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In absence of any alternative proof of vaccination, the WHO certificate is absolutely valid. As however, the EU including Switzerland is currently hastily working on a digital green certificate and such will certainly become the prime "passport" to prove vaccination, when it has been introduced; but this is only the case for EU citizens.I think that the WHO yellow passport will be worthless for travelling to Spain. I won't even take mine with me when I get my Covid-19 jab. Plus, there've been news reports recently that faked WHO yellow passports are illegally available for € 125. The digital certificates would be much harder to fake, I guess. This, and the fact that they can be scanned and read automatically are in their favour.
El Pais had yet another article (in English) about the "Digital Green Certificate" that will become available in June at the earliest. The advantage for travellers, according to the Spanish Minister for Health, will be twofold: it will allow citizens of Europe to enter Spain without having to quarantine or take a coronavirus test. IOW, a digital green certificate will save you hassle, time and money when travelling to Spain.
I thought I had made it clear in my post that I was referring only to the current PCR entry requirement (including other accepted test methods) that Spain has established, not about any other country. I have an interest in this as I am thinking on and off of travelling to Spain this year and I follow developments carefully.posting pure guesswork in this forum
In my opinion, there is really almost no way to avoid confusion this past year on all things related to Covid-19 and how to avoid contracting it, including government Lockdowns, the experimental vaccines, and now adding in the special passports.To avoid confusion:
If you expect simple black-and-white unchanging answers, you will be confused by the reality that our knowledge is limited. We need to act on the best knowledge available, from the most qualified sources available.In my opinion, there is really almost no way to avoid confusion this past year on all things related to Covid-19 and how to avoid contracting it, including government Lockdowns, the experimental vaccines, and now adding in the special passports.
Erm ... a better term would be novel vaccines perhaps as the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna technique is fairly new (mRNA); all the other Covid-19 vaccines that have been developed so far are more conventional. Remember that there is a larger range of vaccines in use in the UK, Hungary, China, Russia, and many other countries, than the two vaccines used in the USA ... BTW, the EU's (see thread topic ...) EMA did not go for emergency use authorisation. They opted for their conditional marketing authorisation approach. It sounds less dramatic.the vaccines are not yet FDA(Food and Drug Administration) approved as far as I can tell...they are only AEU by the FDA for now; Authorized for Emergency Use. I am not saying they have no benefit and I do plan to be vaccinated.
I definitely agree on a vaccine passport many disagree, well if you are not willing to be vaccinated then you could be a risk to others. all for vaccine passport.I think that the idea of a vaccine passport may be a good idea, but is fraught with problems. The first of which is fairness while the vaccine is still in short supply.
Vaccination and vaccination passports are two totally different things. The concerns about vaccination passports are related to concerns about the protection of private data and the fear that they might be used as a means to exclude people from various activities. The first aspect (data protection and security) is a high priority for EU countries and the second aspect is irrelevant as the EU DGC will not be used to exclude people from travelling. It is not even a vaccination passport. It will contain information about vaccination (if taken) and/or about the result of recent PCR test or similar test (if required for travelling) and/or a recent Covid-19 infection (within less than 6 months).I definitely agree on a vaccine passport many disagree, well if you are not willing to be vaccinated then you could be a risk to others. all for vaccine passport.
You don't have to worry about the EU DGC certificates as they are only for EU citizens and residents or are you worrying on our behalf?Big brother is watching aspect of Covid passports is unnerving me. I neither like or trust it. Too much control of the many by the few.
I wouldn't equate Emergency use with Experimental. They are not synonyms.I agree, @C clearly, yet my intent was not to sow any discord, but only sharing my personal frustration and opinion at the continually changing information.
When I said experimental, I only used the word because for now the vaccines are not yet FDA(Food and Drug Administration) approved as far as I can tell...they are only AEU by the FDA for now; Authorized for Emergency Use. I am not saying they have no benefit and I do plan to be vaccinated.
You can check the FDA's website.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepa...virus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines
Including is this page I have copied from their website from this April. I will not comment nor debate further.
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You make a very good point, @trecile!I wouldn't equate Emergency use with Experimental. They are not synonyms.
No problem. Am happy not to be an EU member, just associated, with some benefits, but several disadvantages. But end of politics.PS: Apologies to @alexwalker. Each time I write "EU" I have a bad conscience.
You don't have to worry about the EU DGC certificates as they are only for EU citizens and residents or are you worrying on our behalf?The certificates are not obligatory.
PS: Apologies to @alexwalker. Each time I write "EU" I have a bad conscience. I try to keep it short and simple. Otherwise I would have to explicitly include Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland; exclude Denmark who can decide within 6 months whether they want to participate or not; exclude Ireland where I have no idea what they will be doing.
True. But the level of data protection are not the same everywhere, and neither is the technology that is being used.The Covid passports are being rolled out all over the world.
True. But the level of data protection are not the same everywhere, and neither is the technology that is being used.
You mean to say that you worry about all the systems and technologies of all the "vaccination passports" in all the countries of the world? Wow. I'am a lot more selective with the stuff I am worrying about.My point exactly.
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