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Permethrin is not a bed bug spray. It does nothing to them.Hi guys, I'm in the uk and having trouble finding the bed bug spray (permithen, I think). Any ideas where to find this please.
Thanks in advance
Sallyann
Amazon and its already in the proper diluted solution amount. It seemed to work for us contrary to what some may say.Hi guys, I'm in the uk and having trouble finding the bed bug spray (permithen, I think). Any ideas where to find this please.
Thanks in advance
Sallyann
Great info... Thanks !
Permithrin may not be a repellant, but it is still one of the most effective insecticides for treating bed bugs. Its effects are not instantaneous, so it is unlikely that you will see dead bed bugs on beds in the morning even if there were bed bugs present. They may have time to feed and return to shelter before death.Permethrin is not a bed bug spray. It does nothing to them.
That's correct. It will eventually kill them. But it does the pilgrim who is using it no good. The benefit might go to the next guy or galPermithrin may not be a repellant, but it is still one of the most effective insecticides for treating bed bugs. Its effects are not instantaneous, so it is unlikely that you will see dead bed bugs on beds in the morning even if there were bed bugs present. They may have time to feed and return to shelter before death.
If your pack and sleeping bag/liner/quilt were treated with permethrin wouldn't it kill the little buggers while they were in your pack, keeping them from spreading?That's correct. It will eventually kill them. But it does the pilgrim who is using it no good. The benefit might go to the next guy or gal
I didn't bother with anything and survived to tell the story
Probably. It will eventually get into their nervous system and kill them.If your pack and sleeping bag/liner/quilt were treated with permethrin wouldn't it kill the little buggers while they were in your pack, keeping them from spreading?
Permethrin is not a bed bug spray. It does nothing to them.
That's correct. It will eventually kill them. But it does the pilgrim who is using it no good. The benefit might go to the next guy or gal
I didn't bother with anything and survived to tell the story
Walked the Frances in early spring this year and was impressed by how many albergue mattresses and pillows were enclosed in plastic. Very different to when I walked it in autumn 2015.
To me the plastic covers seemed like fantastic bed bug prevention. Am happy to be contradicted because I am not an expert.
PS In my experience the municipals had the best mattresses and pillows with the new plastic covers. The (more expensive) private alburgues, not as often but several did have the plastic covers and presumably if the plastic works it will spread because surely it is cheaper to prevent an infestation.
I loved the plastic covers. Mind you didn't get bed bugs this time or last time and no treatments
Walked the Frances in early spring this year and was impressed by how many albergue mattresses and pillows were enclosed in plastic. Very different to when I walked it in autumn 2015.
To me the plastic covers seemed like fantastic bed bug prevention. Am happy to be contradicted because I am not an expert.
PS In my experience the municipals had the best mattresses and pillows with the new plastic covers. The (more expensive) private alburgues, not as often but several did have the plastic covers and presumably if the plastic works it will spread because surely it is cheaper to prevent an infestation.
I loved the plastic covers. Mind you didn't get bed bugs this time or last time and no treatments
Hi Annie, so as someone very experienced then you'd recommend I spray my pack and sleep liner with that Permethrin stuff before I go then?.. ThanksHaving walked the Camino for many years, I've seen MANY people infected with bedbugs and though sometimes it's like nothing more than a mosquito bite, other times, it's sent people to hospital.
I've seen people really suffer after being pretty much eaten alive by the danged critters.
Getting them or not getting them is a crap shoot, in my opinion.
If you never saw a bedbug, that's wonderful for you.
If you choose not to treat, that's your choice.
I've only been bitten once, and that was on my first Camino, before I began treating the outside of my pack and sleeping bag.
Everyone has had their own personal experience with bedbugs.
Like shoes, there is no one-size-fits-all.
I do see them more and more each year.
Having walked the Camino for many years, I've seen MANY people infected with bedbugs and though sometimes it's like nothing more than a mosquito bite, other times, it's sent people to hospital.
