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I was simply providing some factual information about what "state of alarm" for Madrid means in the current context
As far as I understand it, all this does not directly affect anyone travelling through Barajas airport during the next two weeks but I am not certain.
144,115 positive PCR tests is FAR FAR less alarming than so many people actually ill with the disease would be.
By at least two orders of magnitude, if not three.
PCR tests are a basically useless tool for the detection of active viral infections.
So PCR tests are of no value in detecting "active viral infections"?
The reference is actually calling for more studies to correlate PCR results with viral culture though on a research basis rather than mass testing.
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And so we really do appeal to all world leaders: Stop using lockdown as your primary control method
My emphasis in red bold....submitted without further comment.
Excellent comment ☺.NZ used nationally coordinated lockdowns as their primary weapon against Covid. Offered without further comment.
And nobody won!31,000 Kiwis, no masks, no social distancing, many yelling loudly, safely watched a Rugby match against Australia yesterday.
You took the words out of my keyboard, @VNwalking. I don't want to overstate the obvious but it cannot surprise anyone that posting about the usefulness or non-usefulness of lockdowns on this forum isn't going to wipe out the national lockdown that Spain experienced in March/April/May nor it is going to make the current restrictions on mobility disappear that have been implemented in Madrid and Leon and other towns or regions in Spain.So arguing against lockdowns if you think they don't work (or have too high of a social cost) is a waste of breath, because that is what is happening.
I might I might add the suggestion to consider if your post applies specifically to the Camino. Generic arguments for or against lockdowns are actually a waste of our collective time and energy, regardless of which side of the argument we stand.And it IS political
Please pause and think before you choose a video for your posts on this forum.
On the subject of testing. this interview is enlightening... Harvard professor highlights the need for rapid testing that is both cheap and effective - that could result in a drop of cases within weeksWell this is totally not camino related. But it’s happening right here in my town and is extremely depressing. Scientists at my university developed a rapid saliva test. They developed a model, an app, a program to test everyone twice a week (no university access without a screen shot of a negative test), 20 tents on campus for testing 7 days a week. This is a big deal on a campus with 60,000 students. They thought they had thought of everything. The students came back, they started testing. But we have an unexpected big spike, and people are nervous.
Today the computer scientists and others who developed the model explained the model’s flaw. They had accurately predicted the large numbers of students who would test positive, but what they hadn’t factored into their model was the number of students who have tested positive and have totally ignored all the required steps of quarantine, gone to large parties, etc. Instead, they assumed that once diagnosed, the students would follow the rules. Silly them.
I am not sure what the lessons are here, but it does suggest that we cannot rely on voluntary compliance to stop the spread.
NZ used nationally coordinated lockdowns as their primary weapon against Covid.
with all respect and without wanting to be offensive, @VNwalking , after 8 chapters of this thread, plus the one on covid-related math, where we talked about everything ... but absolutely everything ... I would say that your request is not consistent .Can we please get back to the talking about covid-19 as it relates to the Camino?
Not good news. I hope peregrin@s are getting a heads-up.There is a semi-lockdown in Navarre, for 15 days. Bar and Restaurants must close by 10PM, and no social gatherings of more than 6 people are permitted.
No offense taken @Jomas.
And you're quite right about how widely ranging these conversations have been—and I've been as guilty as anyone. I guess I'm just getting weary of the endless discussions/arguments about things that actually have very little to do with the Camino.
When this thread series started we knew little about the virus and the disease and there were very few online sources so it made sense then to exchange what little information we could find. But now? For example, today I googled "rapid test" "Covid 19". Google came up with 18.700.000 results.actually I have the same feeling as you .... but I must say that sometimes it is useful to read the comments and the published sources I find it interesting. In the middle of everything there is always a link to the "camino" ... at least I think so.
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