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If I understand it correctly, just after the Vasco de Gama bridge, instead of turning left to Sacavém as the old route did, the new route continues along the river.I’m not exactly sure where the “new” route breaks off outside of Lisbon.
Possibly train back to Lisbon from Povoa de Santa IriaUnless I have missed something
If the albergue has closed at Alpriate where is the best accommodation
This one? Just copied and pasted this. If you go to your profile, you can search your activity.We have just done this a few days ago - I posted on an older thread about the new route - maybe one of the moderators can find it and link so I don't have to rewrite it. We are currently in Valada
Correct. Just walked through 5 days ago. Looks like at least abother month before it will be open.If I understand it correctly, just after the Vasco de Gama bridge, instead of turning left to Sacavém as the old route did, the new route continues along the river.
I walked this route in 2018 and there was hardly any support until Azambuja. I'd love to do the Fatima trip again but next time I would take the train to Santarem and walk from there. The Fatima route is well signpostedIs there any current information on the new Riverside exit out of Lisbon? My husband are already booked to arrive in Lisbon in early September. We plan to walk from Lisbon to Fatima and then onwards from there (we have 3 weeks in total). We are very confused about the route out of Lisbon and places to stay along the way, especially for the first couple of nights. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
As multiple posts above yours state, it won’t be ready until after World Youth Day in August.Any news about the new stretch , still working on it or are they done with it ?
Ah oki , we will start from Lisbon 20/8 so fingers crossedAs multiple posts above yours state, it won’t be ready until after World Youth Day in August.
Any idea what that does to distances on the first day? Do you know if people will still be walking through Alpriate? Or where they will go once they get across the new bridge?According to this new story, you can walk to/across the bridge, but can't go any further because the new riverside boardwalk is not complete in the next municipality beyond Lisbon (Loures).
It could be because it's from Twitter, which is pretty unpredictable these days. I've included a screenshot instead. Shows the mass of participants just as well as a video!Sorry but I can’t see a video ?
Great questions. Is there any firm answers to these yet?Any idea what that does to distances on the first day? Do you know if people will still be walking through Alpriate? Or where they will go once they get across the new bridge?
People won't be walking through Alpriate anymore, the new route does not go through there and the albergue there is permanently closed. For distance, IIRC we have heard that it will be 8km less to reach Alverca but looking at a map, that seems optimistic. Crossing the new bridge, the route will continue close to the river rather than the more inland route through Alpriate.Great questions. Is there any firm answers to these yet?
Thanks, Nick,People won't be walking through Alpriate anymore, the new route does not go through there and the albergue there is permanently closed. For distance, IIRC we have heard that it will be 8km less to reach Alverca but looking at a map, that seems optimistic. Crossing the new bridge, the route will continue close to the river rather than the more inland route through Alpriate.
I live in Lisbon and if the new route is ready within the next month, I'll try to walk it one day and provide a report here.
Thank you so much, Nick! All of your efforts are greatly appreciated and make a positive difference to our Caminos! <3People won't be walking through Alpriate anymore, the new route does not go through there and the albergue there is permanently closed. For distance, IIRC we have heard that it will be 8km less to reach Alverca but looking at a map, that seems optimistic. Crossing the new bridge, the route will continue close to the river rather than the more inland route through Alpriate.
I live in Lisbon and if the new route is ready within the next month, I'll try to walk it one day and provide a report here.
We look forward to following your progress!Me and my wife will start 20/8 from Lisbon and we have planned to walk to Vila Franca de Xira , might have to change plans a bit if its not possible to walk the new strech . Will report how the first day ended
I reckon the new boardwalk will shorten the original route by about 5km.Any idea what that does to distances on the first day? Do you know if people will still be walking through Alpriate? Or where they will go once they get across the new bridge?
I’ll be starting out from Lisbon on Aug 19th. I’ll be looking forward to your report as well.Will be walking from Lisbon starting own 15 Aug. Will let you know.
Also very interested in progress report as well... starting from Lisbon on Sept 11I’ll be starting out from Lisbon on the 19th. I’ll be looking forward to your report as well.
It appears that CAshworth will be setting out tomorrow (Aug 15th), so we'll have an earlier answer to the million dollar question.Well, as a non-expert but now experienced observer of Portuguese bureaucracy, my guess that the story I posted above is written from a press release.
The reality is likely to be: the official opening of the park, with everything completed, will not happen till early 2024.
I would guess the route north, which is actually to the river-side of the big park they're talking about, is walkable now, but not "officially" open.
See the following screenshot from GoogleMaps, taken in August 2023 so presumably in the last 2 weeks; showing the north end of the new bridge. The boardwalk through the marsh/estuary next to the river seems to be complete (to the right).
There does seem to be a lightweight net at the end of the bridge and a sign suggesting "no walkers," but my suspicion is that may be gone by now, since the World Youth Day included some pilgrimage to Fátima.
On the other hand, you don't want to get halfway along there and find that it ISN'T finished, and then you have to back-track. If @jungleboy does check it out in the next couple of weeks, everyone should have a clearer sense of what's going on.
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EnjoyI am starting today and spent most of yesterday trying to find a newer guidebook. No success anywhere, which i found funny but not surprising.
So i will be walking with my 2015 edition.
Starting in Lisbon at the Cathedral.
If i find this new route i will let you know.
Curious are there still pilgrims out there who walk without phones, making bookings and using just the guidebook walking in the moment??
Hope to meet some lovely people on the way...my last hike was remote and isolated (Wales Coast Path), so Im looking forward another magical Camino experience.
Buen Camino! Thank you for the update!Hi All,
Drum roll please......
Aug 17th 2023
New route is NOT open yet. Only can walk on the fresh, new wooden bridge. No dates or any other info, sorry.
