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I assumed RIP, or rest/sleep in peace as in English. Buen Camino!Telluridewalker said:Does anyone know what "S.E.P." stands for on the memorial? I couldn't find it in a web search.
Hallo Mitpilgerer,
ich habe die St. Jakobusbruderschaft in Trier angemailt und die Info weitergegeben, Herr Kress stammte damals aus Trier.
Allzeit Buen Camino, Michael
sillydoll said:Fatma - Jenny sent me the photograph of the broken memorial and asked if I had that one on my list. I remembered the name having recently done a post on memorials for my blog. I compared photographs and saw that his memorial was in good shape two years ago.
So thanks to Jenny as well.
ffp13 said:This topic has reminded me of a question/ thought that I has previously come to mind, especially after seeing a memorial, some as grand as Herr Kress or as simple as Arn Skov Schmidt or the pile of pine cones for a Japanese pilgrim.
The thought /question that came to mind are:
Is their passing acknowledged at the pilgrims mass?
Are they posthumously granted a Compestalla even though the did not complete their pilgrimage ?
Are their memorials like those we see on the roadside for car accident victims, not authorised but tolerated?
I always stop at each memorial, read the details of the pilgrim and notes left by other pilgrims, and share a quiet moment to reflect on their Camino and at the same time my own. For me it is a humbling experience more so than most other experiences I have on My Way.
The pilgrims that unfortunately pass away on the Camino are given thought, respect and prayed for almost everyday of the year. The most that the rest of can hope for when depart is to be remembered on special days of the year eg birthday Christmas etc. and over a few years that starts to fade.
JohnnieWalker said:At the moment there is a campaign to persuade the Cathedral in Santiago to hold a Book of Remembrance into which would be inscribed the names and place of origin of pilgrims who die on the way to Santiago. It is hoped this Book would be on display in a side chapel or in the Corticella, the Pilgrims Chapel, so that relatives and pilgrims could visit and remember in a prayerful space. The Book of Remembrance could also be brought to the High Altar during the annual Mass for the Dead held in the cathedral as well as the Pilgrims' Mass being said in the name of the person who died. However this may take some time to achieve as persuading a medieval cathedral to start something not started in medieval times requires...patience!
Morgen ist Info-Abend und Stammtisch der Jakobusbruderschaft in Trier. Manfred Hess hatte ja wohl Beziehungen zu diesem Umfeld ( die Wiedergründung der Bruderschaft war zum Zeitpunkt seines Todes noch nicht erfolgt).
Ich werde selber nicht teilnehmen können, aber ich habe dem Brudermeister einen entsprechenden link gesandt.
sillydoll said:Johnny, I have seen constructed memorials wherever I have travelled, especially roadside shrines eretced exactly where the person died. We saw them through France when I walked from Paris and all along the Via francigena, hundreds in Greece. Some are just a cross with a name, others are memorial stones and many are little 'altars' with a photograph of the person and space to add flowers.
Roadside memorials are a problem for many countries (just Google Roadside memorials Scotland, or Roadside memorials Ireland) and you'll see that they all face the same problem.
ffp13 said:An interesting concept which I would support, but I am guessing that there are little if any avenues to prosecute such a campaign. Places for remembrance within cathedrals are only available to the rich and powerful not poor insignificant pilgrims.
falcon269 said:I note that the stackers have indulged themselves .
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ffp13 said:...What is the reason if any behind the staking of stones along the Camino? .....is it just another pagan symbol?
I doubt that is the source of stacking along the Camino -- too few Jews, I suspect. More likely the Cruz de Ferro is the inspiration. The symbolism of bringing a stone from home and leaving it at the cross is far different from picking up a piece of road gravel and putting it on a mojone or a vandalized memorial. There are far fewer stacked stones on the other routes (at least the last 100 km of the other routes).Why are stones laid on Jewish graves?
I am not sure about the reason behind this....i thought it had to do with the symbolism of stones lasting forever and that being a better way to remember someone...is there someone with a clear explanation?
It is difficult to know exactly when and why the custom originated and whether it is strictly Jewish. I personally suspect that this custom arose out of the time (possible Roman or earlier) when people - not all Jews - would weigh down the grave or seal the tomb with a stone in order to: (1) prevent anyone including animals from harming the body and (2) prevent an evil spirit from escaping out to harm us.
ffp13 said:What is the reason if any behind the staking of stones along the Camino? I've seen it almost everywhere but I don't understand it, is it just another pagan symbol?
Rebekah Scott said:we reset the stones and put steel rods inside, used silicone pegamento to gom it all together. Engineering, tools, and common sense provided by Bruno, from Albergue San Bruno in Moratinos (who is a mechanical engineer in real life.) Muscle provided by our friend Tyrrek (Keith). I just drove the car, and bossed everyone around.
This project part of the Palencia Camino Cleanup 2012, even though it´s in Leon province...
Rebekah Scott said:I put one stone on, because I am an egotist.
I thought of Falcon when I did it, so maybe it´s OK.
sillydoll said:Wonderful work Reb. I did notice that Santiago has lost it's 'T'. :?
I´d put it the other way round. Santiago is the heart and the Meseta is the soul. That´s where you see the unexpected beauty.Rebekah Scott said:John, IMHO, the meseta is the heart of the camino, as Santiago de Compostela is the soul.
I think Reb knows a good place to go in Sahagun for a ´T´.sillydoll said:Wonderful work Reb.
I did notice that Santiago has lost it's 'T'. :?
Rebekah Scott said:John, IMHO, the meseta is the heart of the camino, as Santiago de Compostela is the soul. You don´t get one without the other. The meseta is a demanding place. It is still, and it demands stillness -- something counterintuitive to many. Its charms are not apparent to the shallow and easily distracted, but it pays back over time, with a Zen intensity.
Reb.
I loved the Meseta and found it very captivating in October. What a beautiful village you live in, Reb. I thought Moratinos and its community were wonderful, but was sorry you were not home when I stopped to say hello. I took a picture of Peaceable Kingdom.Rebekah Scott said:John, IMHO, the meseta is the heart of the camino, as Santiago de Compostela is the soul. You don´t get one without the other. The meseta is a demanding place. It is still, and it demands stillness -- something counterintuitive to many. Its charms are not apparent to the shallow and easily distracted, but it pays back over time, with a Zen intensity.
I am not the spirit of anything but me. I am lucky enough to do the things any of you would do if you lived here and had the same opportunities.
Reb.
Rebekah Scott said:I daresay old Manfred gets a lot more said for his soul than he would´ve back in a cemetery in Trier. ]
Yes right. I always say a little prayer for the fallen pilgs. It was great that an American, Italian and a Scot were repairing a German memorial in Spain. That's the Camino we love. Buen Camino!FatmaG said:You must be pretty right, Rebekah.
However, it is great that you take care, not only of passing pilgrims but also of those passed by...
I posted your message on the German board.
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