I've seen people really suffer after being pretty much eaten alive by the danged critters.
Getting them or not getting them is a crap shoot, in my opinion.
If you never saw a bedbug, that's wonderful for you.
If you choose not to treat, that's your choice.
I've only been bitten once, and that was on my first Camino, before I began treating the outside of my pack and sleeping bag.
Everyone has had their own personal experience with bedbugs.
Like shoes, there is no one-size-fits-all.
I do see them more and more each year.
My husband is a chemist, actually. The general scientific view is that it does NOT work. People need to do what they want to do. If putting Permethrin on your gear makes you feel good. Then do it. Believe what you will.Is this based on personal experience, or are you a chemist? Just curious, as the general view is that it works.
I won't bother treating my gear next time if it is proven to be ineffective.
Heat-treatment is the only certain way to prevent them coming home. 20 minutes or so at a temperature of 50C, or several days at -17C or less, will kill bed bugs at all life stages. See this guide by @SYates .My concern is not the bites. They are less annoying than mosquito bites.
My concern is taking them home!
. . . and as much as I hate the thought of people sleeping in Permethrin treated sleeping bags or sheets if it prevents the creatures from entering my house . . . I don't know.
My concern is not the bites. They are less annoying than mosquito bites.
My concern is taking them home!
. . . and as much as I hate the thought of people sleeping in Permethrin treated sleeping bags or sheets if it prevents the creatures from entering my house . . . I don't know.
Hi Annie, so as someone very experienced then you'd recommend I spray my pack and sleep liner with that Permethrin stuff before I go then?.. Thanks
They may be less annoying that mosquito bites to YOU!
But not to everyone.
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Heck, there are still people out there who think you can catch a cold from getting wet.
My concern is not the bites. They are less annoying than mosquito bites.
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For clarity, it is correct that it is not thought to "work" as a deterrent or repellent, which is what people on the Camino are hoping for when they spray their packs in advance. However, it does generally work to kill insects after direct contact.The general scientific view is that it does NOT work
Is this based on personal experience, or are you a chemist? Just curious, as the general view is that it works.
I won't bother treating my gear next time if it is proven to be ineffective.
My husband is a chemist, actually. The general scientific view is that it does NOT work. People need to do what they want to do. If putting Permethrin on your gear makes you feel good. Then do it. Believe what you will.
Not for everyone, unfortunately. If you are allergic to them, it's NOT good!
How can we bring it? Can we put it in our bag when traveling in airplane?REI, under the name Sawyer's.
Amazon.
Your local vet or farm supply store.
Permethrin does work, but it should be applied pre-trip.Permethrin is not a bed bug spray. It does nothing to them.
Interestingly, during my Camino last month, I didn't once think about bed bugs. Looking at the bed was enough to know that there was no infestation along the Primitivo.
Is it allowed to carry it ?How can we bring it? Can we put it in our bag when traveling in airplane?
How can we bring it? Can we put it in our bag when traveling in airplane?
Is it allowed to carry it ?
How can we bring it? Can we put it in our bag when traveling in airplane?
I have just posted a new resource on identifying the signs of bedbugs. When you get your eye in for the signs, you can feel more confident in your ability to check for them, and not worry.
I have a cat: some one said that it would hurt cat.You don't bring it on the Camino with you. You must apply it to your sleeping bag, backpack, etc., before you leave home. You must be careful when you spray it, and let it dry completely before using the items that you spray it on.
Their claims relate to mosquitoes and the few studies do not demonstrate clear effectiveness anyway.There is a company named Insect Shield that makes clothes and sleep sacks with Permitherin IN the fibers! They also collaborate with a company called Craghoppers to make clothes with Permitherin! It is AWESOME!!!!
Spray it outside, and let it dry, then don't let the cat near the sprayed items.I have a cat: some one said that it would hurt cat.