Currently sipping iced tea and eating ice blocks in the vibey cafe in Aliprate. Its warm out but a lovely cool breeze.
PS i got a guidebook. At the Cathedral on my way out i tried my luck (in case) and seems the lady the day before had no idea bevause they do indeed sell them
So got a new edition for maps but love my 2015 for notes, reflections.
PpS. I absolutely have been loving this start i cant believe people skip it.
I have the same question.So where are you staying?
Sad to say that while the new bridge is open, the walkway once you cross the bridge is still closed. So no path that way yet as of Aug 16.I’ll be starting out from Lisbon on Aug 19th. I’ll be looking forward to your report as well.
Me too! I’m on the same path and sounds like one day ahead of you. Loving this trail so far. So glad I chose to start in Lisbon.Buen Camino! Thank you for the update!
Where did you stay on the first day after Lisbon?Me too! I’m on the same path and sounds like one day ahead of you. Loving this trail so far. So glad I chose to start in Lisbon.
thank you for the update & photo. Since Walkway after the bridge is still closed assume you had to backtrack back over the bridge to continue on the Camino path through Alpriate?Sad to say that while the new bridge is open, the walkway once you cross the bridge is still closed. So no path that way yet as of Aug 16.
Verdelha. The path off the Camino is short and easy to get to.Where did you stay on the first day after Lisbon?
Correct. The wooden esplanade along the water looks ready, but it’s still fenced off with a chain link fence. However, the walk to Alpriate runs on a dirt trail along an estuary. It was quite lovely and off from the roads.thank you for the update & photo. Since Walkway after the bridge is still closed assume you had to backtrack back over the bridge to continue on the Camino path through Alpriate?
I truely value a boardwalk in an appropriate location - an area of ecological interest that needs special protection, or bridging over a particularly wet/ muddy and)or dangerous section (like on the Camino Verde for instance).I know people are keen to walk the new bridge and boardwalk, However, having walked to Granja and Alpriate with great solitude I think this route will still be preferable to miles of unrelenting boardwalk. If I was doing the CP again I would follow the original route.
I recognise everyone will have their own view.
That is good news as I head out on that way September 30. Thanks for the update.It looks as though they officially opened the path along the river from the Oriente (Parque de Nações) to Vila Franca de Xira according to a Facebook post from the Junta (translation below):
“Walkway inaugurated
As of today, Parque das Nações residents and other visitors have another destination for walking, jogging or cycling.
More than two months after the inauguration of the Cyclopedestrian Bridge built by the Lisbon City Council, there is now a connection on the north bank.
It is now possible to go from Parque das Nações to Vila Franca de Xira, almost always by the river.
This will also be a link that integrates the Fátima and Santiago paths, allowing pilgrims to make their way more safely and with fewer risks.”
Please post your experience when you walk this way.That is good news as I head out on that way September 30. Thanks for the update.
I will.Please post your experience when you walk this way.
Id be keen to know what town you plan on staying in for the first night ? And how many kms from the start in Lisbon?Please post your experience when you walk this way.
I will be up all day on the 29th, fly all night and arrive in Lisbon at 6am. My plan is to walk from the airport to downtown, do a few things I want to do, head to the cathedral to get my stamp and then walk 7 miles up the river to a hotel in the parque das nações area. That first day will be a long one, but, I hope to be excited.Id be keen to know what town you plan on staying in for the first night ? And how many kms from the start in Lisbon?
I look forward to your posts. I arrive in Lisbon on the 1st and plan to walk the new route to Alverca do Ribatejo that dayI will be up all day on the 29th, fly all night and arrive in Lisbon at 6am. My plan is to walk from the airport to downtown, do a few things I want to do, head to the cathedral to get my stamp and then walk 7 miles up the river to a hotel in the parque das nações area. That first day will be a long one, but, I hope to be excited.
Hope our paths cross, George. Buen camino.I look forward to your posts. I arrive in Lisbon on the 1st and plan to walk the new route to Alverca do Ribatejo that day
That makes more sense to me. It sounds like the plants are more likely to be reeds than bushes or trees. Were they tall enough to block the view of the river? I recall that in another section of walking near the river on the first couple of days, there were quite tall reeds in some stretches, and perhaps some bamboo as well tall enough to block the view of the river.Thanks for your interest dougfitz. I knew someone would ask about this! For mangrove please read, "plant that grows in tidal mud."
The only mangroves I am familiar with and have seen are in the coastal areas of Florida and the Caribbean islands. I never think of them in Spain's rivers. I often learn something new on this forum...like now.Thanks for your interest dougfitz. I knew someone would ask about this! For mangrove please read, "plant that grows in tidal mud."
Nor Portugal's, perhaps!! We are discussing the Rio Tejo leaving LisbonI never think of them in Spain's rivers.
I could see the river at all times, and also the shipping containers across the other side. That boardwalk rises up when crossing tributary streams so at times is quite high.That makes more sense to me. It sounds like the plants are more likely to be reeds than bushes or trees. Were they tall enough to block the view of the river? I recall that in another section of walking near the river on the first couple of days, there were quite tall reeds in some stretches, and perhaps some bamboo as well tall enough to block the view of the river.
if you ever do the Nascente from the Faro area, you may see flamingos down in the salt pans near there.Also the first and probably last time I will see flamingos on a Camino!?
It's open now - see post #70, 80, & 81.so no new updates on when the new route will finally be open ?
Here’s the new path on Relive. It was a good, long walk on a hot, hot day.Are there any updates on the new camino route out of Lisbon. Last I recall it was not going to open until the pope's visit. Since this is a public works project and not directly being built for the camino, are locals already using it? I am arriving in Lisbon on Wednesday and will walk that day to the Parque Nacoes area. Looking to see if there are any options for my Thursday trek.
Thank you
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