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Hi Em!emmjayh03 said:Hi All - Thankyou for all your replies... Its much appreciated
I hope I have not given the impression that i perhaps cant afford albergues.. this is not the case. From what Ive read, Albergues are wonderfully cheap and very accomodating. And we do hope to stay in a few along the way.. When camping -We would never camp somewhere illegal, or be disrespectful to the outdoors by littering or lying on farmers crop.
falcon269 said:There are a lot of threads in this Forum asking about camping. Generally, though, very few camp. Most who carry a tent regret it. Accommodations are plentiful and inexpensive. Camping is restricted to authorized campsites. You probably cannot just stop and camp when you want. Private and public land both have camping restrictions. Getting permission requires some skill in Spanish. Spain is having a drought. Open fires are prohibited. Cooking and washing are a problem if you camp, and clean water sources are infrequent for campers. Albergues may permit you to use their shower facilities, but probably not for free; they may have space for a tent, but it probably won't be free either. When it rains, it may be days between opportunities to dry a tent.
Pilgrims generally are guests in Spain. The hosts have asked that campers use campgrounds and not "stealth camp." I personally find it curious that the suggestion is to ignore the expressed wishes of Spain, and simply do what we want. One may not like the rules, but the correct response if you do not like the rules, to me, is to stay out of Spain. Do we really need to travel thousands of miles to be self-centered and self-indulgent? I know I can do that at home!I would definitely carry the tent and try stealth camping.
I totally agree with Falcon! Annefalcon269 said:Pilgrims generally are guests in Spain. The hosts have asked that campers use campgrounds and not "stealth camp." I personally find it curious that the suggestion is to ignore the expressed wishes of Spain, and simply do what we want. One may not like the rules, but the correct response if you do not like the rules, to me, is to stay out of Spain. Do we really need to travel thousands of miles to be self-centered and self-indulgent? I know I can do that at home!I would definitely carry the tent and try stealth camping.
JohnnieWalker said:I doubt the sources of some of this advice, although it is common sense that people should not camp where they would cause offence or disruption.
As far as I know it is simply another camino myth that it is illegal to wild camp in Spain and whilst I stand to be corrected I believe there to be no national law against this kind of camping. Rather the power to make such laws or regulations is devolved to local authorities often down to local town councils or concellos. As with many other aspects of life one local area can vary considerably from the another. Spain is in this regard not so different from the UK or other European countries - indeed some might say that its laws of trespass are generally considerably more liberal. Therefore as far as camping is concerned is no such thing as the "expressed wishes of Spain".
I think it is also incorrect to simply view this issue only in the context of the Camino Frances - there are many other routes to Compostela and on many of these camping may very well be a solution for some to the lack of albergues or long etapas.
There is a difference between it being sensible to camp and it being illegal to do so. People have camped or slept out along the camino routes for centuries. They will continue to do so despite what the censorious voices may say. In all cases the rules of the countryside should be observed. I have never heard of any pilgrim being arrested or having been accused of committing a crime because they camped or slept out - although I suspect that there have been times when the police or landowners have asked pilgrims doing so to move on.
Whether it is sensible to carry a tent and camp out is another matter and the arguments against in terms of carrying the additional weight of the tent, the availability of water, cooking facilities and showers have already been addressed. Accommodation of all types is available on most of the routes. Although I spent many happy years camping in the UK and abroad in my youth nowadays I wouldn't carry a tent and the rest of the gear if you paid me!
From a forum.once while wild camping in the Basque region of Spain I was awoken early in the morning by a pistol being pointed at my head and being shouted at allot !
After being sat in a stress position in my pants with by the way my balls spilling out down my leg but I did not want to remove my hands from my head in case they thought I was going for my "lethal weapon" !!!!!
after a while and a thorough search ! I managed to convince the 10 police /military that I was not anything to do with any terrorist group and yes actually we were just some drunk Englishman camping in the middle of nowhere !
and the pistol they had seen us with hours earlier was a water pistol and was on the floor over there !
After a lengthy discussion they said will you just feck off then I said of course we will !!!!
one of life's strange turns.
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falcon269 said:Pilgrims generally are guests in Spain. The hosts have asked that campers use campgrounds and not "stealth camp." I personally find it curious that the suggestion is to ignore the expressed wishes of Spain, and simply do what we want. One may not like the rules, but the correct response if you do not like the rules, to me, is to stay out of Spain. Do we really need to travel thousands of miles to be self-centered and self-indulgent? I know I can do that at home!I would definitely carry the tent and try stealth camping.
Article 46. - Camping traveling.
Itinerant camping is considered that, while respecting property rights and land use takes place outside of the tourist camps or camping areas for groups consisting of up to 3 stores and 9 people, with a stay in the place no more than two nights. The minimum distance between groups is 1 km.
There may be a camping traveling less than 5 kms. a campsite or campground, or less than 1 km. urban centers, public places or areas usually crowded, and less than one hundred meters from the banks of a river or a road, although in this latter limitation is allowed except for disabled people.
It is absolutely prohibited the lighting of fires outside the places provided for this purpose. The relevant authorization shall be required of the owner of land on which to settle. His absence will mean the immediate lifting of the camp.
The campers will be responsible for the deterioration and abandoned waste produced, facts will be punished according to the applicable legislation.
The residues from the camping activity for the campers will be transported to disposal in landfills or disposed containers specifically for this purpose.
These hygiene standards are extended to all forms of camping.
I put that in BabelFish and it was translated as, "Do what you want, but avoid getting caught." :mrgreen:But basically it means pitching the tent in a discreet location late at night and removing it very early in the morning with the objective of leaving the site in exactly the same condition it was before the tent and person was there.
falcon269 said:I put that in BabelFish and it was translated as, "Do what you want, but avoid getting caught." :mrgreen:But basically it means pitching the tent in a discreet location late at night and removing it very early in the morning with the objective of leaving the site in exactly the same condition it was before the tent and person was there.
But they are making up the rules from their point of view! Virtually all "wild camping" violates the rules and regulations of various Spanish governments. It is the height of being self-centered -- the rules I make are the only ones that count. You keep putting lipstick on the pig (humor, not offense, intended)!wild campers operate to rules - such as pitch late, arrive early, leave the site as you found it with the exception that you should remove your own and other people's litter - the rule is do not disrupt the site or the lives of others.
falcon269 said:-But they are making up the rules from their point of view! Virtually all "wild camping" violates the rules and regulations of various Spanish government..
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