You have to click on the button to go to the external website. I added it because the 'false signs' gallery is particularly instructive in getting your eye in.I don't see the photos
It is more effective to become educated about the signs and check on arrival, than it is dousing everything in chemicals and hoping for the best. It is also more helpful to accommodation owners if everyone is vigilant and reports small infestations before they spread, rather than just driving bugs around the building with a range of deterrents.
Their claims relate to mosquitoes and the few studies do not demonstrate clear effectiveness anyway.
OK - now home. The stuff I used is sold as "Debugger Spray" (product company "Equip"); The active constituent 0.3g/L Permethrin (25.75 ml in a 250ml pack). It is sold as an insect repellent from a range of insects (inc: mosquitos) used on bedding, mosquito nets. Effective for up to three months. (for Australians its available from better outdoor stores).If your pack and sleeping bag/liner/quilt were treated with permethrin wouldn't it kill the little buggers while they were in your pack, keeping them from spreading?
Thanks notion900. It would be really proactive IF ALL albergues could post such or similar notices AND their policy on helping ANY pilgrims who advise that they think they or their gear is infected. (please don't tell that ALL albergues will help - I have first hand experience that they do not.)I have just posted a new resource on identifying the signs of bedbugs. When you get your eye in for the signs, you can feel more confident in your ability to check for them, and not worry.
It appears that Equip might be responsible for some confusion here by suggesting their permethrin spray will repel insects. Permethrin is an insecticide, not a repellent.OK - now home. The stuff I used is sold as "Debugger Spray" (product company "Equip"); The active constituent 0.3g/L Permethrin (25.75 ml in a 250ml pack). It is sold as an insect repellent from a range of insects (inc: mosquitos) used on bedding, mosquito nets. Effective for up to three months. (for Australians its available from better outdoor stores).
Hi There, I sprayed my pack with all natural, non-toxic pepperment oil. I found it in a travel store. Guess it worked, because I never saw a bedbug in 3 trips across.Hi guys, I'm in the uk and having trouble finding the bed bug spray (permithen, I think). Any ideas where to find this please.
Thanks in advance
Sallyann
Four Camino's and I have not met my first bed bug. What am I doing wrong? ....
Hi There, I sprayed my pack with all natural, non-toxic pepperment oil. I found it in a travel store. Guess it worked, because I never saw a bedbug in 3 trips across.
The difficulty is that none of us can really say anything about the efficacy of these remedies without knowing there were bed bugs to deter, and if I knew that, I wouldn't be staying anyway.This is when I usually mention Tea Tree Oil. It seems to have worked; was recommended by a farmacia on the camino (they might have some experience). And sleeping in neurotoxins scares the heck out of me
Sallyann, you can actually purchase it at a pharmacy in Spain! Buen Camino1Hi guys, I'm in the uk and having trouble finding the bed bug spray (permithen, I think). Any ideas where to find this please.
Thanks in advance
Sallyann
This is dissappointing news. I used permathrin 3 times now and always felt cozy and protected from those critters tucked into my sleeping bag and slept in peace...now I'm not so sure about that.Permithrin may not be a repellant, but it is still one of the most effective insecticides for treating bed bugs. Its effects are not instantaneous, so it is unlikely that you will see dead bed bugs on beds in the morning even if there were bed bugs present. They may have time to feed and return to shelter before death.
This is dissappointing news. I used permathrin 3 times now and always felt cozy and protected from those critters as I tucked myself into my sleeping bag and slept in peace...now I'm not so sure about that.Permithrin may not be a repellant, but it is still one of the most effective insecticides for treating bed bugs. Its effects are not instantaneous, so it is unlikely that you will see dead bed bugs on beds in the morning even if there were bed bugs present. They may have time to feed and return to shelter before death.
I think I bought this from the Internet. Or we are just off J26 of the M5 if you want to spray your clothesHi guys, I'm in the uk and having trouble finding the bed bug spray (permithen, I think). Any ideas where to find this please.
Thanks in advance
Sallyann
That looks so painfulThey may be less annoying that mosquito bites to YOU!
But not to everyone.
