare if it wasn't so?True.
But it brings me to my general question I have ( and I believe I already had some private conversations with moderators about this subject ) regarding the posting of pictures of people on a general forum when they did not give explicite permission to do so?
I only ask this because of the GDPR rules in Europe that , frankly, are still very confusing to me.
Again, not in any way a criticism to the OP of this particular thread! If anything, it is a good start to have this type of discussion ( provided that everyone here keeps it civil and nice ).
When I see on a Camino ( or in daily life ) that I am in a " general " picture someone is taking then I politely ask to wait till I am out of sight and would they please redo that one. Always get a positive response.
I don't know about Europe, but in the US from a legal standpoint, anybody can take a casual photo of anybody in public with no restrictions. Can you imagine the enforcement nightmare if it wasn't so?
One does control one's likeness for commercial purposes, though. I would imagine it's the same everywhere.
Obviously if someone asks you not to photograph them, almost everybody would happily oblige.
Europe is ahead of the US in this regard although we are catching up…As for permission—ask first, which is easier with camera than Go Pro. If filming, expect some people to avoid you. There’s just no reason to post a picture of someone’s face without permission. None. Wait until they are out of the scene. As I’ve said, there are many reasons regarding safety that are none of anyone’s business, period. there have been cases where women’s faces were photoshopped into porn. Stalkers. Abusive ex’s. Or they just don’t want their picture taken. All of these are reasons to ask first. Or better yet, wait until they are out of the frame.This week I have a meeting at work regarding GDPR ( mailings , clean desk issues etc ) and I hope one of the " specialists " can shine some light regarding casaul photos etc.
In the European GDPR legslation there is a part that states " the right to be forgotten online "...Again...have to study it lots more!
Here's the site
Camino de Santiago | Walking 4 Fun
A virtual walk along the world-famous Camino de Santiago could burn nearly 20 pounds of body fat. Get started here with one of two different routes to choose from!www.walking4fun.com
I don't find that option there. I even created an account? What did I miss? A direct link?@
Hi Todd, welcome to the forum. Apart from the 1000s of photos that have been taken by members of the forum, this has actually been done before. If you follow the Camino Francés in www.walking4fun you can follow the entire trail by photos, roughly 3 per mile. Don't let that stop you, you're bound to have some different shots. If pilgrims don't want to have the surprise of discovery taken from them, then they don't need to look at your photos until afterwards. I do think that photographs would be preferable to a video. Good luck.
I walk frequently in the English Lake District. Last year on top of what we fondly refer to as ‘mountains’ here (Circa 2800 feet in this case), I was just taking a moment and feeling the effort, when over the rise strides a chap carrying a WWll HF radio set; weighing 56 pounds at least. His personal challenge was to contact other like-minded masochists on other similar hills every Saturday.Hi, My name is Todd and I am known as Tman in the hiking community.
I have hiked the whole Ice Age National Scenic Trail over several years
and I have photographed the whole 1100 mile trail. I photographed it
at a rate of about 15 photos per mile. That's about 16000 photos.
They are located on my website at www.tmanshikes.com.
Click on photo galleries, then Ice Age Trail.
I also have photographed the entire 800 miles of the
North Country Trail in Minnesota. The photos are at the same
location.
Then, about 4 years ago my sister won a go pro as a prize at work.
She didn't use it and eventually gave it to me. So, over the last three
years I have been doing more videos of the trails instead of photo galleries.
For instance, earlier this year I hiked the route of the North Country Trail
in Southern Michigan, and I did videos showing the route.
They are also shown on my website. The videos are pretty boring
unless you are going to be actually hiking the trail. And they do
a good job of showing the route, for instance, I show every place
the route turns a corner, etc.
Anyway, I'm planning on hiking the Camino Frances next September
and I am wondering if I should go back to photographing the route.
I am not aware that anyone has photographed the whole route. Well, at
least I can't find anything like what I do. I do a very detailed look at the route
and I take a photo of anything that someone might find interesting. I am
showing the route exactly like it is and not being artsy. It's more of a quantity
over quality situation.
At any rate, if I do decide to photograph the entire route, that would potentially
change the way I would hike. For instance, some pilgrims set out in the morning
in the dark. I would have to wait until it is light enough to take photos. I don't expect
it to change to much the gear I take. I would just need to take lots of camera cards
and make sure batteries are charged every night. I would probably need to take
some sort of tablet or Ipad so I can upload stuff to my internet drive.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on this?
Thanks for letting me have the last word.I think its more than time to lock this thread.
Apologies to the OP.
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