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That looks so painful
I hung my pack and my sleeping bag out on a line in the back yard and sprayed it well on a non-windy day.I have a cat: some one said that it would hurt cat.
Pyrethrum is the plant extract, and my recollection is that there are pyrethim based products sold in France as insecticides. Of course, one would not expect insecticides to necessarily be effective against arachnids, and equally one should observe the handling precautions when applying any permethrin based product. Cats and fish are particularly at risk, and they work on any insect, including the beneficial ones like bees.I believe Permethrin spray is composed of Chrysanthemum flowers but I could be wrong about that.
I was at a camino talk in our Local Cotswold store in Belfast and they had something for bed bugs. I cant remember the name but I would imagine that if one Cotswold has it then they all have it. Just go in and askHi guys, I'm in the uk and having trouble finding the bed bug spray (permithen, I think). Any ideas where to find this please.
Thanks in advance
Sallyann
I think I bought this from the Internet. Or we are just off J26 of the M5 if you want to spray your clothes
I was at a camino talk in our Local Cotswold store in Belfast and they had something for bed bugs. I cant remember the name but I would imagine that if one Cotswold has it then they all have it. Just go in and ask
Please, not the "el camino", the camino will do. It doesn't need two articles. Also, when using any pesticide, read instructions. It is well known, and labbled, that cats should be kept away from permethryn, and that it should not be poured into the water system either.the El Camino.
One time for lack of any other insecticide available I sprayed Permethrin on some little black ants on my living room carpet. It killed the ants on contact, but my wife's cat had a reaction to the spray, got sick and almost died
We could have a contest!I'm the canary in the cage when it comes to bedbugs.
Count me inWe could have a contest!
... I was bitten again this camino, woke up in a very nice hotel in Ourense with about 8 bites. My companion staying in the same room was not bitten. ...
Hi everyone- I thought I would ask here instead of starting a new post (since many of you already have experience with it). Permethrin: I've read the arguments for or against it, it's efficacy and/or is it a placebo. I hate being bit by bugs (I get nasty infections as a response to spiders and some mosquitoes), so I just don't want to mess around nor take any chances. Whether spraying everything with permethrin is an insurance strategy or an old wives tale... I'm going for it! So my question: WHAT did you spray besides your pack and sleeping bag? I started to go to town tonight -- pack, little pack, travel pillow, hats. Waiting for it to dry on the back porch, I re-read the bottle and caught a sentence I didn't see before (in my defense, the writing is microscopic on the bottle; I had to take my glasses off to read it). "Do not spray on underwear, undergarments, or hats." Uh oh. So, what else do you spray? I was going to douse everything -- shirts, jackets, pants, socks, buffs, etc. Am I going overboard? Or is that a sensible (24) ounces of prevention? Thanks!
I omitted to say I also sprayed my pack thoroughly. Good to know it will kill them over time.Thanks everyone. I was afraid to pose the question last night thinking it might re-start the permethrin vs. none argument that I read in all of the other threads. I appreciate Anamiri and HalfDome's response that you spray and don't have problems. I've already hit my pack, small pack, hats (on accident), and travel pillow. I'm going to follow what HalfDome said and just Rambo everything else I will wear except bras and underwear (since the bottle says not to spray on undergarments). I printed the Yates De-Bed-Bugging resource and gave it to my husband so he's ready when I return in May. I guess I was just wondering how many others spray more than their sleeping bag and liner. I'm going for it... even if it doesn't work for some people. DEET isn't an option for me (thanks for the tip, DaveBugg). See you on the trail next week ~ Buen Camino!
I sprayed mine so much last night, I was afraid it wouldn't dry (it did).I omitted to say I also sprayed my pack thoroughly. Good to know it will kill them over time.
With pack transportation I guess there is a chance of un-infested bags coming into contact with infested ones in the vehicle as they travel, so packs with bedbugs are not only walked to the next destination, but groups of them could be at risk if using transport. I will continue to spray mine.
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